Not only Poland was one of the first countries invaded by Germany but also one of the most destroyed once. Additionally Polish citizens where one of the biggest group of people killed in prison camps after Judes. That was a very dark time in human history and I hope that people are not so clueless and all attempts to make money because of the war will be stopped.
I think that there is a different approach needed to resolve all these problems which war caused in all these different countries. We can not forget that borders changed after the end of the war and Russland took a piece of Poland and Poland took a piece of Germany. Only because of this there are a lot of problems with inheritance and acts of ownership.
There is mainly a problem with ownership on these new lands which Poland get after the war. One of the big cities where there was a lot of such cases is Wrocław (German name Breslau from before the war). One has to realize that the same problem has Poland with Russia (because of the lost lands) and there is nobody talking about billions of dollars, despite they took a very important piece of land called Littau (Litwa from Polish)which is like a historical capital city for Polish people.
An international organization is needed which will consist of representatives from all interested countries.
This organization is supposed to get unrestricted access to all necessary documents in all countries and specially appointed specialists should enumerate what everyone should consider taking into account as already mentioned factors(change of borders, size of damage and destruction, a current state of the economy, etc.)
It can not be, that today after all these years, different countries are jumping into their throats and are imposing some real compensation from countries that are undergoing deep reorganization and are struggling with deep budgetary problems and rising inflation.
Poland has not started this war and is just a victim as Israel and its citizens. In my opinion, all that money should still be paid by Germans that unleashed the Second World War or an International War Insurance Organisation which should be established long time ago to run such cases.
Topic: Israel wants to extort 300,000,000,000 dollars from Poland - page 2. (Read 504 times)
I have a feeling this is being pushed in retaliation for this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
Well those claims where there much, much earlier. Many nations like Hungary, France, Switzerland have had already paid a lot of money for their ww2 offences. Poland however was the only nation, that never collaborated with Nazi Germany, Poles just don't feel like they owe something to Jewish international community and most of Poles are also against claims of reparations from Germans. We know that they have no such money, that it will harm ordinary citizens and brake our relationships.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
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I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country. They deserve it.
Harsh words... no need to offend an entire nation my friend. I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country. They deserve it.
I really do hope your expectations won't come in to existence because, I'm not sure if Poland on it's own, can save Europe one more time.
I know they were, but they have been pushing them again recently. Also the EU is trying to pressure Poland and a few other remaining nations to allow themselves to be overrun with illegal immigrants with no interest in integrating. Eastern Europe has a long history of fighting off these invaders. IMO the Israeli claim is just to try to force Poland to comply with the EU demands using financial war. Israel is in a much better position to use force against anyone than Poland is. Also since Poland was arguably one of the biggest victims of WW2 I find this idea they should pay reparations asinine. It amazes me how a people could suffer their own attempted genocide then run around perpetrating all those same horrible behaviors on other groups within 1 lifetime.
Completely stupid and extremely racist demand.
Poles citizens that happened to be Jewish should be considered Israel citizens? Ridiculous. That's exactly saying "we're not normal humans we're Jews. We're different from the rest of the world". Extremely racist when you come to think about it.
It's even more ridiculous when you take into account that they ask that to POLAND. Which is one of the major victim of WW2. It's not like they had a choice into seeing those citizens sent to death...
And what whould have the Poland government done? In 1941 they were supposed to say "oh wait, we will wait for the war to be over and a Jewish country established so that we can give them what our Jewish citizens possess"?
If such thing were to happen that would clearly increase antisemitism and conspiracies theories about Jews and for a damn good reason!!!
Poles citizens that happened to be Jewish should be considered Israel citizens? Ridiculous. That's exactly saying "we're not normal humans we're Jews. We're different from the rest of the world". Extremely racist when you come to think about it.
It's even more ridiculous when you take into account that they ask that to POLAND. Which is one of the major victim of WW2. It's not like they had a choice into seeing those citizens sent to death...
And what whould have the Poland government done? In 1941 they were supposed to say "oh wait, we will wait for the war to be over and a Jewish country established so that we can give them what our Jewish citizens possess"?
If such thing were to happen that would clearly increase antisemitism and conspiracies theories about Jews and for a damn good reason!!!
I have a feeling this is being pushed in retaliation for this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
Well those claims where there much, much earlier. Many nations like Hungary, France, Switzerland have had already paid a lot of money for their ww2 offences. Poland however was the only nation, that never collaborated with Nazi Germany, Poles just don't feel like they owe something to Jewish international community and most of Poles are also against claims of reparations from Germans. We know that they have no such money, that it will harm ordinary citizens and brake our relationships.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
-snip-
I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country. They deserve it.
Harsh words... no need to offend an entire nation my friend. I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country. They deserve it.
I really do hope your expectations won't come in to existence because, I'm not sure if Poland on it's own, can save Europe one more time.
I have a feeling this is being pushed in retaliation for this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
Germans learned squat after WWI and WWII.
I would not be surprised if they will be the root cause of WWIII. These people are sick to the core.
I hope Turks and Arabs will destroy their country. They deserve it.
I have a feeling this is being pushed in retaliation for this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html
Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
For a few decades Poland has been pressed by Israel, and recently even by USA, to pay compensation for heirless properties that in accordance with Polish inheritance law, were rightfully taken over by the Polish state.
Poland keeps refusing paying any compensation but the demands made by Jewish organisations only keep on growing, so clearly Poland needs to do something about it but fulfilling the demands would mean for Poland to be be literally colonised.
Heirless properties vs properties with heirs
For clarity, any heirs have legal paths to claim compensations from Poland and many of them did that. The issue is about compensation for heirless properties. The amount demanded by the state of Israel is about $300 billions.
It is a multiplicity of Poland's budget.
Jews in Poland - a historical note.
Jews have been living in Poland for at lest 750[1] years. They assimilated rather well with the society, mostly spoke Polish language and were good citizens. Jews in Poland have been enjoying full liberties as other Polish citizens did. Because Poland was their homeland Polish citizenship was the only citizenship they had. They were Polish citizens. In the census from 1931[2], out of 30m of Polish population around 3m were Jews. Poland had the highest number of Jews living in any country in the world, clearly, there must have been a reason why Jews chose to live in Poland in such great numbers. Jews were free to move to other countries but for some reason they chose to stay in Poland. The reason was obvious Jews knew that no other country would offer them greater freedom and privileges than Poland. So they did not move anywhere[3].
During WW2, 6 millions of Poles died, of which 3 millions were of Jewish origin, that means overwhelming majority of Jews living in Poland died. Because most of Jews left no heirs, by law, properties they owned was taken over by Polish State. Such move was in accordance with Polish inheritance law that is no different that inheritance law in many other countries deriving its inheritance law from Roman Law. In the end, these Jews that where killed in German death camps, were mostly Polish citizens. They lived in Poland, they spoke Polish language, to lesser or greater extent were assimilated with Polish communities. Because the scale of the Holocaust was so vast, the number of empty, ownerless properties was also big. In Warsaw case, German bombing flatten[4] out the whole districts, so properties needed to be rebuild from the ground up.
Nuremberg Trials and German compensations
Today, 70 years after the war, Nuremberg Trials are not part of common knowledge. In today's dollars, Germans have paid 14,500,000,000 dollars[5] to Israel for the Holocaust.
Compensation claims
From Israeli point of view Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust weren't Poles. There were Jews, so the compensation is a must. For that to happen, Israel demands from Poland to break it's own inheritance law and create precedence or some sort of tribal inheritance law. From Polish point of view, there is no issue at all, because inheritance law makes the case crystal clear. If there are living heirs they have opened legal paths through Polish courts to claim compensation.
Organisation like World Jewish Congress or State of Israel, that in no way are representing Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust, by Polish law have no right to demand any compensation whatsoever. By any objective legal measure, Poland hold the moral high-ground and does not need to worry about anything, however Israel is a superpower, both militarily and in media.
World Jewish Congress
In 1996, a chairman of World Jewish Congress[6], Israel Singer[7], said:
More than three million Jews died in Poland, and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again." If Poland did not satisfy Jewish claims it would be "publicly attacked and humiliated"[8]
US Senate bills S447 and H.R.1226
Last December American Jewish faction entered the game of compensation for heirless property by passing two bills that aim at putting even more pressure on Poland to change it's own inheritance law. That is bill S.447[9] and H.R.1226[10] that are a complete legal(or rather illegal) dud[11][12]
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Kalisz
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_census_of_1931
3. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-europe-before-the-holocaust-map
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3aGiurRbQ & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Singer
8. https://web.archive.org/web/20110719115337/http://zaprasza.net/a_y.php?mid=21357
9. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/447/text?format=txt
10. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1226
11. https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/78200.pdf
12. http://www.michalkiewicz.pl/do_sciagniecia/uklad_miedzy_rzadem_prl_a_rzadem_usa_dotyczacy_roszczen.pdf [indemnization
agreement USA-PRL(Poland) July 16, 1960 polish version]
In your posts please, stay away from anything related to Holocaust. I am bringing this up so that you don't have to. That chapter has been closed in Nuremberg a few decades ago. I am seeking a serious answer, political answer, on how Poland could play the ball, maintain moral high-ground, free itself from being bullied by Israel and USA and most importantly, avoid being taken over by Israel. What is the best political move that Poland can make to cease these compensation demands, made by no-heirs or by institutions that in no way represent Poles of Jewish origin that died of German national-socialists hands?
Poland keeps refusing paying any compensation but the demands made by Jewish organisations only keep on growing, so clearly Poland needs to do something about it but fulfilling the demands would mean for Poland to be be literally colonised.
Heirless properties vs properties with heirs
For clarity, any heirs have legal paths to claim compensations from Poland and many of them did that. The issue is about compensation for heirless properties. The amount demanded by the state of Israel is about $300 billions.
It is a multiplicity of Poland's budget.
Jews in Poland - a historical note.
Jews have been living in Poland for at lest 750[1] years. They assimilated rather well with the society, mostly spoke Polish language and were good citizens. Jews in Poland have been enjoying full liberties as other Polish citizens did. Because Poland was their homeland Polish citizenship was the only citizenship they had. They were Polish citizens. In the census from 1931[2], out of 30m of Polish population around 3m were Jews. Poland had the highest number of Jews living in any country in the world, clearly, there must have been a reason why Jews chose to live in Poland in such great numbers. Jews were free to move to other countries but for some reason they chose to stay in Poland. The reason was obvious Jews knew that no other country would offer them greater freedom and privileges than Poland. So they did not move anywhere[3].
During WW2, 6 millions of Poles died, of which 3 millions were of Jewish origin, that means overwhelming majority of Jews living in Poland died. Because most of Jews left no heirs, by law, properties they owned was taken over by Polish State. Such move was in accordance with Polish inheritance law that is no different that inheritance law in many other countries deriving its inheritance law from Roman Law. In the end, these Jews that where killed in German death camps, were mostly Polish citizens. They lived in Poland, they spoke Polish language, to lesser or greater extent were assimilated with Polish communities. Because the scale of the Holocaust was so vast, the number of empty, ownerless properties was also big. In Warsaw case, German bombing flatten[4] out the whole districts, so properties needed to be rebuild from the ground up.
Nuremberg Trials and German compensations
Today, 70 years after the war, Nuremberg Trials are not part of common knowledge. In today's dollars, Germans have paid 14,500,000,000 dollars[5] to Israel for the Holocaust.
Compensation claims
From Israeli point of view Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust weren't Poles. There were Jews, so the compensation is a must. For that to happen, Israel demands from Poland to break it's own inheritance law and create precedence or some sort of tribal inheritance law. From Polish point of view, there is no issue at all, because inheritance law makes the case crystal clear. If there are living heirs they have opened legal paths through Polish courts to claim compensation.
Organisation like World Jewish Congress or State of Israel, that in no way are representing Poles of Jewish origin that died in Holocaust, by Polish law have no right to demand any compensation whatsoever. By any objective legal measure, Poland hold the moral high-ground and does not need to worry about anything, however Israel is a superpower, both militarily and in media.
World Jewish Congress
In 1996, a chairman of World Jewish Congress[6], Israel Singer[7], said:
More than three million Jews died in Poland, and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this. (...) They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again." If Poland did not satisfy Jewish claims it would be "publicly attacked and humiliated"[8]
US Senate bills S447 and H.R.1226
Last December American Jewish faction entered the game of compensation for heirless property by passing two bills that aim at putting even more pressure on Poland to change it's own inheritance law. That is bill S.447[9] and H.R.1226[10] that are a complete legal(or rather illegal) dud[11][12]
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Kalisz
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_census_of_1931
3. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-europe-before-the-holocaust-map
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3aGiurRbQ & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress
7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Singer
8. https://web.archive.org/web/20110719115337/http://zaprasza.net/a_y.php?mid=21357
9. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/447/text?format=txt
10. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1226
11. https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/78200.pdf
12. http://www.michalkiewicz.pl/do_sciagniecia/uklad_miedzy_rzadem_prl_a_rzadem_usa_dotyczacy_roszczen.pdf [indemnization
agreement USA-PRL(Poland) July 16, 1960 polish version]
In your posts please, stay away from anything related to Holocaust. I am bringing this up so that you don't have to. That chapter has been closed in Nuremberg a few decades ago. I am seeking a serious answer, political answer, on how Poland could play the ball, maintain moral high-ground, free itself from being bullied by Israel and USA and most importantly, avoid being taken over by Israel. What is the best political move that Poland can make to cease these compensation demands, made by no-heirs or by institutions that in no way represent Poles of Jewish origin that died of German national-socialists hands?
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