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Quote from: blackened515 on May 29, 2022, 06:04:05 PM

yes I agree with you Cristiano Ronaldo's move had a lot of impact on Juventus' performance at the start of the season.
For your information, Ronaldo joined the Bianconeri for three years to be exact from 2018. Together with his squad, he managed to bring Juventus to two Italian League titles in the 2018-2019, 2019-2020 season. Not only that, CR7 managed to bring Juventus to the Italian Super Cup title in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 twice. Then once lifted the Coppa Italia title in the 2020/2021 season.

Indeed, Ronaldo was productive to Juventus. His absence was really felt in Juventus when he departed to United. Is now certain that Ronaldo was their goal machine. But they Unfortunately lost him to Manchester United. If you observe closely, you will probably discover that the Old Lady were unable to compete for the League title this season. However, until they get an experienced and talented player to replace Ronaldo, they won't be able to win the Scudetto again.

After Ronaldo returned to Manchester United, Juventus suffered a huge loss, Juventus' appearance declined further because they lost the goal machine that has always been a mainstay in their front line. The money obtained from Ronaldo's transfer was used to buy Dusan Vlahovic from Fiorentina, Juventus really hopes Dusan Vlahovic can replace Ronaldo after his slick appearance at Fiorentina. Number 7 was immediately given to Dusan Vlahovic, but Juventus made the wrong decision, Dusan Vlahovic was not able to boost Juventus' performance and had to settle for finishing fourth at the end of the season.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 29, 2022, 05:06:15 PM

Ronaldo gait at Juventus so far has been quite good and he helped Juventus win several domestic cups, but unfortunately Juventus, which previously brought Ronaldo to get the Champions League trophy, had to bite their fingers because they continued to fail in Europe, even so after Ronaldo left for Manchester, juventus looks quite shaky, the proof is that we can see at the beginning of the season how bad the performance of juventus was after ronaldo left and they didn't even enter the Scudetto competition this season and this clearly shows that juventus dependence on ronaldo is very big.

yes I agree with you Cristiano Ronaldo's move had a lot of impact on Juventus' performance at the start of the season.
For your information, Ronaldo joined the Bianconeri for three years to be exact from 2018. Together with his squad, he managed to bring Juventus to two Italian League titles in the 2018-2019, 2019-2020 season. Not only that, CR7 managed to bring Juventus to the Italian Super Cup title in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 twice. Then once lifted the Coppa Italia title in the 2020/2021 season.

Indeed, Ronaldo was productive to Juventus. His absence was really felt in Juventus when he departed to United. Is now certain that Ronaldo was their goal machine. But they Unfortunately lost him to Manchester United. If you observe closely, you will probably discover that the Old Lady were unable to compete for the League title this season. However, until they get an experienced and talented player to replace Ronaldo, they won't be able to win the Scudetto again.

After the departure of Ronaldo, Juventus actually lost the attacking mindset that they had. They really struggled to score many goals and that is a big reason why they could not do better in the Italian League. They got Dušan who is certainly not ideal. He has a lot of potential but he is not experienced enough yet.

But honestly, I think Dybala not playing for the club next season might be actually better for them because they can get a player who will be motivated to do better and I hope there will bring in a player with a little bit more experience. In that way, Dybala will also be able to learn some things from him.

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Quote from: Altryist on May 28, 2022, 01:03:06 PM

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Speaking in terms of entertainment and intrigue, this is undoubtedly one of the best seasons in Serie A. But I would say that this happened not because the other clubs became stronger, but because Juventus became weaker. And this is a big problem, since, for example, for betters, betting on favorites in Serie A was a pain in the ass Grin

Here I completely agree with you, Juventus can't get the game up, Serie A has remained the same, only Juventus has changed. I really hoped that Alegre would be able to improve the game in the team and by the end of the season they will become the same team that can beat anyone in Serie A, but in fact this did not happen, their game is still not confident, and I have the most complaints about them defense.

I don't really care much about Juventus' problems in Serie A as I will continue to root for Napoli next season. I'm more concerned about the performance of Italian teams in the international arena - this season was a failure (we will not take into account the local success of Roma). In terms of names next season, Italy will present 4 great teams (well, or 3 plus Napoli), but judging by what is happening now in the transfer market, they will all be far behind the clubs from the Premier League and La Liga, even if they improve the quality of their game. I would say it's unfortunate as the Italian teams are very suitable to put in place the moneybags (City and PSG) against which I'm rooting Grin

I also think that the Italian teams are way behind in terms of power compared to teams in La Liga and English Premier League. That type of performance that they have shown in the international area is far from satisfactory.

If they actually want to do better in the international area they will have to make some changes and be very active in the transfer market. If we just look at the performance and the quality of the teams between the Italian League and English Premier league you will see a very big difference.

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Quote from: Altryist on May 29, 2022, 11:19:34 AM

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Since Ronaldo left Juventus, Juventus have been having a lot of trouble scoring goals. They have scored just 57 goals this season. Lazio, who is in the fifth position on the table, has scored 77 goals. Juventus' current squad is not fit to win the title. If Juventus want to win the title next season, they must have an experienced striker. Juventus will have a lot of trouble scoring this season if they do not have an experienced sticker.

They bought Vlahovic, but he is too young and inexperienced, he still has a lot to learn. Juventus have a lot of problematic positions that they need to work from, which requires big finances. I still consider Szczesnykh a weak goalkeeper, he has very good matches, but his problem is that he is not stable and is capable of making very big mistakes. A team of this level, especially a team that has always been famous for its defense, needs corresponding goalkeeper.

The goalkeeper is obviously not the best and especially at this level of football. They also did bring in replacements but that was not the greatest in my opinion.

Yes, the player, Dušan Vlahović does have a lot of potential but you know, he obviously is still new and has a lot to learn. And the problem eventually starts from the midfield which is the weakest link of Juventus as of now. They obviously need to fix the problem in midfield first. And I believe eventually they will get a better GK.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 29, 2022, 04:08:39 PM

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As far as I can see, the midfield is Juventus' biggest weakness now. I'm really curious about the reason why they haven't still signed some solid midfielders. They must already be aware of this problem which is getting bigger for them. I wonder if it was money related and they didn't sign any big player as a result. They signed Vlahovic and spent a lot of money for him too. However I still expect to see them going for decent midfielders to strengthen the position. This can be very helpful for them next season.

I am hearing some rumors about Pogba returning to Juventus and I believe if that happens the midfield will be a lot stronger. I think that is a reason why they are not spending money right now. They are waiting to see what happens, I think and obviously, they are a little bit restricted in terms of money and I think that's why they are waiting things out for now.

Quote from: BuNga_cute on May 29, 2022, 05:37:43 PM

The problem is that Juventus is not handling their players well. They have made some good transfers but they have turned out to be a little questionable over time. Recently the decision of letting Dybala go is also not a popular one.

Do you mean they sometimes decide carelessly regarding player transfers?
In Dybala's case, he is no longer interested to play in Juventus, why does Juventus need to keep a player with no motivation to play? I think letting Dybala leave is the right way, but Juventus should find a new player that can fill his position properly. There is still a lot of time before the next season begins, I am sure Juventus will find out a new player that has a similar capability to Dybala.

I believe that they're good to have asked Dybala to stay if they really wanted to but they did not even make any attempt to make him stay. He was a very important player for Juventus in my opinion. His staying in the club would have really helped but the club obviously thought otherwise. Juventus is trying to make the midfield really strong right now but I hope they don't weaken the defense trying to do that.

It is true that Juventus need quality midfielders, because one of Juventus weak points is in the midfield. Therefore, Juventus is currently trying
to bring back Paul Pogba, because Pogba proved to have played well with Juventus before deciding to move to Man United. According to rumors
Pogba is getting closer to rejoining Juventus. Moreover, there is news that Pogba is willing to take a big enough salary cut in order to rejoin Juventus.
Apart from Pogba, Juventus are also trying to bring in Angel Di Maria and Jorginho. If it is true that Juventus can get these three players,
next season the Juventus midfield is getting more solid and Juventus should be able to win the Serie A trophy.

Juventus also knows that their midfield is not the strongest and they are obviously trying to fix that by bringing in some good players in form of Pogba, and di Maria. I believe if they can bring these players successfully it will be really great for the midfield position of Juventus. And I also believe that these players are not going to cost too much. As Pogba has agreed to take pay cuts to play for Juventus. These guys might be old but I'm sure that they are not obsolete.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on May 29, 2022, 07:33:48 PM

As the summer is almost here, the transfers would start to be seen slowly too. One of the probable transfers I'm curious about is whether Inter will be wishing to see Romelu Lukaku back in the squad. I'd like you to remember that his last time with Inter was amazing in the Serie A. He scored so many goals and made many assists as well. He liked playing for them a lot and he still seems to be willing to come back. He made a great duo with Martinez back then so maybe the team would like reunite them again.

Romelu Lukaku is reported to be ready to do everything he can to leave Chelsea and return to Inter Milan and it is also reported that Romelu Lukaku is also ready to have his salary cut, because Romelu Lukaku is also not happy and has received several complaints under Thomas Tuchel, but the problem is the fans Inter Milan is already hurt by Romelu Lukaku, because he has betrayed Inter and left for Chelsea, I personally think that it is very likely that Inter fans will no longer accept Romelu Lukaku back to Inter Milan.

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Quote from: blackened515 on May 29, 2022, 06:04:05 PM

Ronaldo gait at Juventus so far has been quite good and he helped Juventus win several domestic cups, but unfortunately Juventus, which previously brought Ronaldo to get the Champions League trophy, had to bite their fingers because they continued to fail in Europe, even so after Ronaldo left for Manchester, juventus looks quite shaky, the proof is that we can see at the beginning of the season how bad the performance of juventus was after ronaldo left and they didn't even enter the Scudetto competition this season and this clearly shows that juventus dependence on ronaldo is very big.

yes I agree with you Cristiano Ronaldo's move had a lot of impact on Juventus' performance at the start of the season. For your information, Ronaldo joined the Bianconeri for three years to be exact from 2018. Together with his squad, he managed to bring Juventus to two Italian League titles in the 2018-2019, 2019-2020 season. Not only that, CR7 managed to bring Juventus to the Italian Super Cup title in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 twice. Then once lifted the Coppa Italia title in the 2020/2021 season.

Indeed, Ronaldo was productive to Juventus. His absence was really felt in Juventus when he departed to United. Is now certain that Ronaldo was their goal machine. But they Unfortunately lost him to Manchester United. If you observe closely, you will probably discover that the Old Lady were unable to compete for the League title this season. However, until they get an experienced and talented player to replace Ronaldo, they won't be able to win the Scudetto again.

Actually, there is a big Juventus fault in parting with Ronaldo, when the club did not want to extend the contract with the player and wanted him to only play one more season before the end of the contract. I think the Juventus management underestimated the role that Ronaldo played at the club, thinking that nothing serious would happen with the player's departure. It reminds me that something similar is happening now with Lewandowski and with Bayern Munich. I still don't think that the reason for Juventus' current failures is precisely the lack of experienced players, but rather the problem is the lack of players who could lead the team at times when it is necessary to change the course of the game in their direction.

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As the summer is almost here, the transfers would start to be seen slowly too. One of the probable transfers I'm curious about is whether Inter will be wishing to see Romelu Lukaku back in the squad. I'd like you to remember that his last time with Inter was amazing in the Serie A. He scored so many goals and made many assists as well. He liked playing for them a lot and he still seems to be willing to come back. He made a great duo with Martinez back then so maybe the team would like reunite them again.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 29, 2022, 04:08:39 PM

Ronaldo gait at Juventus so far has been quite good and he helped Juventus win several domestic cups, but unfortunately Juventus, which previously brought Ronaldo to get the Champions League trophy, had to bite their fingers because they continued to fail in Europe, even so after Ronaldo left for Manchester, juventus looks quite shaky, the proof is that we can see at the beginning of the season how bad the performance of juventus was after ronaldo left and they didn't even enter the Scudetto competition this season and this clearly shows that juventus dependence on ronaldo is very big.

yes I agree with you Cristiano Ronaldo's move had a lot of impact on Juventus' performance at the start of the season.
For your information, Ronaldo joined the Bianconeri for three years to be exact from 2018. Together with his squad, he managed to bring Juventus to two Italian League titles in the 2018-2019, 2019-2020 season. Not only that, CR7 managed to bring Juventus to the Italian Super Cup title in 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 twice. Then once lifted the Coppa Italia title in the 2020/2021 season.

Indeed, Ronaldo was productive to Juventus. His absence was really felt in Juventus when he departed to United. Is now certain that Ronaldo was their goal machine. But they Unfortunately lost him to Manchester United. If you observe closely, you will probably discover that the Old Lady were unable to compete for the League title this season. However, until they get an experienced and talented player to replace Ronaldo, they won't be able to win the Scudetto again.

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 28, 2022, 05:55:14 PM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 28, 2022, 05:39:11 PM

I believe Juventus will be able to improve their performance much more by the coming season. They started to perform better especially after they signed Vlahovic. He made their attacking line stronger than before.

Too early to judge they will improve their performance. The problem in Juventus isn't only about the attacking line, but they also have problems in both midfield and defend lines. So, the problem is quite complicated. Another problem, the players have no good mentality as the winning team anymore. The coach must fix this if Juventus wants to improve their performance in the next season.

Juventus has certainly lost their dominance in the Italian league. Now they are not the best team but they still are one of the better without any doubt. The problem is that Juventus is not handling their players well. They have made some good transfers but they have turned out to be a little questionable over time. Recently the decision of letting Dybala go is also not a popular one. And obviously, I agree that the defense and midfield are also not one of the best. They need to make changes in the squad. At least at a level so that they will be able to compete with the current better teams in the league like Inter and Milan.

As far as I can see, the midfield is Juventus' biggest weakness now. I'm really curious about the reason why they haven't still signed some solid midfielders. They must already be aware of this problem which is getting bigger for them. I wonder if it was money related and they didn't sign any big player as a result. They signed Vlahovic and spent a lot of money for him too. However I still expect to see them going for decent midfielders to strengthen the position. This can be very helpful for them next season.

It is true that Juventus need quality midfielders, because one of Juventus weak points is in the midfield. Therefore, Juventus is currently trying
to bring back Paul Pogba, because Pogba proved to have played well with Juventus before deciding to move to Man United. According to rumors
Pogba is getting closer to rejoining Juventus. Moreover, there is news that Pogba is willing to take a big enough salary cut in order to rejoin Juventus.
Apart from Pogba, Juventus are also trying to bring in Angel Di Maria and Jorginho. If it is true that Juventus can get these three players,
next season the Juventus midfield is getting more solid and Juventus should be able to win the Serie A trophy.

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Quote from: zuzie on May 29, 2022, 01:16:54 AM

The problem is that Juventus is not handling their players well. They have made some good transfers but they have turned out to be a little questionable over time. Recently the decision of letting Dybala go is also not a popular one.

Do you mean they sometimes decide carelessly regarding player transfers?
In Dybala's case, he is no longer interested to play in Juventus, why does Juventus need to keep a player with no motivation to play? I think letting Dybala leave is the right way, but Juventus should find a new player that can fill his position properly. There is still a lot of time before the next season begins, I am sure Juventus will find out a new player that has a similar capability to Dybala.

I think it's just a matter of team cohesion, Massimiliano Allegri must be able to restore the confidence of the players.

The question is "when it is"?
It is not an easy job to restore the players' confidence.
Allegri may spend some seasons to return the player in the best form.

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Quote from: Altryist on May 28, 2022, 01:03:06 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on May 28, 2022, 10:02:06 AM

Speaking in terms of entertainment and intrigue, this is undoubtedly one of the best seasons in Serie A. But I would say that this happened not because the other clubs became stronger, but because Juventus became weaker. And this is a big problem, since, for example, for betters, betting on favorites in Serie A was a pain in the ass Grin

Here I completely agree with you, Juventus can't get the game up, Serie A has remained the same, only Juventus has changed. I really hoped that Alegre would be able to improve the game in the team and by the end of the season they will become the same team that can beat anyone in Serie A, but in fact this did not happen, their game is still not confident, and I have the most complaints about them defense.

I don't really care much about Juventus' problems in Serie A as I will continue to root for Napoli next season. I'm more concerned about the performance of Italian teams in the international arena - this season was a failure (we will not take into account the local success of Roma). In terms of names next season, Italy will present 4 great teams (well, or 3 plus Napoli), but judging by what is happening now in the transfer market, they will all be far behind the clubs from the Premier League and La Liga, even if they improve the quality of their game. I would say it's unfortunate as the Italian teams are very suitable to put in place the moneybags (City and PSG) against which I'm rooting Grin

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Quote from: lalabotax on May 28, 2022, 05:55:14 PM

Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 28, 2022, 05:39:11 PM

I believe Juventus will be able to improve their performance much more by the coming season. They started to perform better especially after they signed Vlahovic. He made their attacking line stronger than before.

Too early to judge they will improve their performance. The problem in Juventus isn't only about the attacking line, but they also have problems in both midfield and defend lines. So, the problem is quite complicated. Another problem, the players have no good mentality as the winning team anymore. The coach must fix this if Juventus wants to improve their performance in the next season.

Juventus has certainly lost their dominance in the Italian league. Now they are not the best team but they still are one of the better without any doubt. The problem is that Juventus is not handling their players well. They have made some good transfers but they have turned out to be a little questionable over time. Recently the decision of letting Dybala go is also not a popular one. And obviously, I agree that the defense and midfield are also not one of the best. They need to make changes in the squad. At least at a level so that they will be able to compete with the current better teams in the league like Inter and Milan.

As far as I can see, the midfield is Juventus' biggest weakness now. I'm really curious about the reason why they haven't still signed some solid midfielders. They must already be aware of this problem which is getting bigger for them. I wonder if it was money related and they didn't sign any big player as a result. They signed Vlahovic and spent a lot of money for him too. However I still expect to see them going for decent midfielders to strengthen the position. This can be very helpful for them next season.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 29, 2022, 08:20:40 AM

Ronaldo gait at Juventus so far has been quite good and he helped Juventus win several domestic cups, but unfortunately Juventus, which previously brought Ronaldo to get the Champions League trophy, had to bite their fingers because they continued to fail in Europe, even so after Ronaldo left for Manchester, juventus looks quite shaky, the proof is that we can see at the beginning of the season how bad the performance of juventus was after ronaldo left and they didn't even enter the Scudetto competition this season and this clearly shows that juventus dependence on ronaldo is very big.

The role of this player is indeed quite influential, so it's not surprising that when he left, Juventus' performance dropped drastically there, maybe even for now there are still many Juventus who still don't like Ronaldo due to his move to MU which made the Juventus team feel a big impact.
Regardless of what it is, this player's performance at every club he has visited has never disappointed

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Quote from: bitjoin on May 29, 2022, 06:59:29 AM

Ronaldo's position at Juventus was only as a complement, when Ronaldo came, Juventus was at the peak of its glory. Ronaldo came to Juventus at the right time, even without Ronaldo Juventus had won the Italian League in a row. Now just look at Manchester United's performance, if Juventus' success is considered the Ronaldo effect, why at Manchester United Ronaldo cannot improve Manchester United's performance.

No, when at Juventus ronaldo became Juventus' goal machine. If I'm not mistaken he made 101 goals during his 134 games with Juventus. So at that time Juve became in need of Ronaldo, when Roaldo Was absent Juve often had difficulty scoring goals. The problem continued when ronaldo left, Dybala could not perform consistently, Morata was the same. They kind of lost confidence making it difficult to score. In fact they were hard to win in the early match after ronaldo left.

Source: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo

Ronaldo's departure at that time was indeed one of the factors that made Juventus slump in this regard. and indeed it was proven when he was not there indirectly their performance dropped drastically because there was no goal machine there.
But for now, I don't think it's appropriate to discuss something that is over, especially now that there is a substitute for Ronaldo who is still quite good, namely Dusan who is already there and puts on a pretty good performance for Juventus.

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Quote from: hahay on May 29, 2022, 06:16:27 AM

Ronaldo only contributed a little for Juventus I mean, Ronaldo came to Juventus when Juventus had won his consecutive title and Ronaldo didn't start from the beginning for the Juventus title streak. That's why I say Ronaldo has only contributed a little to Juventus, so with his departure I don't think it's a problem. There will always be times where they succeed and fail and this is part of a good competition, because if Juventus continued to win titles, Serie A would not be interesting. Also, according to rumors that at least Juventus will get top players, hopefully that will come true about Di Maria and Pogba and Juventus back in the title race next season.

Juventus dominated the Serie A title for a long time, which was won in a row from the 2011-2012 season to the 2019-2020 season. Juventus seems unmatched in Serie A with a total of 9 consecutive titles in 11 seasons and they have only failed in the last 2 seasons. Last season Inter managed to break the dominance of Juventus, and this season Milan became the second team to win it in the last 11 seasons.

Maybe Juventus can get him back next season especially if they manage to bring some good players into their squad. Pogba and Di Maria are good for them, so if both manage to sign contracts and agree to join then Juventus will be even better next season. But as a football fan, I don't think one team's dominance in one of Europe's big leagues is good because to be honest it's proof there is no equal competition for the other teams that participate every season.

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Quote from: maju69 on May 29, 2022, 12:33:26 PM

It's interesting to look at the entirety of Serie A this season, this League has increased its competitive rivalry in recent years and it's a pleasure to watch. In the next season I hope this kind of competition will happen again here, or even more than this season. An opportunity that must be used as best as possible for Serie A teams to prepare the team for the next season.

The Serie A League was very interesting last season. There were great competition among teams. Inter Milan and AC Milan especially. I think next season will be more entertaining because Inter will struggle to ensure they probably win the Scudetto. While Lazio who failed to secure a space in the Champion League next season, won't want to make the same mistake again. Although, most of the clubs will definitely strengthen their squad with talented players in order to withstand the challenges ahead.

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Quote from: bitjoin on May 29, 2022, 06:59:29 AM

Ronaldo's position at Juventus was only as a complement, when Ronaldo came, Juventus was at the peak of its glory. Ronaldo came to Juventus at the right time, even without Ronaldo Juventus had won the Italian League in a row. Now just look at Manchester United's performance, if Juventus' success is considered the Ronaldo effect, why at Manchester United Ronaldo cannot improve Manchester United's performance.

To be fair, they were bad even with Ronaldo right before he left. He is a great player there is no doubt about that and I am sure he could play a few more seasons at a top level for sure. However, he is not the type of player that can turn a team into a monster anymore, he is good, but not THAT good anymore.

If you put him on City or Liverpool or Madrid, he could win a lot because those teams are already great, but if you put him on Leipzig today (or even United works for this metaphor) he is not winning any titles because the team around him is not that great. This is his problem, he doesn't pick teams that would already fight for a title, and give them an edge, he just goes to teams that will lose anyway.

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