Topic: Is this user cheating coinomat ? - page 2. (Read 2580 times)

I'm quite surprised that their bot counts the markup nodes as text.  That seems quite broken.  Are you use this person is actually getting paid for these posts with extra markup?

Omkifuse is going to end up ruining his ability to participate in ad-campaigns if he keeps it up---and a hero account at that, no less?!

Seriously what the fuck? People is fucking desperate, then again this wouldnt happen so often if the managers did their job and the 75 characters restriction is stupid, his posts are trash anyways, he should have been kicked for that long ago

Well it looks like there is another person cheating the campaign and making the forum shitty

unbelievable. looks like even [siz3=10pt]insert whatever here[/siz3] <-- will work

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11707478
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11707368

try quoting those posts

It's hard to understand you completely, but there were several messages you never replied to going back a couple of weeks. You replied very late to the users abusing your campaign and in the meantime the others continued to post rubbish and some are still seemingly getting paid.


You may or may not have a campaign manager, but if you do then they're not doing a very good job and/or are not very active.


When you don't respond to my messages it looks like you either don't care or are too busy to act swiftly and appropriately. If you cared you would get on top of it. Having users spam looks bad for your business, reputation, and most importantly has a very negative effect on this forum.


Yes, they might not exist for long but they exist a lot longer when there's an unresponsive campaign manager and they shit all over the forum in the days it takes you to respond. If you were keeping an eye on your campaign you would likely be the first person to spot abuse.


I'm not so sure about that. I could probably find plenty of users right now that are still getting paid for poor quality posts.


That's great and all, but friends don't cheat or abuse their friends. If you're glad to be a part of the community do your bit to help it get better. Signature spam is a real problem and it's the campaign managers fault because you are actively encouraging people to spam by paying for posts with no quality control or consequences for spamming. When a user realises he can get a way with making poor posts what do you think happens? Their posts get worse and the quantity goes up and you keep paying them for it.


That's all arguable. It seems very easy to cheat your campaign actually.


I'm glad they are, but that doesn't mean you should be relying on others to do your job for you. You are very slow to respond to warnings of spammers and troublemakers and I know this first hand, not to mention other users have said the same thing after they reported users to you.


He's probably banned, though his abuse is harder to verify for certain. Although it's likely he is trying to cheat, it's impossible to say for sure.


Some jobs are hard and require you to actually put in the work. If you're not willing to do it yourself either hire someone, cut your campaign down to a manageable size or cease your signature campaign altogether. You could purchase forum ad slots if you wish. Running a signature campaign is hard work if done properly, but people like guitarplinker do it right. If you're worried about multiple languages don't pay people for posts in local boards.


9/10 they will get caught eventually and likely ruin or have their account banned all together, but it doesn't stop people trying and shitting up the forum in the meantime. People are getting sneakier at cheating as well in multiple ways, especially by copying and pasting relevant responses from google or earlier on in the thread. These are harder to spot but they're getting more common.


That's arguable. They have had cheaters and they still have a lot of shitposters but most people are moving from bitmixer to others though because other campaigns pay a lot more.


Agreed. There are plenty of people who would look after the campaign and actually do what a campaign manager should do (myself included). It would be better to kick spammers off your campaign and get it down to a manageable level and use the money saved to pay a campaign manager than just let it run wild. Most will do it for 0.1 a month but bigger campaigns should get paid more than that.

I see, well now that you responded to the thread and i dont know if you allowed to tell but i noticed the user has not connected in 3 days, did he got banned?

That's why use bot for manage a SIG campaign is more lack than using humans, two humans is better for manage although must pay more.

Sig campaigns are a service, asking if someone is defrauding a service=service discussion, or maybe scam accusations if it were a statement. Doesn't have much to do with the forum itself.

Most campaigns only allow english language and i can tell you that some of them like bit mixer have really good managers and they never had problems with their users, there is people who have time to search trough all posts if he is hired to do it(campaign manager) if they cant hire a manager and they dont have time to do it themselves then they shouldnt start a campaign

Edit: why the fuck is this on service discussion?

The thing is that people who do this aren't really going to last long at it.  Sooner or later someone is going to hit "quote" and then "WTF are all these images?" and then busted.  And then you're going to be in a lot of shit because you're clearly trying to game the system.  It's really pretty foolish, IMO.  I mean you may get away with this silliness for a little bit of time but in the long run it's clear that it's going to cost you a lot when you consider all you could have made by not getting negative trust and removed from the campaign and labelled as a cheater.

Any technique that relies on putting weird stuff into a post so that a bot will read it is going to fail in this way as soon as someone clicks the quote button.

commencing Image test




edit:

yup, it does count. and url does get counted too

btw is it just me or did this thread got tossed around all over the forum? 

As I understand it, both the Bitmixer bot and marcotheminer's bot are already able to distinguish text in quote boxes from normal text. With just a few modifications, it should be possible to change it so that it automatically ignores all text that isn't clearly visible. For instance, text that is under a specific size should not counted, as well as spaces over a certain length. I'm not sure if there are any other tricks that could be used other from those two (e.g. there doesn't seem to be a way to change the font color to one that is invisible or to hide text behind a picture).

EDIT: Are embedded images also counted as characters? How about URLs? If they are counted then it's possible that someone could insert 1x1 pixel images or single character hyperlinks to their posts to make it look as though it's longer than it actually is.


The rules for the Coinomat campaign were directly copied from/inspired by Bitmixer's rules which I agree has worked well so far.

However, Bitmixer's campaign has a lower payrate (except for full members), a lower maximum post limit (50 posts), and doesn't count posts made in the alternate cryptocurrencies and games & rounds sections (in addition to the off-topic section) so it's possible that spammers might find the campaign to be less appealing.

the quality Post is very poor, why coinomat pay him
more of her post is less than 75caracter also he spaming and Out Of topic, i think this is serious concern for manager sign campaign, spaming post is shows about her mindset and brian also signature campaign make to promote that service, if person who advertise is nood smart why must he pay it ? 

As easy as this sounds, its very hard, almost no-one here has time to go through the posts of all the users of a campaign, not will it only take alot of time but they will have to know multiple languages to efficiently judge spam, you should think about things like those before criticizing their campaign

Why he is not being called scammer and receiving red trust too?

Is it something personal or what?

EDIT:

he got paid: https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/058c01f14fb7ca1c670126a46da8b94aa6b575df37f0981f0371f0fde4baf352

1E9gUv3UHcEkV1h7p67VYoLbMxbWEcJmha is the address used for Coinomat's payments

He is not doing a good job indeed, i mean i spotted that randomly with no intention to catch him cheating, a manager would have spotted that days ago easily if he was really looking for their member's posts besides this guy's posts were absolutly trash and he should have been kicked out for that anyways

Their owner runs it, I think.

I told him to hire a campaign manager but he refused because he thinks the site have been around for a long time. can't say I object

Out of curiosity, who is managing the coinimat campaign? I don't think they are doing a very good job.

Hello, guys!
First of all, thanks XinXan for the message and this topic.

hilariousandco, sorry, if nobody responded to your first messages about cheating members. Now they will not be without replying, you have already got replies to last messages, for example, about those 4 cheaters. It's already time to forget, that smb didnt answer somewhen Now there are some people writing from this account. And there is a person, which manages with Campaign. And actually this person exists already for some time.
We are with attention to quality of posts, which our participants write in our Campaign. Why do you think we don't care? Why do you think, these small cheaters got paid?
Cheaters can not exist for long time and write a lot of posts, because community of forum notices everything. It's like alive system
And yes, posts are count by bot in general, but in random order we check quality of posts manually, especially it concerns new participants.
But most part of our members are already our friends and we know quality of their posts. They are part of forum' community and we are glad to be in the same community.
And cheaters are just small cheaters, which often don't get even 20 minimal posts... Actually, it's not so easy to cheat us
Especially with our friends-members and participants of our team, which give us additional information about such members.
So...   Thank you, friends, for your attention, topic and this discussion  
And note - today is Monday. Pay day for our Campaign. Payments will be today during some next hours