Is this user cheating coinomat ? - page 3.

Quickseller

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The 75 character minimum was likely instituted as a way to prevent people from spamming their signature with a lot of insubstantial posts. It was probably not anticipated that people would try to cheat the system (or maybe it was and the parties didn't do anything to prevent this).

I think it is interesting that bitmixer has almost the exact same rules, yet they have not encountered similar problems. People have complained that they were "unfairly" banned/removed from their campaign so it should be clear that someone is watching in the background even though they are not active in the forum.

XinXan

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 09:05:55 AM

It can't be that much to purchase the bot, and people can quite easily have their own created but if they're not willing to pay for both then they should pay someone to actually do the job properly as there's no way a bot can spot certain abuse or spam. The bots are fine for counting posts and deducting ones from certain sections or don't meet the criteria etc but there still needs to be a human involved just actually checking over stuff and willing to act quickly to abuses. If there's not then people will quickly find loopholes where they can abuse it as we've seen recently.

But the problem is that the bots are not even fine on counting the posts as seen here and before, people can bypass easily the character limit that any campaign has which makes the bot useless, its not a big deal to count an user's post count at the end of each week and calculate his total posts instead of getting a bot to do pretty much that since it cant detect when an user is abusing the system.

Of course the spam and insubstantial posts cant be detected either and really coinomat has no limits, you can almost post in any section which makes it even easier to spam the forum.

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It can't be that much to purchase the bot, and people can quite easily have their own created but if they're not willing to pay for both then they should pay someone to actually do the job properly as there's no way a bot can spot certain abuse or spam. The bots are fine for counting posts and deducting ones from certain sections or don't meet the criteria etc but there still needs to be a human involved just actually checking over stuff and willing to act quickly to abuses. If there's not then people will quickly find loopholes where they can abuse it as we've seen recently.

Quickseller

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 03:12:29 AM

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

Well the bot in question was marketed as something that would completely automate the campaign process so they are not going to want to do any kind of manual work regarding the campaign.

I imagine that the cost of the bot is likely only marginally less expensive then it would be to hire a signature campaign manager so it may not be economical to both pay for the bot and pay someone to do manual checking.

DevOfDev

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another joke Grin

he still spaming with less caracter Roll Eyes

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 04:46:17 AM

I guess they want to build a islam country.

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 04:48:29 AM

I use okcoin to trade bitcoin.

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 04:50:09 AM

multibit不是一次可以生成100个地址么。

XinXan

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 07:14:41 AM

Quote from: GannickusX on June 22, 2015, 07:10:39 AM

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

He hasnt responded to my mail yet but yes you are definitely right, there should be more pressure because they are pretty much attracting users to spam or post useless shit like this guy, if it wasnt for their campaign there would be no reason for him to post what he has been posting, maybe if ''x'' users are banned wearing the same sig campaign the campaign manager should receive like a warning and if it happens again, ban.

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Quote from: GannickusX on June 22, 2015, 07:10:39 AM

coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

I've already told them that but surprise surprise no response. I sent multiple messages to him about problem users but he only responded to the one informing him about users cheating and hasn't responded to any of my other PMs since. This is why I suggested there needs to be some pressure on campaign managers or business owners to actually do their job or face some sort of consequences.

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Quote from: Bizmark13 on June 22, 2015, 04:00:30 AM

Coinomat is using the bot hosted by marcotheminer so this bug probably isn't unique to their campaign. The bot shouldn't be counting spaces over two characters in length. Unless the bot is customizable so that Coinomat can choose unique strings of characters to ignore (a quick look at the bot's official thread here suggests that no such feature exists but I could be wrong), it's probably best to contact marcotheminer directly via a PM and ask him to update his bot or submit a feature request on his thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marcotheminer-147773

Its not only about the bot that can be bypassed its also that coinomat seems not to care too much about what users in their signature campaign post, this user its obviously posting trash and insubstantial posts not to mention the fact that he is cheating the system, coinomat should either pay more attention to that or hire someone to do it for them

Bizmark13

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Coinomat is using the bot hosted by marcotheminer so this bug probably isn't unique to their campaign. The bot shouldn't be counting spaces over two characters in length. Unless the bot is customizable so that Coinomat can choose unique strings of characters to ignore (a quick look at the bot's official thread here suggests that no such feature exists but I could be wrong), it's probably best to contact marcotheminer directly via a PM and ask him to update his bot or submit a feature request on his thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marcotheminer-147773

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Quote from: XinXan on June 22, 2015, 03:29:23 AM

Quote from: tspacepilot on June 22, 2015, 03:25:47 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 03:12:29 AM

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese. I certainly can't judge the quality. It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious. For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

I see it may be hard for you to scroll down, like just a little but here im going to quote his last posts so you can judge:

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 02:55:14 AM

You may try to run a campaign Grin

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 02:56:02 AM

is anybody get paid form this ponzi game?

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:16:04 PM

I only have 2 Grin

Bitcoin and qora Grin

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:18:43 PM

Every one has the right to own a gun to protect themself.

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Security is more important than Privacy.

All of them have poor quality + the spaces i was talking about earlier, you can just see it when quoting

that user will probably be banned for that low quality posts he made. and some user can report it directly to coinomat so Ingatqhvq wont be paid for his cheating

XinXan

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Quote from: tspacepilot on June 22, 2015, 03:25:47 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 03:12:29 AM

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese. I certainly can't judge the quality. It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious. For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

I see it may be hard for you to scroll down, like just a little but here im going to quote his last posts so you can judge:

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 02:55:14 AM

You may try to run a campaign Grin

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 22, 2015, 02:56:02 AM

is anybody get paid form this ponzi game?

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:16:04 PM

I only have 2 Grin

Bitcoin and qora Grin

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:18:43 PM

Every one has the right to own a gun to protect themself.

Quote from: Ingatqhvq on June 21, 2015, 10:13:27 PM

Security is more important than Privacy.

All of them have poor quality + the spaces i was talking about earlier, you can just see it when quoting

tspacepilot

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 22, 2015, 03:12:29 AM

Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

I looked at his recent posts and almost all of them are in chinese. I certainly can't judge the quality. It's cool to know that you speak Chinese tho, hillarious. For some reason I thought you had told me you were Candian (not that there aren't candians who speak chinese, but that's certainly not the stereotype).

hilariousandco

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Using a bot is fine... as long as it actually works, but there needs to be some occasional manual checking. Making a post 75 characters long doesn't mean the post isn't spam, and can be abused in several ways to get around it like this and the Malin Keshar situation. That user should obviously be kicked off the campaign for making poor posts alone.

Quickseller

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Who would have thought that it isn't a good idea to use a bit to count posts?

XinXan

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Profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ingatqhvq-266490

I noticed something weird in one of his posts when i was going to quote him and it seems like after his last word in any post there are a lot of spaces, white spaces. All his last posts have less than 30 characters but if you go to coinomat bitsig web to check his post count, he has 60, is he making his posts have more than 75 characters with the spaces?

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