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Quote from: hd49728 on October 12, 2022, 05:21:10 AM

Juventus know that if they sack Allegri, they must put the club into hands of a new coach. There is no guarantee that a new coach will be able to sort out this crisis. Allegri has had many seasons in Juventus and he understands about the club deeply. A new coach is not familiar with many of things there. I believe Juventus will give Allegri more time and they will make decision after the World Cup that ends in December.

Before sacking Allegri, Juventus must have the best candidate to fill the position left by Allegri. Every action taken must have careful planning, maybe Juventus are looking for the right coach before they sack Allegri. With Juventus' performance increasingly unclear, Juventus staff will not be able to calm down seeing their team struggling to improve their ranking in the standings. The change of coach is a solution for Juventus to get out of the problems they are facing.

Juventus must reflect on Chelsea who dared to take a stand by sacking Tuchel, after Chelsea squad was led by a new coach, they are now growing and winning victory after victory. Juventus have to do that if they don't want to sink further into the table.

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I felt so pity for AC Milan at the champions League last night against Chelsea for the penalty and red card which I disagree to the referee decisions in giving the red and refusing to go and look at the VAR, and for me that changes the game because you can't play a team like Chelsea in the champions League with one man down, I believe the game would have been a different results if it was not for the red card, and that lost keep them in a very difficult position to qualify from the group now, I think they are going Verona in the league this Sunday.

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Quote from: masulum on October 12, 2022, 10:05:33 AM

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Changing coaches may be a major problem because they do not match the strategy given by the new coach which ultimately makes the players play not according to the rules and not according to the instructions or directions from the coach so that the lack of teamwork that ultimately makes Juventus often get a very embarrassing defeat. Usually Juventus will follow the movement of PSG and match their game but it seems this season they are not able to do that.

Juventus need to learn from Atalanta, because Atalanta have kept Gasperini since 2016 both under difficult circumstances and when they enjoyed the euphoria of playing superbly in the UCL and snatching 3rd place in Serie A in several seasons. Sometimes patience will pay off. Likewise with AC Milan, although Pioli is not considered to be successful in giving the title, in fact he can prove it.

Juventus are not alone having a difficult season, we can see the Premier League where the big teams are in difficult circumstances. Even Manchester United have felt this way for years even worse than what Juventus is experiencing now. I think they have to prepare for the future, they have to start by regenerating the players. Because what I see they are recruiting more players who have lost their golden age.

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Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2022, 05:07:50 AM

One of the obstacles Juventus still can't sack Allegri is the severance pay if sacking him is still too high, but I'm not so sure about that.

Sunk-cost fallacy - the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial. This describes the present situation that Juventus is in with Allegri. Furthermore, I think that Vlahovic may be having some regrets about not moving to Arsenal earlier. I ask myself what is going to be the last straw that will break the camel's back for the management of Juventus to sack Allegri.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on October 12, 2022, 01:46:15 AM

Changing coaches may be a major problem because they do not match the strategy given by the new coach which ultimately makes the players play not according to the rules and not according to the instructions or directions from the coach so that the lack of teamwork that ultimately makes Juventus often get a very embarrassing defeat. Usually Juventus will follow the movement of PSG and match their game but it seems this season they are not able to do that.

Juventus need to learn from Atalanta, because Atalanta have kept Gasperini since 2016 both under difficult circumstances and when they enjoyed the euphoria of playing superbly in the UCL and snatching 3rd place in Serie A in several seasons. Sometimes patience will pay off. Likewise with AC Milan, although Pioli is not considered to be successful in giving the title, in fact he can prove it.

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Quote from: giammangiato on October 12, 2022, 08:44:36 AM

	CALCIATORE	Gol	Presenze	Rigori
1	Marko Arnautovic	6	9	2
1	Ciro Immobile	6	9	1
3	Paulo Dybala	5	8	1
3	Dusan Vlahovic	5	8	1
3	Beto	5	9	0
3	Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	5	9	0
7	Gabriel Strefezza	4	7	1
7	Boulaye Dia	4	8	0
7	Rafael Leao	4	8	0
7	Olivier Giroud	4	9	1
7	Teun Koopmeiners	4	9	2

first 4 guys are from
Milan, Lazio, Roma, Juventus

my beloved Juventus suffering in this period, i wait a reborn!

There's a news if Arsenal are still interested to sign Dusan Vlahovic in the early of 2023 despite Vlahovic have been refuse to join Arsenal and choose Juventus at few months before. Looking at the classement it seems hard for Juventus to achieve top 3 since there's many clubs are good especially Napoli. No one predict Napoli would become top 1 on Serie A, but they proving us now.

I must say Vlahovic have carrying Juventus even though they're still on 8th position, if he's leave Juventus, I couldn't imagine Juventus's performance without him.

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Quote from: hd49728 on October 12, 2022, 05:21:10 AM

Juventus know that if they sack Allegri, they must put the club into hands of a new coach. There is no guarantee that a new coach will be able to sort out this crisis. Allegri has had many seasons in Juventus and he understands about the club deeply. A new coach is not familiar with many of things there. I believe Juventus will give Allegri more time and they will make decision after the World Cup that ends in December.

Not only that, with what money can you exempt this coach and take another?
This perhaps people do not think about it, it seems to them that the money is infinite, but this is not the case at all (unfortunately).
So the situation is complex

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	CALCIATORE	Gol	Presenze	Rigori
1	Marko Arnautovic	6	9	2
1	Ciro Immobile	6	9	1
3	Paulo Dybala	5	8	1
3	Dusan Vlahovic	5	8	1
3	Beto	5	9	0
3	Khvicha Kvaratskhelia	5	9	0
7	Gabriel Strefezza	4	7	1
7	Boulaye Dia	4	8	0
7	Rafael Leao	4	8	0
7	Olivier Giroud	4	9	1
7	Teun Koopmeiners	4	9	2

first 4 guys are from
Milan, Lazio, Roma, Juventus

my beloved Juventus suffering in this period, i wait a reborn!

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Quote from: Sirait on October 12, 2022, 05:39:24 AM

Quote from: kamvreto on October 12, 2022, 05:23:12 AM

Allegri was criticized by Juventus fans a lot, how could it not be, Juventus suffered successive defeats which made him still in 3rd position in Group H and this is not a safe position. But even so Allegri is reluctant to resign because resigning is not a solution for him, even Allegri is increasingly eager to make positive changes for Juventus.
Allegri said the spirit to rise was so passionate within him. He will pass it on to the players so that Juventus can return to being a winning team.
Juventus' appearance in the Champions League this season has been in the spotlight of the fans. the article, Paul Pogba et al have only won one win from four matches and the rest ended in defeat.

how can juventus fans not be angry, it was haifa's first win in UCL since 2002. If Allegri is indeed a big-hearted person, he should resign from Juventus rather than continue to receive harsh criticism from various parties. this week juve have lost 2 times (against milan and haifa). I really feel bad luck when i put my money for juve when they face haifa. Next week Juve will face Torino, I'm tired of believing in Juve if Allegri is still there.

It must be a shame for juventus loosing 2 -0 against maccabi haifa. If allegri will not be sacked and then juventus fans will be angry to their team. It seems like the financial problem has become a problem that prevents management to sacked allegri.
I see that if owner has intention to sacked allegri as soon as possible, there are some media have been talking about what potential reason for juventus's management didn't wanna to sacked allegri before.
Compensation for him has become the main reason why he will not be sacked in short time.

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Quote from: hd49728 on October 12, 2022, 05:21:10 AM

Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2022, 05:07:50 AM

One of the obstacles Juventus still can't sack Allegri is the severance pay if sacking him is still too high, but I'm not so sure about that.

Likely it is a biggest or one of main reasons why Juventus are still very patient with Allegri. Compensation cost (if they sack him) is high and put the cost into current finance of Juventus, they are smart enough to delay it. They likely will be derank to Europa League but in Serie A, they still have chance to climb up and compete the season in top four.

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Because why keep him but destroy the team's performance and achievements, so of course Juventus must be willing to spend money to sack him because their pride is at stake here.

Juventus know that if they sack Allegri, they must put the club into hands of a new coach. There is no guarantee that a new coach will be able to sort out this crisis. Allegri has had many seasons in Juventus and he understands about the club deeply. A new coach is not familiar with many of things there. I believe Juventus will give Allegri more time and they will make decision after the World Cup that ends in December.

It was announced a few weeks ago that Alegre would have time until the end of the year. But this will not help him much if nothing changes. For Juventus, the top 4 could have been an acceptable result last season, when the team rose from the bottom of the standings. Much better results were expected this year, but Alegre could not perform a miracle, and why would this happen? At first, they were greedy on the transfer market (Alegre then had conflicts with the management because of this), and now they don’t want to part with Alegre for the same reason.

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I started to feel like Allegri's time is running out at Juventus. The Maccabi Haifa defeat must be a big influence on the board to rethink of their decision about keeping Allegri for long years. They couldn't even defeat a very weak opponent like Maccabi Haifa no matter they play away or home against them. This was another critical match for Juventus to maintain their chance for next round in the Champions League. But now they need a miracle against PSG and Benfica to revert things.

I think that Allegri is likely to get sacked before the end of the first half of the season if bad results keep coming in the Serie A as well.

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Juventus has been very down this season I think Juventus management should immediately take steps to change the coach, there have been many matches and opportunities given to Massimiliano Allegri but their performance has not improved.
changing coaches when the competition has started is not a bad thing and it is evident that several teams are now starting to improve after changing a new coach.
It is very unfortunate with what happened to Juventus, losing to an Israeli club is a very shameful thing because the quality of the team and the quality of the League of these two teams are very different.

I also have almost the same assessment as you about Juventus this season and Juventus' defeat in the Champions League group stage with Maccabi Haifa's team which is clearly not very strong, making Juventus look so weak this season. So that Juventus itself must be willing to fix this weakness and want to improve to be better so that Juventus can rise before the end of this season, because I also wonder why Juventus could lose without a goal reply to Maccabi Haifa in the Champions League group stage.

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Quote from: Sirait on October 12, 2022, 05:39:24 AM

Quote from: kamvreto on October 12, 2022, 05:23:12 AM

Allegri was criticized by Juventus fans a lot, how could it not be, Juventus suffered successive defeats which made him still in 3rd position in Group H and this is not a safe position. But even so Allegri is reluctant to resign because resigning is not a solution for him, even Allegri is increasingly eager to make positive changes for Juventus.
Allegri said the spirit to rise was so passionate within him. He will pass it on to the players so that Juventus can return to being a winning team.
Juventus' appearance in the Champions League this season has been in the spotlight of the fans. the article, Paul Pogba et al have only won one win from four matches and the rest ended in defeat.

how can juventus fans not be angry, it was haifa's first win in UCL since 2002. If Allegri is indeed a big-hearted person, he should resign from Juventus rather than continue to receive harsh criticism from various parties. this week juve have lost 2 times (against milan and haifa). I really feel bad luck when i put my money for juve when they face haifa. Next week Juve will face Torino, I'm tired of believing in Juve if Allegri is still there.

Allegri will never stop until his contract expires because when he decided to resign then Juventus needed a lot of money to give him severance pay, the Juventus manager had thought about kicking Allegri but his financial condition was not good for the manager to reconsider.

As for your money, you guessed the win wrong, then it has become a normal thing in gambling, you don't need to regret it because I am sure one day you will get a big profit with a big bet when you succeed in guessing a win in a match.

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Quote from: kamvreto on October 12, 2022, 05:23:12 AM

Allegri was criticized by Juventus fans a lot, how could it not be, Juventus suffered successive defeats which made him still in 3rd position in Group H and this is not a safe position. But even so Allegri is reluctant to resign because resigning is not a solution for him, even Allegri is increasingly eager to make positive changes for Juventus.
Allegri said the spirit to rise was so passionate within him. He will pass it on to the players so that Juventus can return to being a winning team.
Juventus' appearance in the Champions League this season has been in the spotlight of the fans. the article, Paul Pogba et al have only won one win from four matches and the rest ended in defeat.

how can juventus fans not be angry, it was haifa's first win in UCL since 2002. If Allegri is indeed a big-hearted person, he should resign from Juventus rather than continue to receive harsh criticism from various parties. this week juve have lost 2 times (against milan and haifa). I really feel bad luck when i put my money for juve when they face haifa. Next week Juve will face Torino, I'm tired of believing in Juve if Allegri is still there.

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Napoli attracted media these days but starting from tonight, it is Juventus that will take all the lights after their defeat in Champions League. They lost vs a team that didn't win a single game from the previous 3, barely scoring 2 goals and receiving 8.
Don't have an idea about the odds before the game but what's happening right now in Juve is not good at all.
The only thing that I heard is that Juve president said that Allegri won't be sacked after this defeat.

Yes we only focus on Napoli before, but after today, we have to look at Juventus, the team who have favorite to be champion now was in trouble, they are losing streak this week with Milan and Maccabi, it's quite sad for the club who have many potential players lost in a row, we don't know what happens, that much news out there about change coach, but many factors not only him, I guess.

Changing coaches may be a major problem because they do not match the strategy given by the new coach which ultimately makes the players play not according to the rules and not according to the instructions or directions from the coach so that the lack of teamwork that ultimately makes Juventus often get a very embarrassing defeat. Usually Juventus will follow the movement of PSG and match their game but it seems this season they are not able to do that.

One of the obstacles Juventus still can't sack Allegri is the severance pay if sacking him is still too high, but I'm not so sure about that. Because why keep him but destroy the team's performance and achievements, so of course Juventus must be willing to spend money to sack him because their pride is at stake here. About the odds before the start of the match is like this 4.50 : 1.75 but apart from that, top team losing streak by other top teams it doesn't matter but this Juventus case is very ruined. Juventus lost by a team that even Maccabi Haifa's level was far below Juventus from all existing factors such as from the side of the squad, player salaries and other facilities which of course Juventus had an above average advantage. But what happened was that Juventus lost 2-0, it would be a real disaster if Allegri was not replaced.

Allegri was criticized by Juventus fans a lot, how could it not be, Juventus suffered successive defeats which made him still in 3rd position in Group H and this is not a safe position. But even so Allegri is reluctant to resign because resigning is not a solution for him, even Allegri is increasingly eager to make positive changes for Juventus.
Allegri said the spirit to rise was so passionate within him. He will pass it on to the players so that Juventus can return to being a winning team.
Juventus' appearance in the Champions League this season has been in the spotlight of the fans. the article, Paul Pogba et al have only won one win from four matches and the rest ended in defeat.

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Quote from: hahay on October 12, 2022, 05:07:50 AM

One of the obstacles Juventus still can't sack Allegri is the severance pay if sacking him is still too high, but I'm not so sure about that.

Likely it is a biggest or one of main reasons why Juventus are still very patient with Allegri. Compensation cost (if they sack him) is high and put the cost into current finance of Juventus, they are smart enough to delay it. They likely will be derank to Europa League but in Serie A, they still have chance to climb up and compete the season in top four.

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Because why keep him but destroy the team's performance and achievements, so of course Juventus must be willing to spend money to sack him because their pride is at stake here.

Juventus know that if they sack Allegri, they must put the club into hands of a new coach. There is no guarantee that a new coach will be able to sort out this crisis. Allegri has had many seasons in Juventus and he understands about the club deeply. A new coach is not familiar with many of things there. I believe Juventus will give Allegri more time and they will make decision after the World Cup that ends in December.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on October 12, 2022, 01:46:15 AM

Quote from: blue Snow on October 11, 2022, 10:42:38 PM

Quote from: snipie on October 11, 2022, 03:25:01 PM

Napoli attracted media these days but starting from tonight, it is Juventus that will take all the lights after their defeat in Champions League. They lost vs a team that didn't win a single game from the previous 3, barely scoring 2 goals and receiving 8.
Don't have an idea about the odds before the game but what's happening right now in Juve is not good at all.
The only thing that I heard is that Juve president said that Allegri won't be sacked after this defeat.

Yes we only focus on Napoli before, but after today, we have to look at Juventus, the team who have favorite to be champion now was in trouble, they are losing streak this week with Milan and Maccabi, it's quite sad for the club who have many potential players lost in a row, we don't know what happens, that much news out there about change coach, but many factors not only him, I guess.

Changing coaches may be a major problem because they do not match the strategy given by the new coach which ultimately makes the players play not according to the rules and not according to the instructions or directions from the coach so that the lack of teamwork that ultimately makes Juventus often get a very embarrassing defeat. Usually Juventus will follow the movement of PSG and match their game but it seems this season they are not able to do that.

One of the obstacles Juventus still can't sack Allegri is the severance pay if sacking him is still too high, but I'm not so sure about that. Because why keep him but destroy the team's performance and achievements, so of course Juventus must be willing to spend money to sack him because their pride is at stake here. About the odds before the start of the match is like this 4.50 : 1.75 but apart from that, top team losing streak by other top teams it doesn't matter but this Juventus case is very ruined. Juventus lost by a team that even Maccabi Haifa's level was far below Juventus from all existing factors such as from the side of the squad, player salaries and other facilities which of course Juventus had an above average advantage. But what happened was that Juventus lost 2-0, it would be a real disaster if Allegri was not replaced.

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Quote from: Strongkored on October 12, 2022, 03:13:55 AM

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Juventus has been very down this season I think Juventus management should immediately take steps to change the coach, there have been many matches and opportunities given to Massimiliano Allegri but their performance has not improved.
changing coaches when the competition has started is not a bad thing and it is evident that several teams are now starting to improve after changing a new coach.
It is very unfortunate with what happened to Juventus, losing to an Israeli club is a very shameful thing because the quality of the team and the quality of the League of these two teams are very different.

If they do not replace Alegri immediately, not because management still believes that he will be able to bring Juve out of the current difficult situation but because it is more to the economic factors (I have posted this before) with a world economic situation that worsen it would have an impact on finance Football clubs including Juventus, may soon hear that there will be a club that has difficulty paying the players' salaries.
What can be described from the current Juve situation is bad and worse because they have not found a way to improve the situation, If the coach was changed, there was no guarantee that they would soon improve, and I remember they were quite stumbling in the past last season and began to improve gradually.
But losing to a team that is not considered at all is painful and who is happy from this result is the people who bet on Haifa my guess they got big profit from the match result

boy the problem is certainly not Allegri
Juventus is lacking money, otherwise they would have made a decent signing campaign

do you think that another coach with these bruised and broken players can do better?

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Juventus has been very down this season I think Juventus management should immediately take steps to change the coach, there have been many matches and opportunities given to Massimiliano Allegri but their performance has not improved.
changing coaches when the competition has started is not a bad thing and it is evident that several teams are now starting to improve after changing a new coach.
It is very unfortunate with what happened to Juventus, losing to an Israeli club is a very shameful thing because the quality of the team and the quality of the League of these two teams are very different.

If they do not replace Alegri immediately, not because management still believes that he will be able to bring Juve out of the current difficult situation but because it is more to the economic factors (I have posted this before) with a world economic situation that worsen it would have an impact on finance Football clubs including Juventus, may soon hear that there will be a club that has difficulty paying the players' salaries.
What can be described from the current Juve situation is bad and worse because they have not found a way to improve the situation, If the coach was changed, there was no guarantee that they would soon improve, and I remember they were quite stumbling in the past last season and began to improve gradually.
But losing to a team that is not considered at all is painful and who is happy from this result is the people who bet on Haifa my guess they got big profit from the match result

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Quote from: blue Snow on October 11, 2022, 10:42:38 PM

Quote from: snipie on October 11, 2022, 03:25:01 PM

Napoli attracted media these days but starting from tonight, it is Juventus that will take all the lights after their defeat in Champions League. They lost vs a team that didn't win a single game from the previous 3, barely scoring 2 goals and receiving 8.
Don't have an idea about the odds before the game but what's happening right now in Juve is not good at all.
The only thing that I heard is that Juve president said that Allegri won't be sacked after this defeat.

Yes we only focus on Napoli before, but after today, we have to look at Juventus, the team who have favorite to be champion now was in trouble, they are losing streak this week with Milan and Maccabi, it's quite sad for the club who have many potential players lost in a row, we don't know what happens, that much news out there about change coach, but many factors not only him, I guess.

Changing coaches may be a major problem because they do not match the strategy given by the new coach which ultimately makes the players play not according to the rules and not according to the instructions or directions from the coach so that the lack of teamwork that ultimately makes Juventus often get a very embarrassing defeat. Usually Juventus will follow the movement of PSG and match their game but it seems this season they are not able to do that.

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