Issue with wallet, restoring from seed creates a new wallet.

Mushroomized

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Sorry to necro this but I just thought I would post an update to serve as lesson learned

I started using electrum in late 2014/early 2015. I was drawn to it because I could save space on the blockchain download over the main core wallet.

What I did right
-Wrote down the seed when it prompted me at wallet creation
-kept backups of my wallet
-wrote the password down

However, I should have known better to trust an application like this with so much money (1.7btc). From now on I will be using offline generated keys to hold my savings.

I still wish that I could get refunded for this bug, however I understand that if it might have been out of the developers control. In his emails with me it did not qualify as a big enough issue to him to warrant a refund. Apparently my password check summed to something that caused the client to act strange? The big issue I have here is - why did the seed not work? I wrote it down and it just generated a new wallet. It seems like there was some issue with my created wallet from the start.

Anyway just figured if someone can learn anything from this that its not to trust anything but an offline key Tongue

Mushroomized

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 30, 2015, 11:33:22 PM

if all else fails and you trust me, PM me your seed and i'll try to recover it.

I may, soon. However I wish the developer would reply to my pms :~(

jonald_fyookball

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if all else fails and you trust me, PM me your seed and i'll try to recover it.

Mushroomized

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 30, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Quote from: Mushroomized on January 30, 2015, 03:51:53 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 28, 2015, 06:09:28 PM

Please verify that all 12 seed words are in the
electrum dictionary and are spelled correctly.

You can find the word list here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10258475

They are

Are you a electrum developer?

no...i just dabble.

btw, that brute force tool recently worked for some other guy
who had 1 wrong word on his seed.

im trying to think what could be wrong here...you wrote down your
seed, and all 12 words are in the dictionary, and you ran the
brute force tool? And you made sure to use the first receiving
address?

I think there was an issue when creating my wallet, giving me a seed for a different wallet. and showing up by making my wallet act weird now. I don't know if its going to be fixeable, lol

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Quote from: Mushroomized on January 30, 2015, 03:51:53 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 28, 2015, 06:09:28 PM

Please verify that all 12 seed words are in the
electrum dictionary and are spelled correctly.

You can find the word list here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10258475

They are

Are you a electrum developer?

no...i just dabble.

btw, that brute force tool recently worked for some other guy
who had 1 wrong word on his seed.

im trying to think what could be wrong here...you wrote down your
seed, and all 12 words are in the dictionary, and you ran the
brute force tool? And you made sure to use the first receiving
address?

Mushroomized

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 28, 2015, 06:09:28 PM

Please verify that all 12 seed words are in the
electrum dictionary and are spelled correctly.

You can find the word list here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10258475

They are

Are you a electrum developer?

jonald_fyookball

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Please verify that all 12 seed words are in the
electrum dictionary and are spelled correctly.

You can find the word list here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10258475

Mushroomized

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I don't think the seed it gave me is the right seed at all and running the tool is not giving me any results. To state my issues again...
Im typing in the password I have used to create the wallet, the seed it gave me seems to be for a completely different wallet all together.

When I use my password, I get strange results like

when trying to retrieve the key

and

sometimes when trying to send a payment

jonald_fyookball

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Mushroomized,

When you run my second tool...

do this first:

Go into your Receive tab on electrum, and click on the "used" tab
inside the main window; you will see all of your used addresses.
Use the first receiving used address as your "clue" in my tool.
That way we are sure to look at the right address clue.

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Quote from: btchris on January 15, 2015, 04:21:42 PM

Quote from: Mushroomized on January 15, 2015, 02:27:37 PM

Oh sorry, I ran the tool. What I mean is I think the seed I have is not correct at all for my wallet for some reason. I know there are no misspelling or plural words.

I think the question is did you run the second tool created by jonald_fyookball which assumes your seed is off by one word, and tries all possible seed combinations starting with that assumption (and takes a few hours to complete).

right...the second tool should go through all the iterations in about 5.5 hours and should spit out data to the console...
it will either say WOW FOUND YOUR SEED , or just go through all the combinations...let us know.

Also follow the previous suggestion of checking for plurals...

Unfortunately I can't really write another tool to brute force if words are out of order,
as 12! =479,000,000 combinations... will take too long.

EDIT: I suppose all combos of the 12 words aren't necessary.
Maybe we can just see if any two words are switched.

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Quote from: Mushroomized on January 15, 2015, 02:27:37 PM

Oh sorry, I ran the tool. What I mean is I think the seed I have is not correct at all for my wallet for some reason. I know there are no misspelling or plural words.

I think the question is did you run the second tool created by jonald_fyookball which assumes your seed is off by one word, and tries all possible seed combinations starting with that assumption (and takes a few hours to complete).

Mushroomized

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 15, 2015, 12:46:25 PM

Quote from: btcbot on January 15, 2015, 11:22:29 AM

Quote from: Mushroomized on January 14, 2015, 08:01:48 PM

Hmm it doesn't seem to be working. I think that the seed I have written is incorrect in some way, not sure how though. I appreciate the help though. I think im "Pretty Screwed"

Look for misspellings, words that seem to be similar, Anglicised spellings, mis-ordered words, plural words (shouldn't be any), etc. that may have happened when you wrote it down. You could probably write a little program based on jonald's tool that would re-arrange or use similar words until you got it?

Good luck.

good advice.

i'm trying to determine if he even ran the tool.

Oh sorry, I ran the tool. What I mean is I think the seed I have is not correct at all for my wallet for some reason. I know there are no misspelling or plural words.

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Quote from: btcbot on January 15, 2015, 11:22:29 AM

Quote from: Mushroomized on January 14, 2015, 08:01:48 PM

Hmm it doesn't seem to be working. I think that the seed I have written is incorrect in some way, not sure how though. I appreciate the help though. I think im "Pretty Screwed"

Look for misspellings, words that seem to be similar, Anglicised spellings, mis-ordered words, plural words (shouldn't be any), etc. that may have happened when you wrote it down. You could probably write a little program based on jonald's tool that would re-arrange or use similar words until you got it?

Good luck.

good advice.

i'm trying to determine if he even ran the tool.

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Quote from: Mushroomized on January 14, 2015, 08:01:48 PM

Hmm it doesn't seem to be working. I think that the seed I have written is incorrect in some way, not sure how though. I appreciate the help though. I think im "Pretty Screwed"

Look for misspellings, words that seem to be similar, Anglicised spellings, mis-ordered words, plural words (shouldn't be any), etc. that may have happened when you wrote it down. You could probably write a little program based on jonald's tool that would re-arrange or use similar words until you got it?

Good luck.

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Quote from: Mushroomized on January 14, 2015, 08:01:48 PM

Hmm it doesn't seem to be working. I think that the seed I have written is incorrect in some way, not sure how though. I appreciate the help though. I think im "Pretty Screwed"

doesnt work , how so?

Is my tool not running?

Mushroomized

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Hello!

Hmm it doesn't seem to be working. I think that the seed I have written is incorrect in some way, not sure how though. I appreciate the help though. I think im "Pretty Screwed"

jonald_fyookball

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New fyookball script here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=922987.new#new

Enjoy!

Let me know if that helps Mushroomized.

jonald_fyookball

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ok , im writing a loop to try to brute force the seed
assuming one word is wrong...

do you know how many receiving addresses you used?

Mushroomized

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 12, 2015, 06:37:55 PM

Mushroomed,

do you know a single address associated
with this electrum wallet?

Brute forcing for a single wrong word
will be easy, but if you don't know
the address we would have to check
balances using some API.

If you do know a single address,
we can write a simple loop to
go through 19,512 iterations
of wallets and see which seed
will generate the address you have.

yeah, i know the addresses. I can still open and see all transactions for this wallet, just cant decrypt it

jonald_fyookball

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Mushroomed,

do you know a single address associated
with this electrum wallet?

Brute forcing for a single wrong word
will be easy, but if you don't know
the address we would have to check
balances using some API.

If you do know a single address,
we can write a simple loop to
go through 19,512 iterations
of wallets and see which seed
will generate the address you have.

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