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Quote from: papa_snurf on November 21, 2017, 06:00:28 AM

Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 04:52:53 AM

"It is not a bubble" is what we hear every time from people invested in an asset hoping it will make them rich.

Before the dotcom bubble burst, dotcom shares were not a bubble said the people investing in shares. It can only go up they said. NASDAQ is going to the moon and will reach 100.000. They said. And then they lost.

Before the housing price bubble burst, house prices were not a bubble said people who were borrowing more and more money. It can only go up they said, because there will never be more land. They said. And then they lost.

It is so predictable that it is sad.

Bitcoin is currently as big as the ruble. Think about how big Russia is, withs its 140 millions inhabitants sand the second or third oil reserves in the world ( among many other things ). Bitcoin is as big as that, with no economy to back it up.

Exactly - with nothing to back it up. It is a mirage - it is not real. And like a mirage will evaporate in an instant.

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Nothing is permanent but when an opportunity presents itself to you, don't miss the train.
Don't go all in and Don't remain all out.

Rest will all depend on how much of a risk you are ready to take on.
There will be losses and there will be gains, but that happens with everything.

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Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 04:52:53 AM

"It is not a bubble" is what we hear every time from people invested in an asset hoping it will make them rich.

Before the dotcom bubble burst, dotcom shares were not a bubble said the people investing in shares. It can only go up they said. NASDAQ is going to the moon and will reach 100.000. They said. And then they lost.

Before the housing price bubble burst, house prices were not a bubble said people who were borrowing more and more money. It can only go up they said, because there will never be more land. They said. And then they lost.

It is so predictable that it is sad.

Bitcoin is currently as big as the ruble. Think about how big Russia is, withs its 140 millions inhabitants sand the second or third oil reserves in the world ( among many other things ). Bitcoin is as big as that, with no economy to back it up.

If Bitcoin grow by 20x, it will be in the same league as the USD. Think about it: a currency that currently supports up to 500k transaction a day ( which couldn't power a medium-sized city ) nearly as big as the USD.

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Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:45:20 AM

NASDAQ took more than 15 years to recover - many cannot wait for 15 years to get their money back

Indeed those that don't time their buying and selling well will get hurt. That's the nature of getting involved in markets.

Quote from: garytheasshole on November 21, 2017, 05:45:34 AM

Crypto has multiple bubbles, it's a bubble inside a bubble next to other bubbles.

That's exactly it, each one bigger than the last. We don't yet know how many more times this will happen before the market matures. At the moment this is still a market dominated by a few early adopters and enthusiasts so I think it's got a long way to go yet.

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Quote from: TheQuin on November 21, 2017, 05:43:27 AM

Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:36:52 AM

1.7 trillion was lost when the nasdaq crashed in the dotcom bubble

I didn't dispute that. I also don't dispute that one day a similar amount may be lost in crypto. I'm pointing out that Nasdaq recovered that $1.7 Trillion loss and is now valued at $8.13 trillion. Bitcoin and crypto have been through boom and bust cycles already, more will follow but that will not be the end.

Crypto has multiple bubbles, it's a bubble inside a bubble next to other bubbles.

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Quote from: TheQuin on November 21, 2017, 05:43:27 AM

Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:36:52 AM

1.7 trillion was lost when the nasdaq crashed in the dotcom bubble

I didn't dispute that. I also don't dispute that one day a similar amount may be lost in crypto. I'm pointing out that Nasdaq recovered that $1.7 Trillion loss and is now valued at $8.13 trillion. Bitcoin and crypto have been through boom and bust cycles already, more will follow but that will not be the end.

NASDAQ took more than 15 years to recover - many cannot wait for 15 years to get their money back

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Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:36:52 AM

1.7 trillion was lost when the nasdaq crashed in the dotcom bubble

I didn't dispute that. I also don't dispute that one day a similar amount may be lost in crypto. I'm pointing out that Nasdaq recovered that $1.7 Trillion loss and is now valued at $8.13 trillion. Bitcoin and crypto have been through boom and bust cycles already, more will follow but that will not be the end.

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Quote from: TheQuin on November 21, 2017, 05:35:59 AM

Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:23:41 AM

Going by that argument - 1.7 trillion was lost in the dotcom bubble. Bitcoins market cap is now about 1/10 of that. Wit the growth we are seeing in Bitcoin, we will reach that level in less a year. Poof, bubble bursts.

You must be looking at the market cap of the composite index rather than everything on the Nasdaq exchange which at last nights close was $8.13 Trillion.

1.7 trillion was lost when the nasdaq crashed in the dotcom bubble

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Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:23:41 AM

Going by that argument - 1.7 trillion was lost in the dotcom bubble. Bitcoins market cap is now about 1/10 of that. Wit the growth we are seeing in Bitcoin, we will reach that level in less a year. Poof, bubble bursts.

You must be looking at the market cap of the composite index rather than everything on the Nasdaq exchange which at last nights close was $8.13 Trillion.

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well, as history taught us that nothing is too big to fail, BTC is not immune and can happen in this crypto world as well but this is a bit catastrophic point of view.
Am i a believer? yes but i don't consider BTC a religion, for me it's an amazing project who's still going strong with an huge support by the community, despites all the fuds going around (like most of your topics), don't take it personally but like somebody said in this topic, it seems you are just salty because BTC is not yet dead.
Will it die? for sure but for me it will be replaced with something different because the technology behind to run it it's already there.
If it's a bubble i guess it will last longer than us but for now, the price is still growing and that's a fact.

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Bitcoin and other coins are bubble. Look at that temper of growth. Look at exponent growth. It can't be "natural". It is absolutely speculative. And also crypto is stiil not secured by anything phisical. What is the base of bitcoin? Code. Blockchain technology. That's all. So it is a bubble Grin

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Quote from: TheQuin on November 21, 2017, 05:19:31 AM

This might well be a bubble but it is one that has barely started. The dotcom bubble was measured in the trillions while cryptocurrencies are still in the billions.

Going by that argument - 1.7 trillion was lost in the dotcom bubble. Bitcoins market cap is now about 1/10 of that. Wit the growth we are seeing in Bitcoin, we will reach that level in less a year. Poof, bubble bursts.

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Many say it is a bubble because price change fast and most was thinking it will crash but till now price increase and many trusted companies trust in it make it a big chance to invest it

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All I know is that I know nothing.

you have been calling bitcoin a bubble for a long time, and each time you come here and call it a bubble for the past who knows how many years, the price keeps on rising. the thing about a bubble is that a bubble doesn't last many years! they shape up fast and burst suddenly. and the way up is not accompanied by any major corrections like the 20%-30% drops we had. that is contradicting what you have been trying to say here.

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Quote from: secondgarlic on November 21, 2017, 05:18:59 AM

Back then, everyone was investing in tech company stocks because the idea was that they couldn't fail whatever happened. But that's not the case for cryptocurrency, just look at altcoins, there are a lot of them which do not even take off.

But then it is exactly the same - all the religious followers of Bitcoin are all saying exactly that: "Bitcoin cannot fail no matter what happens. Just hodl".

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Quote from: freightjoe on November 21, 2017, 05:00:53 AM

In the dotcom bubble, at least there was a lower limit to the drop because there were companies actually providing goods or services to stop the drop in value

That's not entirely true as many of the dotcom bubble companies went bankrupt and no longer exist so their share value did indeed go to zero. What was left were the successful ones that are now some of the largest and most profitable companies on the planet.

This might well be a bubble but it is one that has barely started. The dotcom bubble was measured in the trillions while cryptocurrencies are still in the billions. Less than 5 million people out of a world population of 7.6 billion have a cryptocurrency wallet. There will be an inevitable bursting of the bubble, these things tend to do many repetitions. We've already seen busts back in 2012 and 2013, each time it came back stronger. How many more times will it do it? When will become a mature market like the Nasdaq? Who knows, but I think quite a few years yet.

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Calling it a bubble is fearmongering at this stage, in my opinion. The price is volatile, yes, but it is not even close to the dot com bubble. Back then, everyone was investing in tech company stocks because the idea was that they couldn't fail whatever happened. But that's not the case for cryptocurrency, just look at altcoins, there are a lot of them which do not even take off.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ruling out the eventual possibility of a bubble, but I don't see its indicators right now.

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Quote from: richlipkin on November 21, 2017, 05:14:19 AM

OP: So when did you sell your BTC? 2k? 3k?

Sounds like someone is salty that the value is now high and rising.

The old adage goes, "a bubble is a bull market you don't have a position in."

The same as we always see in a bubble - those who are in it will stop at nothing to make excuses to delude themselves into why it is not a bubble.

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OP: So when did you sell your BTC? 2k? 3k?

Sounds like someone is salty that the value is now high and rising.

The old adage goes, "a bubble is a bull market you don't have a position in."

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Many people also think about it and do not rule out such an outcome. It will be a tragedy for the followers of cryptocurrency if this happens.

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