Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed! - page 3.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 28, 2019, 03:16:07 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 05:03:17 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 27, 2019, 04:10:48 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again. In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas. That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill, even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

You can kill any idea if you replace it with a better idea.

Why don't you believe in Zeus?

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Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 05:03:17 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 27, 2019, 04:10:48 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again. In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas. That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

I didn't reffer to your words about killing ideas but about killing religion.
Religion you can't kill, even with education because it's also idea and for people in Muslim world is also their way of life.
They will not change their traditions and way of life because you will give them some education.
They are already brainwashed in their religion and their ideas so they will not change what they believe.

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As long as no dead body and confirmed DNA of Abu Bakr then that shit still lurking on Syria or in neighbouring country. This shit is well known for faking out death to buy some time and to get away to the attention of media. Assuming that he was dead due to suicide is a very shit assumption considering that this guy is the leader of the most cancer terrorist group.

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ISIS = Israeli Secret intelligence Service Grin

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Quote from: mindrust on October 28, 2019, 01:24:38 AM

I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

Finally! One person doesn't reflexively believe some bullshit story about some basically fictional character of a basically fictional organization just because it was reported on the Tee-Vee.

You would think that after all of the theater and fake news, more people would have wised up and become a little bit descerning, but even people here who one would expect to have a little common sense just buy everything the mainstream media pumps out seemingly without a second thought. Oh well...what can ya do?

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Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

Well no, that's not how this works.

You can kill a person by killing a person.

Islam in and of itself isn't bad, not at all. There are vicious people in every religion who believe that those that aren't apart of their religion shouldn't be on this earth, and that's how the world works. But these people aren't dangerous unless they act on these ideals, and that's what Terrorism is.

You're able to stoke fear in those that support ISIS by killing their leader, showing that everyone below him will die a horrid death as well.

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I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

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Quote from: NathanJB on October 28, 2019, 12:53:53 AM

When someone who is considered the top wanted terrorist in the whole world died, I guess the news will publish articles on it. When someone who is elusive from authorities despite so many crimes that cannot be counted anymore finally falls, people will definitely talk and discuss about it, celebrate, and take a breath of relief. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not just your ordinary mosquito.

Mosquitoes killed significantly greater amount of people than any so-called wanted terrorist.

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In 2016, there were 216 million cases of malaria worldwide resulting in an estimated 445,000 to 731,000 deaths.

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On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war.

One year and 445,000 to 731,000 vs. 5 years and 400,000. Think about that.

This is why I'd prefer care about mosquitoes instead of dedicating resources to dealing with yet another abu-mabu-tumbo-jumbo. Especially if we would take into account that al-Baghdadi is linked with CIA and was merely a useful tool for them.

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A reasonable number of people around the world recognize what is going on here and have for some time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3g_sKf-mNs

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Quote from: Balthazar on October 28, 2019, 12:45:21 AM

Who cares? I mean really, who cares about some scumbag's death. Well, I guess it would be a good idea to publish an article when I'll kill a mosquito.

When someone who is considered the top wanted terrorist in the whole world died, I guess the news will publish articles on it. When someone who is elusive from authorities despite so many crimes that cannot be counted anymore finally falls, people will definitely talk and discuss about it, celebrate, and take a breath of relief. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not just your ordinary mosquito.

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Who cares? I mean really, who cares about some scumbag's death. Well, I guess it would be a good idea to publish an article when I'll kill a mosquito.

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RIP Simon Elliot. I mean when you actually die; reports of your demise from the MSM indicate that you are still fine.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on October 27, 2019, 04:10:48 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again. In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas. That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

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Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 27, 2019, 08:30:45 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on October 27, 2019, 06:46:23 AM

If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

I so much agree with the last two lines lol. Everything has turned political these days. I do wonder if they actually do anything or all government agencies just sit for a cup of coffee discussing what to post to make the public hyped and grab some votes and attention. Although, if the news is true, it's really an achievement for the governments which did this operation!

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Quote from: af_newbie on October 27, 2019, 11:17:43 AM

You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

It's hard to impose ideas on uneducated people who want to be uneducated.
The average IQ in Muslim countries is so low that in developed countries a person would be seen as retarded. To make sure people comply with the rules they deny their women education and make sure they know "their place" from the early age.
You can't make a Muslim extremist change mind just as you can't teach a 7 year old to write essays on politics.

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You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

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Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on October 27, 2019, 09:53:37 AM

Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.

Quote from: npredtorch on October 27, 2019, 08:38:43 AM

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.

Isnt there any confirmation if this one is legit? Yeah i remember this isnt the first time but basing into those reports seems like theres a high chance.

Talking about principles which cant really be changed up no matter what even leaders being killed i agree completely that if recruitment would be choked up then
there might be a chance but that thing is nearly impossible to be handled.

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They're saying he was fleeing towards the Turkish border. Is turkey hiding more people from his group? Kurds were fighting Isis, now Turkey is fighting Kurds and protecting terrorists. Islamists are brothers in the same religion so it's natural for them to protect one another. Tongue

It's good that he was found and killed but there's much more going one here. These extremists are nothing but puppets in the hands of much stronger people who are using them like dogs to scare the herd. When the work is done and dogs are no longer needed they get kicked out or killed.

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Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.

Quote from: npredtorch on October 27, 2019, 08:38:43 AM

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.

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