Topic: Israel wants to extort 300,000,000,000 dollars from Poland (Read 486 times)

First of all he didn't said that. He only wrote that Poland had the “hyena appetite” Source.
Secondly it's not a thread about historical revisionism and views of a notoriously drunk politician that Churchill was.  
Thirdly if you are quoting this priceless source of knowledge known as Wikipedia, why not quote parts that matter for the discussion?
Fourthly this region was captured by Czech army in 1920 in a back-stab like attack aimed at occupation of entire Silesia, only stopped by the Entente, while Poland was fighting the Bolsheviks. Besides approval doesn't mean cooperation.

Sounds like Turkey with what they are trying to do in Syria now.

I wonder where the so-called 'Polish nobility' (Zbignew Brzezinski's kin) came down on the operation.  I wonder the same thing about the so-called 'Young Turks' in Turkey's land grab.  Any the so-called House of Saud 'wahabists' in Saudi Arabia with their (laughably failing) land grab in Yemen.

That's just a pile of crap. Czechoslovakia, 1938.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts#Annexations_by_Poland_in_1938

Please consider reading "Bandici z Armii Krajowej" by Wojciech Lada.

Quote from: af_newbie on March 07, 2019, 12:19:22 PM

I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country.

They will take it over for sure, but no actual destruction will happen, Islamic Caliphate of Deutschland will be born instead. That will be only beginning of your problems, considering that turks and arabs aren't pussies. They'll wait few decades and then new supremacist ideology will be formed, which purpose will be to urge them to start collecting debts like the lands of former Prussia. It's 1/3 of current polish territory, just in case if you forget about that. And nobody will be able to stop them from doing so. NATO and USA will simply ignore that like Britain did in 1939. Sometimes they say that you should be afraid of your wishes, but it's already too late. The process has long been running and has become irreversible. Jews simply want to get something while there is still something to take. Because then, in place of Poland, there will be Arabs who will not give anything to them. That's it.

Agreed. Poland was a victim of Germany.

The state of Poland, it is argued, benefitted from the wrongful deaths.

But does Israel have standing to demand payment TO ISRAEL? Is Israel somehow a close cousin, or a favored friend of these unknown dead, by virtue of it being a champion of the same religion?

No. No way.

Update:
Regular Poles, shocked by the lack of action from their elected politicians, created so called "stop 447" bill, as a civil initiative. 200K signatures were gathered in order to pass this professionally prepared legislature to the parliament. This acts purpose is to prevent Polish politicians to even attend any negotiations with Jewish organisations in regard to heirless properties. With presidential election on the horizon, ruling party (that is know to have strange contacts with Chabad-Lubavitch) will surely try to keep this bill as much under the radars as possible. Is treason an option?

Heirless property by law belongs to the state or else we end up in a world torn apart by endless national, ethnic, religious and racial conflicts.

The Nuremberg trials is one way to make a civil law country act in common law.

I don't get why you're making such a big deal out of it. They want money, fine, so does everybody. It doesn't mean they will get it. Poland wanted more money from Germany because what they were given after the war was taken by the Russians, who were supposed to share with Poland, but we all know how such deals end up. You pay the foreman and don't care how he shares it between the workers, and such was the Germany's line of defense. Long story short, Poland did not get any additional money from Germany. What makes you think Israel will?

Is this why Poland must pay the Jews?
There was only one country during that awful WWII time, were handing a slice of bread to a starving, Jewish child was punished by death...
Despite that fact, people of that inconspicuous nation saved the most, ultimate punishment was no concern.
Watch this short clip, maybe share it in your social media but remember that those who tell the whole truth, annoy everybody.

I dont think that Isreal deserves this money, as the OP states, the Jews were Polish citizens and it just seems that Isreal just wants to get money from Poland. It there is no heirs, then sorry but the heritage goes to the government.

US Senate bills S447 and H.R.1226 have the potential to destroy US of A !

https://edwardoreid.wistia.com/medias/oix0cx65la
If you want to know more, check out this video (in English) linked above or below.
It was already banned off YouTube and vimeo once, here is the repost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baqgEDIUAyw
Man in the video appears to be an independent whistle-blower, self thought historian and undoubtedly true, American patriot.
Judging by my own historical knowledge, he is 100% accurate in his summary of those critical acts.

Thank you all for your responses, please let's keep this discussion as civil as possible.

They need to stockpile nuclear weapons now.  Increase the military budget, become the Pakistan of Eastern Europe.

Without nukes, nobody will treat them seriously.  Bullies only respect other bullies.

So 'the science is settled' eh?


Obtain and apply some Vaseline because the Zionist probably won't.  It's going to hurt.


You'll be taken over.  My advise would be to brainstorm for how to break out when the time is right and make prepartions to do so.  Stockpile some previsions.

World War II happened more than 7 decades ago. Can we just stop fighting over the repatriations? Israel has got its fair share of repatriations from Germany and the other axis nations. On the other hand, countries such as the (former) USSR, Poland and Serbia lost millions of civilians to Nazi atrocities (in the most barbaric conditions) and still they received only a fraction of what the Israelis got.

I am not saying that the Israelis received too much money. All I want to say is that things were settled long back and making new demands would be like opening the Pandora's box.

Let's start with the basics:
1. These claims are baseless and will never be acknowledged, because under the law (any common law including the law of the EU) abandoned property goes to the government if no relatives of the owner can be found, or enough time passes. Usually these are quite long periods like 15 or 20 years, depending on particular local law.
Try not paying your property tax and you'll see that after a few years you'll get a notice and then your property will go to the highest bidder.
2. Under the EU law abandoned property cannot be inherited by the government of another country. It can be only taken over by a relative of the former owner, or the local government of the country where the property is located.
3. AFAIK most of the real estate that Jews are showing claims to was completely wiped out during the war and rebuilt by either the Polish government, or by private parties.
4. They had 50 years to come back, but none of them wanted to because it was a poor communist country with high inflation. A frontier of the Soviet Union. They did not want to invest in something that was in ruins, but now, when it's rebuilt, they smell profit. Too late!

Poland, as well as the EU should ignore it. What are the Jews going to do? Remove their embassy? Revoke tourist visas?

I don't think the numbers are inflated. I think in the neighborhood of 6 million were butchered.  But even if there were twice as many killed reparations don't make sense.

The people paying the reparations would not be the people who committed the crimes. Taking money from them now would be a crime in itself.

+1

These claims are baseless. Poles did not kill these Polish Jews.  Germans did that.

Israelis are barking at the wrong tree.

Why is Israel even allowed to do this?  Israel did not exist when these atrocities were committed.  How can they claim that these Polish citizens were Israelis?  Being Jewish is not a nationality.  Judaism is a religion.  

I don't get it.  What the Polish government was supposed to do?  Wait half a century until some country in the future will make a claim.

Germans are the ones who started it all, they should be the ones to pay any damages.

Stalin and Allies mishandled the negotiations after WWII, Germany should have been paying much larger reparations to all countries involved.
How many Russians died?  22 million?  Make it 1 million per person, Germany should have been paying 22 Trillion to Russia alone.

What happened to the victims and their families after WWII is a disgrace.

They were simply Polish, that's it. Can you imagine Mexico doing this for 3rd generation Chicanos in the US? As far as America is concerned those are already American citizens and American laws apply. Israel don't even exist at the time.

I don't consider myself racist but this is stereotypical Jewish. I don't know about the legalities but I believe Poland can play the underdog. Considering Israel don't have a sparkling reputation, exposing that it's pulling strings in the US do force Poland to change its laws should make some people angry. Crazy how these bills were sponsored by Democrats who always criticize Republicans for being "too pro-Israel".

With The United States backing up Israel they are confident going around playing the victim and bullying others into giving what they demand.

Tired of hearing jews talk about world war 2 as well, every race has gone through hardships.  Those death numbers are over inflated.

All of that was very dark and tragic history
Jewish escaped from Vatican oppression over 1000 years ago
They were all Polish citizens together with refugees from India Romes his popular name are gypsy
Poland was huge empire  and  land of tolerances protestant  Lutherans and even musli from Crimea were living in Poland
Now that what is happening is politic
There is election campaign in Israel .Natanyahu is suspected for corruption so he and his people are looking for votes
It is awful because so many people experienced incredible tragedy and suffering
Still Poland is keeping memory about that unique culture what Jewish has created in Poland
There is big festival of Jewish culture.One week of dance and music
Poland is taking care of memory places etc
If anybody of you want to know about that Jewish culture what was in Poland than you can read Isaac B Singer books.He is very good writer and Noble Prize laureat
All that Jewish what were living in Poland were ordinary heavy working poor people
There was no so reach bankers like baron de Rothschild was
Those Jewish who are rising now that kind of concern are acting same way like Nazi propaganda was doing
And even they and his USA supporters are or lie or they are ignorants
There was agreement done between Poland USA and Israel reached i think around 1968 and all that question has been regulated
During second war Poland was alive
Poland has his underground army, government and courts
There was legal cases opened against Polish citizens for collaborating with Germans
But the sentence was only one death
And some Polish lost his life because they were sharing with Germans information about hided Jewish.
It was crime sentenced by death

WW2 was also big business for some people
At the end i going to bring famous quote of baron de Rothschild
Buy properties when blood is on the street