Topic: Is this Satoshi? Did he sign that message? - page 3. (Read 1255 times)

No, this 'NFT' is a bit different but it works. Again, read the 'how it works' https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/old-bitcoin-addresses-as-nft-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-signature-chain-5425241
The idea behind that is a 'signature transfer chain' that can only work if the private key holder/owner of the initial address signs a 'transfer message'.
Thereafter the initial owner can't sign a valid transfer message (we won't accept it as valid) as the 'transfer transaction' to the new owner will indicate the transfer of ownership.
So there will be exactly one owner at a given time who owns it and can transfer it.

the quote in that topic post says about turn THAT ADDRESS into an NFT and SELL IT

meaning you selling the privkey to the 2009 address..

but you dont want to. and if you could you cant do that.. so game over its not an NFT system
thinking someones  random address created in 2022 thats mentioned in some love letter chain thats leads back to some celebrity autograph has value.. has no value

please check the project 'how it works'
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/old-bitcoin-addresses-as-nft-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-signature-chain-5425241
updated it
it works

but the new owner. does not own the original address AS YOU CLEARLY SAY

so here is a thing that you should learn. "not your key not your asset"

because you cannot ensure only the new owner has the key to the original item. means that buyer does not own the original item

you are not inventing a NFT system of owning the original item and transfering ownership of that item.. .. you not even inventing an autograph system where people own autograph's of celebrity /historic item..
the autographs are not the original. nor signed by the original signer

its like if someone owns an elvis autograph including the pen that signed it.. pretending it proves they are elvis.
but they are not selling that autograph or selling elvis's pen

they are letting the buyer write his own signatures that are not even any longer saying "elvis" in the scribbles

plus there is no way to limit who and how many you sell a autograph YOU created

thus VALUELESS

what you are creating is a "chain love letter" system

elvis wrote in 1969 "i love casinos" signed ELVIS
casinos wrote in 2022 "i love onesigcasinos" signed casons

the signature or ability to sign onesig now has.. has no value. as it has nothing controlling/ownership of anything elvis

No, the holder/owner of the private key will not sell their private key or give it to someone else.

The ownership transfer will work through a 'transfer signature' that will be signed by the holder/owner of the address.
The message in the signature will contain the address of the new owner, but the new owner won't have the private key of the old owner's address.

Started a new thread
old Bitcoin addresses as 'NFT' on the Bitcoin blockchain
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/old-bitcoin-addresses-as-nft-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-signature-chain-5425241

franky1, give it time. Then you will know that it is a 'good' project.

btw, you did forget that I'm also user yhiaali3 who suggested to make NFTs out of it  


I'm not.

in the original topic.. it was casinotester that started that other topic.

his game is he likes to BUY old addresses(used private keys).

general opinion is he wanted people to publish so that he can seek them out to buy those private keys from them..

so now he is trying to be subtle about converting them into some NFT thing. which basically means he then wants to sell those privkeys to someone else..

in short he is a private key broker

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here is the problem selling a private key is the same as giving more people access to the private key.

NFT dont work that way

the (hash) of an NFT is transfered to different peoples key. so that no one has access to the private keys thus there is no spread of key holders.

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what casino wants to do however. is sell you a private key.. knowing he gets to keep the key to sell it again to someone else so that more people all use the key and no one really owns the it out-right because too many people have access to sign with it

as for the other usernam "one signature" i believe that its an alt account of casino tester. and he bought a private key previously and is just showing off a signature to spark social drama/gossip for free advertising in the hope others would have also signed and published so he can sales call on those people

It's not about finding Satoshi. The question came up as the (OP) mentioned signature has been created with a very old key that has been used in January 2009. Now there is a new theory that they are testing an 'NFT' like ownership transfer of old (empty) Bitcoin addresses.

I am not sure why there is much urge about finding Satoshi at all? He literally invented the whole blockchain thingie so that he can live in peace without any disturbance from the worlds centralised banking system. He might be thinking right now "What I have done?" sitting in the park and watching hundreds of news in the new paper about people claiming they are satoshi and about the news where there is hunt for Mr. Satoshi.

Oh man, poor he!! By creating such discussion we are actually disrupting the whole meaning of privacy for Satoshi.

FYI, who knows he might be still active and reading the threads anonymously / as guest just to keep safe distance. Lolz.

Can you generate a legacy Bitcoin address (starting with 1..) and post it here? I want to try this 'NFT' idea with old Bitcoin addresses. 

Is possible too, and they're creating a new market.

Is that the ownership transfer of such signatures? (signature chain)

Someone may want to convert old BTC addresses into NFT and sell them for large amounts later, this idea may achieve great profits after 10 years have passed, as these old addresses become of archaeological value as they are old Bitcoin addresses.
In this case, it does not matter whether you own the private key or not, because this address will not be used to send or receive bitcoins, but only as an NFT.

But don't do this with the private key/signature of the OP mentioned address.

These in Januray 2009 mined coins were transferred in 2011 (txid 567a9a7f9191db644a09985fad113dd6ee770eac69454317430e694305be9c56) with several other very early mined coins. So whoever created that transaction, has the private keys of other very early addresses too. And some addresses you can find here:



source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/25/satoshi-nakamotos-neighbor-the-bitcoin-ghostwriter-who-wasnt/


Who can explain?  

I'd tell them screenshots can be faked, and prove nothing. Instead, I'd send them a signed message, printed on paper for their inconvenience.

My oldest transaction is from 7.5 years ago. And I'm not going to dig up old backups of Android Bitcoin Wallet (Schildbach) to find the exact transaction.

Yes, could be. But in this case we have a very old address, maybe the oldest. LoyceV, you are an experienced bitcointalk member. What was the oldest signature you've seen?

Looks like I am one of those who fell for the clickbait 

That part about taxes is not very logical to me[/quote]

This finally makes sense to me as I was wondering why anyone would want to buy a wallet they can't use other than to sign messages or stupidly keep funds the original owner can access.

I don't know if proving it came from capital gains will require this kind of proof though, most bankers will still ask for screenshots of transactions from your email or exchange in those dates, not signing. I say this from exchange requests asking to show where it came from.

It's not perfect, but I don't have a better explanation either.

"Well, this is how the story went: I sold it for Monero back in 2014, and recently bought Bitcoin again. That guy who bought the address on Bitcointalk isn't me, I'm the one who sold it. After all, that's not illegal, right?".....
If this story works? Who knows. But it sounds better than: "Well, you're right, I'm a hardened criminal who belongs in jail".....

For example to claim other coins.

But in our case here, it has nothing to do with claims. This pivate key that has been used to sign that massage is one of the oldest, maybe the oldest that exist.

Why would anyone want to buy a bitcoin address?

If I have the private key, I can empty the account before giving it to someone.  If I don't, I cannot do anything with it but look at its transaction history.
Edit:  And send coins there.

I am not sure.


Maybe true and nobody else can sign with a key of an older address. This would be true if they own all older keys.

Yes, I didn't get that too. But read this thread: Who has/had the oldest mined Bitcoin? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-hashad-the-oldest-mined-bitcoin-5421158 ... it's getting interesting