Topic: Is this Why Satoshi Left? (Read 1238 times)
satoshi leaving is probably the best thing that could have happened, only thing that would have been better is if he burned his coins. I think if he/she still is alive/ didnt lose the coins they wont be moving coins until a much more anonymous way to send coins is created.
Yeah, I do agree with the second point. Satoshi would have realized that his creation, bitcoin could be used for illegal purposes.
I don't mean that BTC being used for illegal purposes was a problem. I doubt that satoshi would think that way knowing that cash is more anonymous. It's about BTC becoming notorious for illegal dealings online among the public, which has unfortunately happened to some extent.IMO it was a response to PC World's article. Satoshi may have thought PC World associated Wikileaks too closely with BTC.
But it is also believed that after Gavin told Satoshi that he was going to CIA that he disappeared, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshi-dumped-bitcoin-right-after-gavin-announced-he-was-going-to-the-cia-113609
This is a similar factor related to the legality of BTC. But if satoshi was concerned about being arrested, perhaps his concerns were unfounded considering that Gavin and other contributors were not arrested for their association to BTC (the authorities would not have a leg to stand on). I think it's more likely that satoshi wanted a small community and slower growth at first.Indeed, why he left? mostly to protect bitcoin if law enforcement authorities tried to pushed him to reveal/create any nodes to track or watch over bitcoin without any boundary. Or he want to protect himself from government which could sabotage someone with big vision like him as he immediately disappeared after Gavin told Satoshi about his plan.
Up to now, most of the others opinion about why satoshi left? no one knows the exact reason, it is still a speculation and no precise aright answer about it. Just what more important is bitcoin now was one of the successful experimentation were up to now its getting more improve because many people loved to use as well so the demand is getting higher.
He started Bitcoin with a lie, who he was, no one does this that is either without social disorders, fear of judgement or ultimately has reasons the average person wouldn't have to do so....like criminal or government project etc.
While he may have ben extremely bright if it is one persona and a man he is likely also extremely odd or the "front man" to a secret operation/group.
I highly doubt if still alive he is just an average joe that lives in a modest home and has a modest job.
People don't start with a lie/false identity and go to lengths to protect it for no reason. He is not the son of a god, saviour or the most humble man in the world, why he hides and does not use his coins is not hard to figure out. He is either dead, extremely weird or a secret op.
jmo
While he may have ben extremely bright if it is one persona and a man he is likely also extremely odd or the "front man" to a secret operation/group.
I highly doubt if still alive he is just an average joe that lives in a modest home and has a modest job.
People don't start with a lie/false identity and go to lengths to protect it for no reason. He is not the son of a god, saviour or the most humble man in the world, why he hides and does not use his coins is not hard to figure out. He is either dead, extremely weird or a secret op.
jmo
Even if satoshi stayed what do you think he had left to offer to bitcoin? He dreamt of a decentralized currency that everyone can use and its users would decide about its future, if he stayed and took a leading role in the development wouldn't you agree that he would see his dream crashing down? Every single of his move would affect BTC as people would see him as their leader, their creator and possibly for some he would be the reason they ran into money.
You would think the man can fly, LOL, the way folks talk about him.
Satoshi is irrelevant at this point. There, I said it. Given how democratic this thing is, its akin to the Founding Fathers writing the framers. Once they wrote it, it became a living document, subject to "version upgrades" and "new features". Bitcoin is like this, a living thing. anyone can add to it, but the community has to agree on those changes.
He had to also know he would not be able to touch his coins without burning the world down; if those coins start moving it will be a race between you and I to the exchanges
What could he contribute at this point? despite making his intentions plain, we have suffered with a gimped product due to the politics of this. I dont think folks would listen, to be honest. which is probably the reason hes left it alone, if hes still alive. its kind of been corrupted.
What if he used these coins to influence the community around bitcoin then? It wouldnt be impossible.Look at segwit. We ended with 2x because of a strong influence, and it was a compromise to some, because of that we might have a 3rd fork in November. Im not complaining or anything, but I disagree that satoshi is irrelevant at this point.
Even if satoshi stayed what do you think he had left to offer to bitcoin? He dreamt of a decentralized currency that everyone can use and its users would decide about its future, if he stayed and took a leading role in the development wouldn't you agree that he would see his dream crashing down? Every single of his move would affect BTC as people would see him as their leader, their creator and possibly for some he would be the reason they ran into money.
You would think the man can fly, LOL, the way folks talk about him.
Satoshi is irrelevant at this point. There, I said it. Given how democratic this thing is, its akin to the Founding Fathers writing the framers. Once they wrote it, it became a living document, subject to "version upgrades" and "new features". Bitcoin is like this, a living thing. anyone can add to it, but the community has to agree on those changes.
He had to also know he would not be able to touch his coins without burning the world down; if those coins start moving it will be a race between you and I to the exchanges
What could he contribute at this point? despite making his intentions plain, we have suffered with a gimped product due to the politics of this. I dont think folks would listen, to be honest. which is probably the reason hes left it alone, if hes still alive. its kind of been corrupted.
BTC is an software we all know that but many of the people using this for such illegal activity if satoshi nakamoto improve and improve this bitcoin we possibly use this currency as an alternative money 
And in what way do you think that he can possibly improve the usability of bitcoins, currently most investors are really not complaining on how bitcoins is currently being used. I believe its great the way it is even though its the safe haven for most criminals but i'd say that its one of its reason of being so valuable.
Even if satoshi stayed what do you think he had left to offer to bitcoin? He dreamt of a decentralized currency that everyone can use and its users would decide about its future, if he stayed and took a leading role in the development wouldn't you agree that he would see his dream crashing down? Every single of his move would affect BTC as people would see him as their leader, their creator and possibly for some he would be the reason they ran into money.
Satoshi most likely left because he didn't want to become a 'leader' of Bitcoin which is decentralized.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
This is a very interesting perspective but I believe that bitcoin community would not necessarily agree with everything Satoshi says. There are many educated and smart people here, they have their own opinion on things. Of course Satoshi would be highly respected in this community, but not like some unchallenged authority.
Bitcoin is working well on its own and with the support of its users. Bitcoin community indeed is an intellectual one and where there are too many smart people, there are always conflicts. Everyone has his own way of thinking.
Satoshi most likely left because he didn't want to become a 'leader' of Bitcoin which is decentralized.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
This is a very interesting perspective but I believe that bitcoin community would not necessarily agree with everything Satoshi says. There are many educated and smart people here, they have their own opinion on things. Of course Satoshi would be highly respected in this community, but not like some unchallenged authority.
Satoshi most likely left because he didn't want to become a 'leader' of Bitcoin which is decentralized.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
Had he still been here, I believe the majority of the community would follow & agree with him on everything, instead of having debates about Bitcoin's future. This isn't someone a decentralized, consensus-based currency should have.
Well, no one knows. May be, may not be. But I think it is better for him to be behind the curtains than to openly roam as the great Satoshi and get killed for his goodness.
Yeah, I do agree with the second point. Satoshi would have realized that his creation, bitcoin could be used for illegal purposes.
I don't mean that BTC being used for illegal purposes was a problem. I doubt that satoshi would think that way knowing that cash is more anonymous. It's about BTC becoming notorious for illegal dealings online among the public, which has unfortunately happened to some extent.IMO it was a response to PC World's article. Satoshi may have thought PC World associated Wikileaks too closely with BTC.
But it is also believed that after Gavin told Satoshi that he was going to CIA that he disappeared, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshi-dumped-bitcoin-right-after-gavin-announced-he-was-going-to-the-cia-113609
This is a similar factor related to the legality of BTC. But if satoshi was concerned about being arrested, perhaps his concerns were unfounded considering that Gavin and other contributors were not arrested for their association to BTC (the authorities would not have a leg to stand on). I think it's more likely that satoshi wanted a small community and slower growth at first. I've seen this post before. Presumably he meant:
1. BTC is still an experimental software. It would be nice to have time to develop it before it becomes too popular, because then he couldn't coordinate most people to do similar things very easily (forks, second implementations, etc).
2. Possibly that he didn't want BTC to become notorious for illegal activity because he wanted it to be used by ordinary people.
1. BTC is still an experimental software. It would be nice to have time to develop it before it becomes too popular, because then he couldn't coordinate most people to do similar things very easily (forks, second implementations, etc).
2. Possibly that he didn't want BTC to become notorious for illegal activity because he wanted it to be used by ordinary people.
The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Resign? He was just a developer. He only had power because he developed the reference client and people agreed with what he said. Yeah, I do agree with the second point. Satoshi would have realized that his creation, bitcoin could be used for illegal purposes.
In November 2010, Wikileaks released the United States diplomatic cables leak and by December 2010, Bank of America and PayPal stopped serving Wikileaks by December 11-12 they announced that they would be accepting bitcoin donations.
Wikileaks 2011 tweet, https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/80774521350668288?lang=en
The address in the tweet, https://blockchain.info/address/1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v
More than 4000 BTC in donations.
Right after the cables leak, a controversial website like Wikileaks accepting bitcoin might have forced Satoshi to leave. Obviously his/her/their anonymity was at stake. This was one of the last posts by Satoshi on this forum.
But it is also believed that after Gavin told Satoshi that he was going to CIA that he disappeared, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshi-dumped-bitcoin-right-after-gavin-announced-he-was-going-to-the-cia-113609
Connecting these scattered information, we can make assumptions, but too difficult to make a factual statement.
I went through Satoshi's stuff yesterday and I noticed one of his last posts mentioned something about WikiLeaks.
The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
I personally was not around here at that time but I can say one thing for certain. Satoshi Nakamoto disappeared without a word because of an unknown reason which is good enough to make him leave the development of bitcoin. That reason is not connected to the last post of satoshi nakamoto here but there is a low probability of it being connected but probably it is not the case.The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
My reason in this thing. Satoshi is being around this forum and he is watching everything about price movement and how technically it get updated every time. He is hidden because the fear of Illuminatis. If he comes up then he will also assassinate by them. Let him hidden that will take bitcoin to moon and no one can't touch the copyright of btc.
"He is hidden because the fear of Illuminatis. If he comes up then he will also assassinate by them."
This is the stupidest thing I have ever laid my eyes on
Lol. Dude is even Hero. M. He very much entitled to his opinion though. Anything is possible In the World of the unknown
Assassination would still have no effect on Bitcoin.
The worst they could do selling his Bitcoin. I have a feeling he has no assess to his Private key.
The worst they could do selling his Bitcoin. I have a feeling he has no assess to his Private key.
I went through Satoshi's stuff yesterday and I noticed one of his last posts mentioned something about WikiLeaks.
The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
I personally was not around here at that time but I can say one thing for certain. Satoshi Nakamoto disappeared without a word because of an unknown reason which is good enough to make him leave the development of bitcoin. That reason is not connected to the last post of satoshi nakamoto here but there is a low probability of it being connected but probably it is not the case.The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
My reason in this thing. Satoshi is being around this forum and he is watching everything about price movement and how technically it get updated every time. He is hidden because the fear of Illuminatis. If he comes up then he will also assassinate by them. Let him hidden that will take bitcoin to moon and no one can't touch the copyright of btc.
"He is hidden because the fear of Illuminatis. If he comes up then he will also assassinate by them."
This is the stupidest thing I have ever laid my eyes on
I went through Satoshi's stuff yesterday and I noticed one of his last posts mentioned something about WikiLeaks.
The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
I personally was not around here at that time but I can say one thing for certain. Satoshi Nakamoto disappeared without a word because of an unknown reason which is good enough to make him leave the development of bitcoin. That reason is not connected to the last post of satoshi nakamoto here but there is a low probability of it being connected but probably it is not the case.The Bitcoin founder was probably forced to resign by C people
Here is the post:
" It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context. WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us."
I also think he handed over all his access to Bitcoin to them. Maybe C people realized Bitcoin couldn't be shut down and they left him but still under their surveillance
My reason in this thing. Satoshi is being around this forum and he is watching everything about price movement and how technically it get updated every time. He is hidden because the fear of Illuminatis. If he comes up then he will also assassinate by them. Let him hidden that will take bitcoin to moon and no one can't touch the copyright of btc.
Nobody knows whether there was in fact Satoshi Nakamoto, or is a fictional character the purpose of which was to give to the people the bitcoin. Remember how Archimedes said? Give me a lever and I will move the whole world. Bitcoin is the lever.
Can you list other crypto Creators who used "fictional" character? That theory MAKES NO SENSE.
He isn't like the others. He was the first and the first brings most attention. It is not safe to have the attention of powerful people who would lose a lot of money because of you. He would be reasonably afraid to do what he did and any protection he can get would make complete sense.
Nobody knows whether there was in fact Satoshi Nakamoto, or is a fictional character the purpose of which was to give to the people the bitcoin. Remember how Archimedes said? Give me a lever and I will move the whole world. Bitcoin is the lever.
Can you list other crypto Creators who used "fictional" character? That theory MAKES NO SENSE.
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