Is this Satoshi? Did he sign that message? - page 4.

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Quote from: ColorlessK on December 02, 2022, 04:06:59 PM

Guys did seriously no one notice that the guy you're talking about went and signed yet another message within this thread?

I noticed. I don't know what the significance is, though.

It doesn't prove much except that OneSignature was able to obtain (or create) two signed messages, and that the signer of the first message was aware of the address used to sign the second.

It would not be unreasonable to assume that OneSignature mined block 1018 (as well as many others) unless something important is at stake, but that does not make them Satoshi.

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Guys did seriously no one notice that the guy you're talking about went and signed yet another message within this thread?

Quote from: OneSignature on November 27, 2022, 08:30:19 PM

Quote from: OneSignature on November 26, 2022, 06:23:02 PM

This is the oldest signature

(please post if you have a signature with an older address)

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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
1E9YwDtYf9R29ekNAfbV7MvB4LNv7v3fGa
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1NChfewU45oy7Dgn51HwkBFSixaTnyakfj
HCsBcgB+Wcm8kOGMH8IpNeg0H4gjCrlqwDf/GlSXphZGBYxm0QkKEPhh9DTJRp2IDNUhVr0FhP9qCqo2W0recNM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
1KN59gRxD8G9g9smSLTFt9aSgWxYxTzFL7
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1E9YwDtYf9R29ekNAfbV7MvB4LNv7v3fGa
HwvtQmiREYIyZeI9uohqr82d9eiwtcBgbhG5+VR7+ouEDOTgd6EYvcgNQVELLVJnQbYhN6SSv1xPtQ8SmIa10+U=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 29, 2022, 03:28:30 AM

For the buyers, I always assume it has to do with taxes. "Proving" you owned Bitcoins a long time ago, and your current riches really came from capital gains and not crime. Or just bragging rights, but it seems like cheating if you bought the empty address.

That part about taxes is not very logical to me, unless the tax office is very inexperienced and naive to believe such a story. If I sign a message from a BTC address that is, say, from 2012 and show it as proof to my tax office, if someone there is intelligent, they will look for a history of transactions that will connect the sold BTC with that address - or they will ask me to transfer part of the funds to that address. That would not be very smart, because those who sell such old private keys surely try to sell the same key more than once, which can put the owners in very unpleasant situations.

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 29, 2022, 03:28:30 AM

Quote from: AncientAddressKeeper on November 28, 2022, 08:20:37 PM

Message:
who sells for 1,000 $ their old empty address (block 1 - 2000)?
validity: 29/Nov/2022 - 01/Dec/2022 0000 UTC

Address:
1FxoVMjdp6ey3wzU7E9ddrFjYhLwZm3QWk

Signature:
IJ6Mypx8nYHOl1CLFKCiLGjANS3L1PuJaVVkS0ydxSh0a+K2pK7RsDockbbeyNlWWdly6SzIOXXKbrBjbRVuvyA=

That's not an old address. Are you using this thread for advertising? If so, you should post in Digital Goods.

Maybe it's just to show here that nobody will answer and sell a very old address/key.

5 years ago someone wanted to buy old addresses/keys (older than 2015) and got offers but none from 2009-2010:

Quote from: CheapVccSeller on November 20, 2017, 06:21:05 PM

Wanting To Buy Old Bitcoin Addresses ( $5 Per Address)

Must be made before 2015. Doesn't need any balance in it.
Paying $5 per address can pay through btc/eth/paypal
I'm also open to using escrow if you'd like.
I'm a collector of old btc addresses

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Quote from: casinotester0001 on November 28, 2022, 07:33:05 AM

I don't think that the address/key was sold/bought because there's no reason for these first miners to do it.

Not all early miners are rich by now, so if you hold some old (and by now useless) private keys, an offer could be attractive.
For the buyers, I always assume it has to do with taxes. "Proving" you owned Bitcoins a long time ago, and your current riches really came from capital gains and not crime. Or just bragging rights, but it seems like cheating if you bought the empty address.

Quote from: AncientAddressKeeper on November 28, 2022, 08:20:37 PM

Message:
who sells for 1,000 $ their old empty address (block 1 - 2000)?
validity: 29/Nov/2022 - 01/Dec/2022 0000 UTC

Address:
1FxoVMjdp6ey3wzU7E9ddrFjYhLwZm3QWk

Signature:
IJ6Mypx8nYHOl1CLFKCiLGjANS3L1PuJaVVkS0ydxSh0a+K2pK7RsDockbbeyNlWWdly6SzIOXXKbrBjbRVuvyA=

That's not an old address. Are you using this thread for advertising? If so, you should post in Digital Goods.

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Quote from: mynonce on November 27, 2022, 03:07:58 PM

And this address is not old, it is veryveryold. How many people mined 2 weeks after Bitcoin was released? I expected that Satoshi had the most mined blocks, so it would be very likely that it is Satoshi. Do you think that this miner sold his address now, 13 years later? And I don't think that Satoshi would sell addresses.

Many people. But most early bitcoiners aren't out shouting from the roofs and courting inviting kidnappers or frivolous legal attacks. Most people with access to very old keys aren't blowing that access on silly Bitcoin talk bragging threads. Just thinking anything very earlier in Bitcoin is related to Satoshi is a profound failure of both imagination and research.

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Quote from: AncientAddressKeeper on November 28, 2022, 08:20:37 PM

Message:
who sells for 1,000 $ their old empty address

Maybe they were not interested anymore and wanted to get few bucks by selling it? And you would already know that some degens here do buy worthless nfts for millions of dollars so one of them must have also bought the old address for their own fun, so they can troll others they are the brother/friend of satoshi lol..

Quote from: AncientAddressKeeper on November 28, 2022, 08:20:37 PM

Message:
who sells for 1,000 $ their old empty address (block 1 - 2000)?
validity: 29/Nov/2022 - 01/Dec/2022 0000 UTC

Address:
1FxoVMjdp6ey3wzU7E9ddrFjYhLwZm3QWk

Signature:
IJ6Mypx8nYHOl1CLFKCiLGjANS3L1PuJaVVkS0ydxSh0a+K2pK7RsDockbbeyNlWWdly6SzIOXXKbrBjbRVuvyA=

Signature verified! Your wallet got 0.1 BTC final balance, Are you selling your keys too? (just joking ,lmao)

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Quote from: gmaxwell on November 27, 2022, 02:47:36 PM

Many old keys have been sold or leaked, particularly once they've become worthless.

Message:
who sells for 1,000 $ their old empty address (block 1 - 2000)?
validity: 29/Nov/2022 - 01/Dec/2022 0000 UTC

Address:
1FxoVMjdp6ey3wzU7E9ddrFjYhLwZm3QWk

Signature:
IJ6Mypx8nYHOl1CLFKCiLGjANS3L1PuJaVVkS0ydxSh0a+K2pK7RsDockbbeyNlWWdly6SzIOXXKbrBjbRVuvyA=

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Quote from: gmaxwell on November 27, 2022, 02:47:36 PM

That message signing protocol wasn't invented back then so it couldn't have been signed then.

That means somebody still has the private key and can sign messages. The post above proves that too. But it is amazing that it is a January-2009 address/key. If someone can post a signature with an old key (block 1 - 2000) that's great. I don't think that the address/key was sold/bought because there's no reason for these first miners to do it.

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Quote from: OneSignature on November 26, 2022, 06:23:02 PM

This is the oldest signature

(please post if you have a signature with an older address)

Quote

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
1E9YwDtYf9R29ekNAfbV7MvB4LNv7v3fGa
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1NChfewU45oy7Dgn51HwkBFSixaTnyakfj
HCsBcgB+Wcm8kOGMH8IpNeg0H4gjCrlqwDf/GlSXphZGBYxm0QkKEPhh9DTJRp2IDNUhVr0FhP9qCqo2W0recNM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

signature chain

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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
1KN59gRxD8G9g9smSLTFt9aSgWxYxTzFL7
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1E9YwDtYf9R29ekNAfbV7MvB4LNv7v3fGa
HwvtQmiREYIyZeI9uohqr82d9eiwtcBgbhG5+VR7+ouEDOTgd6EYvcgNQVELLVJnQbYhN6SSv1xPtQ8SmIa10+U=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

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Quote from: gmaxwell on November 27, 2022, 02:47:36 PM

Many old keys have been sold or leaked, particularly once they've become worthless.

Yes, there are threads selling old addresses, especially 2013-2014 addresses.
People buying old Bitcoin wallet addresses https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/people-buying-old-bitcoin-wallet-addresses-2893269
Wanting To Buy Old Bitcoin Addresses https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wanting-to-buy-old-bitcoin-addresses-5-per-address-2433836
Looking to buy old and empty Bitcoin wallet address'es https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/looking-to-buy-old-and-empty-bitcoin-wallet-addresses-5168025
Selling old bitcoin wallet https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-old-bitcoin-wallet-5123987
Buying old BTC, LTC and DOGE wallets! https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-buying-old-btc-ltc-and-doge-wallets-automated-site-freebitcoinscom-1177746

But no 2009-2010 addresses found.

And this address is not old, it is veryveryold. How many people mined 2 weeks after Bitcoin was released? I expected that Satoshi had the most mined blocks, so it would be very likely that it is Satoshi. Do you think that this miner sold his address now, 13 years later? And I don't think that Satoshi would sell addresses.

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That message signing protocol wasn't invented back then so it couldn't have been signed then.

Many old keys have been sold or leaked, particularly once they've become worthless. There have been numerous threads on BCT offering to buy old keys. That address was swept in 2011, somewhat after signmessage was created.

I wouldn't make a substantial bet on the author of the signmessage being the miner of the block.

Invoking "satoshi" is just clickbait, shame on you.

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In this thread "Who has/had the oldest mined Bitcoin?" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/who-hashad-the-oldest-mined-bitcoin-5421158 someone posted that signature:

Quote from: pooya87 on November 26, 2022, 11:50:09 PM

The message contains an unused address. However the signature verifies against pubkey used in 1NChfewU45oy7Dgn51HwkBFSixaTnyakfj which is a used address that received reward for block 1018.

As signatures don't have timestamps, it is possible that this signature was created back then. I searched the net the whole day, couldn't find an answer. I know someone posted here on bitcointalk years ago, that he mined block ~2000-3000 and that was the oldest mined block mentioned here.

The signature above was created with an older key (address was used in January 2009). Could it be Satoshi? Did he sign that message?

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