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Topic: ISIS reportedly gives away sex slaves as 'prizes' in Koran contest - page 2. (Read 2262 times)

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4:23 - “Prohibited to you (for marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-   

4:24 - “Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.”

4:25 - “If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

33:50 - “O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Here, 'lawful' means 'wedlock by law' not 'lust by law'.
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ISIS is not Mushlim they just a crazy people do what they wanna do with mask religion and i think every mushlim hate ISIS too

If ISIS is not Muslim, what they are? I have seen Muslims taking out protest marches against several issues, such as to protest the banning of headscarves, discrimination in jobs.etc. But I am yet to see Muslims taking out a protest march against the atrocities of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir link=topic=1097301.msg11710853#msg11710853

First of all, see [url
http://islamqa.info/en/94840[/url] and http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm(optional).

It is by no means promoting slave sale. Qur'an told to either release slaves for free or by ransom. Here, slaves refer to war captives. Qur'an and Hadiths has also told to be righteous towards slaves and also the verses and hadiths tell about wedlock, not lust. "Ma malakat aymanuhum" is used in other verses too and it is not referring just to a slave or slaves. You should also note that it is not easy to forbid a bad thing in a second. For example, alcoholic drinks were brought down step by step. In the way is slavery. Also note that slaves where released for free by prophet and swahabas. In fact, at that time, attitude towards slaves were very bad and Islam give more rights to them.

“If any of you have a slave girl, whom he gives good education and excellent training, and then he emancipates her and marries her, he shall have a two-fold reward.” - Al-Bukhari.

The Prophet said, "Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case, I advise you to help them" - Al-Bukhari.
FROM THE QURAN - 23:5,6
"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."
 
            Again, Muslim men were allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls.
 
 
 
FROM THE QURAN - 4:24
"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).
 
 
            This verse is one verse out of a long passage dealing with who Muslim men can marry or have sexual relations with. The phrase "captives whom your right hand possess", means the slave girls Muslim men own.
            Note also that this passage deals with more than just marriage.  In Sahih Muslim volume 2, #3432, the background context for this Quranic verse is given.  It relates to the events at Autus, and it permitted the Muslim men to have sex with their female slaves.
 
 
 
FROM THE QURAN - 33:50
"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."
 
 
            This verse is for Muhammad.  Supposedly, God allows Muhammad to have sex with his slave girls.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm
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Should we believe Fox news as carved in a stone, though I do not support any sort of ISIS activity, but these news only adding fuel into the fire, and this ISIS was created by US and Saudi Arabia just to bring bad name to Islam and suppress the Muslims all over the world by bringing such news just to defame the holy book context which is being conducted purely on the memorization skills of the whole Quran.
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ISIS is not Mushlim they just a crazy people do what they wanna do with mask religion and i think every mushlim hate ISIS too
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I don't know exactly if Catholic or Baptist is same with Christian since EU and US religion majority is Christian. If so, what do you think about it? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2820603/The-price-slave-determined-official-ISIS-price-list-Islamist-group-sets-prices-Yazidi-Christian-women-girls-nine-fetching-highest-price.html

Imagine our daughters or sisters was captured and sold by the maniacs to random people  Sad  It's so painful. They are very lecherous. Have no idea why EU and US still keep calm.

Can you stop complaining about EU and US?
On one hand they're people like you who want the government to use taxpayers money to battle overseas(which they are doing), and on the OTHER hand they're people who are complaining about how the government is using way too much money on ISIS. They are not keeping calm, I don't even live in that continent or US.... but i know that they're in a tight spot. This situation is a problem, but your last remark is false.

Seems you know everything, and so just share what all of you have known so far about it than blaming someone opinion. And who do you think can take the action to blow up ISIS? UN? lol. US is the absolute power behind it. NATO? It is being driven by EU. Or maybe your country armies? Sounds better.
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Can you stop complaining about EU and US?

The United States and the European Union were the ones who toppled Saddam Hussain and thereby (indirectly) created the ISIS in the first place. So it is their responsibility to protect the minorities, who are suffering from the rise of the ISIS. By the way, has anyone noticed this news about HIV-infectd ISIS fighters:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136116/ISIS-fighter-executed-spreading-Aids-donated-BLOOD-Syria-passed-one-Islamist-fighter-15-year-old-Yazidi-sex-slave.html
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Anyone here part of the Islamic faith or studied it? Is this type of act - selling sex slaves, presumably rape - condoned in the Quran? Or Sharia law?

I can't imagine a religion says this type of act is a good thing, but it's hard to believe that ISIS would commit such hypocrisy as well.

Anyone educated on the topic that can provide real insight?

Guess you're not Christian then? Because the bible has no problems with slaves or rape either.
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ISIS has no religion at all, they are doing those atrocity tasks with backing of some powerful countries, can anyone say that, where they got funds to live, eat and shelter themselves, so much so if everyone analyze once again that, they are killing Muslims equally as targeting other minorities, this shows that they aren't belongs to any religion or sects.
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No one cares, as it is the Yazidi women who are targeted. If it were Catholic or Baptist women, the EU the United States would have decided to bomb ISIS to rubble. Yazdânism is one of the oldest religions in the world. When ISIS wipes out the Yazidis completely (probably in a matter of few years), a significant chunk of human history will also vanish with them.

I don't know exactly if Catholic or Baptist is same with Christian since EU and US religion majority is Christian. If so, what do you think about it? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2820603/The-price-slave-determined-official-ISIS-price-list-Islamist-group-sets-prices-Yazidi-Christian-women-girls-nine-fetching-highest-price.html

Imagine our daughters or sisters was captured and sold by the maniacs to random people  Sad  It's so painful. They are very lecherous. Have no idea why EU and US still keep calm.

Can you stop complaining about EU and US?
On one hand they're people like you who want the government to use taxpayers money to battle overseas(which they are doing), and on the OTHER hand they're people who are complaining about how the government is using way too much money on ISIS. They are not keeping calm, I don't even live in that continent or US.... but i know that they're in a tight spot. This situation is a problem, but your last remark is false.
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This is not new. This is sick.
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I prefer Zakir over Muhammed when mentioning me!
Anyone here part of the Islamic faith or studied it? Is this type of act - selling sex slaves, presumably rape - condoned in the Quran? Or Sharia law?

I can't imagine a religion says this type of act is a good thing, but it's hard to believe that ISIS would commit such hypocrisy as well.

Anyone educated on the topic that can provide real insight?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Rape

Al-Muminun 6 and Al-Maarij 30 both, in identical wording, draw a distinction between spouses and "those whom one's right hands possess" (female slaves), saying " أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ" (literally, "their spouses or what their right hands possess"), while clarifying that sexual intercourse with either is permissible regardless of consent. The female slave may be punished if she doesn't consent. The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history.[31]

One rationale given for recognition of concubinage in Islam is that "it satisfied the sexual desire of the female slaves and thereby prevented the spread of immorality in the Muslim community."[32] Most schools restrict concubinage to a monogamous relationship between the slave woman and her master,[33] but according to Sikainga, "in reality, however, female slaves in many Muslim societies were prey for members of their owners' household, their neighbors, and their guests."[32]

First of all, see http://islamqa.info/en/94840 and http://www.answering-christianity.com/equality.htm(optional).

It is by no means promoting slave sale. Qur'an told to either release slaves for free or by ransom. Here, slaves refer to war captives. Qur'an and Hadiths has also told to be righteous towards slaves and also the verses and hadiths tell about wedlock, not lust. "Ma malakat aymanuhum" is used in other verses too and it is not referring just to a slave or slaves. You should also note that it is not easy to forbid a bad thing in a second. For example, alcoholic drinks were brought down step by step. In the way is slavery. Also note that slaves where released for free by prophet and swahabas. In fact, at that time, attitude towards slaves were very bad and Islam give more rights to them.

“If any of you have a slave girl, whom he gives good education and excellent training, and then he emancipates her and marries her, he shall have a two-fold reward.” - Al-Bukhari.

The Prophet said, "Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case, I advise you to help them" - Al-Bukhari.
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Anyone here part of the Islamic faith or studied it? Is this type of act - selling sex slaves, presumably rape - condoned in the Quran? Or Sharia law?

I can't imagine a religion says this type of act is a good thing, but it's hard to believe that ISIS would commit such hypocrisy as well.

Anyone educated on the topic that can provide real insight?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum#Rape


Al-Muminun 6 and Al-Maarij 30 both, in identical wording, draw a distinction between spouses and "those whom one's right hands possess" (female slaves), saying " أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ" (literally, "their spouses or what their right hands possess"), while clarifying that sexual intercourse with either is permissible regardless of consent. The female slave may be punished if she doesn't consent. The purchase of female slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history.[31]

One rationale given for recognition of concubinage in Islam is that "it satisfied the sexual desire of the female slaves and thereby prevented the spread of immorality in the Muslim community."[32] Most schools restrict concubinage to a monogamous relationship between the slave woman and her master,[33] but according to Sikainga, "in reality, however, female slaves in many Muslim societies were prey for members of their owners' household, their neighbors, and their guests."[32]
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ISIS will do anything what they want as far as they can't be stopped. They not only ruined their religion, but also they have destroyed Middle East countries and humanity. I think they are cruelest than Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot combined. Are their actions be ordered by their God? Or is there any conspiracy behind it? But the most important thing is stop this madness. They may make a country or something, but don't make any violence to women and innocent person.

There is a conspiracy behind it , that's for sure .
That's not ordered by god , I'am a muslim and I know that there is no such a thing at least not the way they are doing it . there is 1.7 billion muslims around the world and the number is rising every single day , if god ordered to spread the chaos as ISIS is doing now , shouldn't we be all dead by now ?


I had previously thought that no religion teach to kill the others to get into heaven. But the problem is, ISIS always shout the god name everytime they do action and stated all what they done as a God orders. Minority people in Iraq and Syiria have got torturing by them and I don't know what will be happened in future if ISIS still exist in this world.
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ISIS has been killing men and holding the women as sex slaves from a long time now. Sometimes, either they force the men to convert or just fucking kill them. They are brutal and need to be tackled immeditaley. I feel sorry for those women, and I hope things change, asap.

They brutally kill their men and rape their women. They sell the kids in the sex slave trade and now, use these women as a gift. This is such a torture, to see your wife being raped in front of you while they take your child away. Oh dear lord.
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ISIS will do anything what they want as far as they can't be stopped. They not only ruined their religion, but also they have destroyed Middle East countries and humanity. I think they are cruelest than Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot combined. Are their actions be ordered by their God? Or is there any conspiracy behind it? But the most important thing is stop this madness. They may make a country or something, but don't make any violence to women and innocent person.

There is a conspiracy behind it , that's for sure .
That's not ordered by god , I'am a muslim and I know that there is no such a thing at least not the way they are doing it . there is 1.7 billion muslims around the world and the number is rising every single day , if god ordered to spread the chaos as ISIS is doing now , shouldn't we be all dead by now ?
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Loose lips sink sigs!
Anyone here part of the Islamic faith or studied it? Is this type of act - selling sex slaves, presumably rape - condoned in the Quran? Or Sharia law?

I can't imagine a religion says this type of act is a good thing, but it's hard to believe that ISIS would commit such hypocrisy as well.

Anyone educated on the topic that can provide real insight?
legendary
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No one cares, as it is the Yazidi women who are targeted. If it were Catholic or Baptist women, the EU the United States would have decided to bomb ISIS to rubble. Yazdânism is one of the oldest religions in the world. When ISIS wipes out the Yazidis completely (probably in a matter of few years), a significant chunk of human history will also vanish with them.

I don't know exactly if Catholic or Baptist is same with Christian since EU and US religion majority is Christian. If so, what do you think about it? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2820603/The-price-slave-determined-official-ISIS-price-list-Islamist-group-sets-prices-Yazidi-Christian-women-girls-nine-fetching-highest-price.html

Imagine our daughters or sisters was captured and sold by the maniacs to random people  Sad  It's so painful. They are very lecherous. Have no idea why EU and US still keep calm.
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ISIS has been killing men and holding the women as sex slaves from a long time now. Sometimes, either they force the men to convert or just fucking kill them. They are brutal and need to be tackled immeditaley. I feel sorry for those women, and I hope things change, asap.
legendary
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No one cares, as it is the Yazidi women who are targeted. If it were Catholic or Baptist women, the EU the United States would have decided to bomb ISIS to rubble. Yazdânism is one of the oldest religions in the world. When ISIS wipes out the Yazidis completely (probably in a matter of few years), a significant chunk of human history will also vanish with them.
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