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Quote from: Fesatmas on September 10, 2022, 12:56:22 AM

Quote from: Sirait on September 09, 2022, 11:24:59 PM

4-0 defeat to Udinese and 1-0 loss to Ludogorets made many fans doubt Jose Mourinho. Roma's next match will face Empoli, hopefully Roma won't disappoint again, because there are enough gamblers who have lost because of them, including me.

Honestly, I wonder why they doubted Jose Mourinho just because they saw this defeat to Udinese. It was unexpected, but I didn't see anything significant that Jose Mourinho did in this match. I prefer to see their luck was not good in that match, causing a crushing defeat. However Jose has managed to change AS Roma for the better, so he shouldn't accept something like this just one defeat.

Many other teams do this. especially early in the season. Roma fans aren't the only ones who have had a negative response to the coach due to a lackluster performance.
in the premier league, there are Liverpool and several other teams that do get criticism from fans. I think the response of the Roma fans was also due to Mourinho's attitude which underestimated the defeat that Roma received.
I hope this will end soon. Mourinho will improve the performance and the team will return to a good trend in the competition.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 09, 2022, 06:12:43 PM

Quote from: Sterbens on September 08, 2022, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 08, 2022, 05:07:30 AM

Morinho is very frustrated at the loss,but if he straightens and addresses the issues and problems that made him loose,he will be able to defeat Empoli,but if he neglects it,thesame tactics Udinese used in winning them will also be used and they will still defeat his team despite the record they have against Empoli.Roma was doing well this season,therefore,they shouldn't allow the defeat to affect them mentally,because if it does,it will be very bad for the team,and it will affect the moral of the team.

I trust Jose Mourinho in terms of his mentality as a coach, and I'm sure he will apply what he has to his team as well. Indeed the defeat was surprising and will definitely affect the team a bit. But I think Jose Mourinho will quickly get their mentality back for the next game. They must win the match in order to really restore the morale of the team.

How can you trust Mourinho? My feeling is that he doesn't care all too much about the clubs he is managing. He has achieved so much that he knows it doesn't matter what the press says. I wish he could be the Mourinho we all know, but he has calmed down so much over the years. It is a fact. He was an icon, but he isn't anymore.

I won't be in a haste to conclude that Mourinho no longer cares about his club because if I'm not mistaken, it's just one loss they have and I think they can make up for their loss when they meet empoli.
We know Mourinho is as good a coach as Ferguson was and ancellotti so the fact that they lost to udinese only goes to show that no matter how good a coach is, there would be bound to be mistakes.

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Quote from: Sirait on September 09, 2022, 11:24:59 PM

4-0 defeat to Udinese and 1-0 loss to Ludogorets made many fans doubt Jose Mourinho. Roma's next match will face Empoli, hopefully Roma won't disappoint again, because there are enough gamblers who have lost because of them, including me.

Honestly, I wonder why they doubted Jose Mourinho just because they saw this defeat to Udinese. It was unexpected, but I didn't see anything significant that Jose Mourinho did in this match. I prefer to see their luck was not good in that match, causing a crushing defeat. However Jose has managed to change AS Roma for the better, so he shouldn't accept something like this just one defeat.

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Napoli vs Spezia
Inter vs Torino
Sampdoria vs Milan

Apparently most of big teams will faced easy schedules today that on the paper this should be easy matches for them especially for Napoli that after beat Liverpool on champion league they had ambition to continue their good records on Serie A and besides that recently i had just make a single bet for Napoli, Inter and Milan each so although the odds for them are not quite high especially Napoli with their current odds it's only @1.26 but this could be safe bet considering their opponents is weak teams

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 09, 2022, 07:43:24 PM

I still see Morinho to be a special coach even if nobody sees that with me again,not because I love him too much or because he is doing extraordinarily well,but because he is still recognised to be a good coach.I know he has not been lucky for the past few seasons maybe the clubs he was,he wasn't given enough money to sign players that can fit his style of play,but I can say that the few season he has stayed at Roma,he is trying to prove himself,and Roma has stigged with him because they believe in him thesame way I do.And I know Morinho will shock people with time.

4-0 defeat to Udinese and 1-0 loss to Ludogorets made many fans doubt Jose Mourinho. Roma's next match will face Empoli, hopefully Roma won't disappoint again, because there are enough gamblers who have lost because of them, including me.

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Quote from: Prince Malik on September 09, 2022, 04:46:58 PM

Shooting on goal is always a good sign but the most important thing is enough eficacity against the goal and that what determine the good and the bad forwarded, sometimes shots off goal make bigger danger than on goal so we can't determine anything by looking on them

What is 'eficacity against the goal' you mean here?
I think it is the effectiveness to convert every opportunity to be a goal.
Having more than 20 shots attempts will be nothing if the strikers can't convert them effectively. The strikers need to have good accuracy in shooting if they want to convert the goal opportunities effectively.

Yes, that's right, because victory is not seen from how many chances they create, but how many goals they can make.
Effectiveness is one of the factors that must be owned by every player, especially strikers. If not then how many chances they create won't change the scoreboard. Positioning and good timing also determine whether the opportunity can be a goal or not.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on September 09, 2022, 06:15:03 PM

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 09, 2022, 11:23:20 AM

Inter Milan is a totally unreliable team
has spent a lot of money on super strong players and is losing games all the time
sorry if I am very critical, but we Juventus fans are often in strong contrast with them

i don't really agree with you (saying that juve is better than milan) although so far milan have quite a lot of draws but that doesn't mean their performance is messed up

so far milan shows a fairly stable performance in my opinion. The win from Inter last week is proof that they are a strong team

next week milan will face sampdoria, milan will definitely win in that match

You have to be able to see which is Inter Milan and which is AC Milan because @giammangiato said Inter Milan is not AC Milan.
For AC Milan obviously they are better now and the proof is their position is better at the moment but when we talk about Inter it is clear they are under but in this case actually I still feel their performance is still early and it doesn't look like the game has been running for a while this.

Inter are under pressure, After losing 3-2 in the derby and then continue losing 0-2 versus Bayern, of course, that makes the squad going down already. I believe they will recover it tonight when meeting Torino. If you agree with me, this is the beginning of Inter to rise again, but it will go to be reciprocal if they don't take the opportunity at home. They need the fans who always support them every day.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 09, 2022, 06:40:09 PM

Quote from: makishart on September 09, 2022, 06:25:59 PM

The era for mourinho has gone and he was the same like another ordinary coach for the football club right now. There's no a huge achievement like what he did in the past but expecting him to make the club has worst performance is not a good thing as well.

It is true, he is not a special one anymore. He already stated it, he is just an average coach.
However, we cannot avoid the fact that he is still a professional coach, has charismatic, and has good potential to win titles. He shows it in AS Roma now, he builds this team very well. He even can lead AS Roma to win the title of UEFA Europa Conference League for the first time. He proves that he is still a great coach. I think it is also a huge achievement, don't call it as a small achievement.

I still see Morinho to be a special coach even if nobody sees that with me again,not because I love him too much or because he is doing extraordinarily well,but because he is still recognised to be a good coach.I know he has not been lucky for the past few seasons maybe the clubs he was,he wasn't given enough money to sign players that can fit his style of play,but I can say that the few season he has stayed at Roma,he is trying to prove himself,and Roma has stigged with him because they believe in him thesame way I do.And I know Morinho will shock people with time.

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Quote from: Prince Malik on September 09, 2022, 04:46:58 PM

Shooting on goal is always a good sign but the most important thing is enough eficacity against the goal and that what determine the good and the bad forwarded, sometimes shots off goal make bigger danger than on goal so we can't determine anything by looking on them

What is 'eficacity against the goal' you mean here?
I think it is the effectiveness to convert every opportunity to be a goal.
Having more than 20 shots attempts will be nothing if the strikers can't convert them effectively. The strikers need to have good accuracy in shooting if they want to convert the goal opportunities effectively.

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Quote from: makishart on September 09, 2022, 06:25:59 PM

The era for mourinho has gone and he was the same like another ordinary coach for the football club right now. There's no a huge achievement like what he did in the past but expecting him to make the club has worst performance is not a good thing as well.

It is true, he is not a special one anymore. He already stated it, he is just an average coach.
However, we cannot avoid the fact that he is still a professional coach, has charismatic, and has good potential to win titles. He shows it in AS Roma now, he builds this team very well. He even can lead AS Roma to win the title of UEFA Europa Conference League for the first time. He proves that he is still a great coach. I think it is also a huge achievement, don't call it as a small achievement.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 09, 2022, 06:12:43 PM

Quote from: Sterbens on September 08, 2022, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 08, 2022, 05:07:30 AM

Morinho is very frustrated at the loss,but if he straightens and addresses the issues and problems that made him loose,he will be able to defeat Empoli,but if he neglects it,thesame tactics Udinese used in winning them will also be used and they will still defeat his team despite the record they have against Empoli.Roma was doing well this season,therefore,they shouldn't allow the defeat to affect them mentally,because if it does,it will be very bad for the team,and it will affect the moral of the team.

I trust Jose Mourinho in terms of his mentality as a coach, and I'm sure he will apply what he has to his team as well. Indeed the defeat was surprising and will definitely affect the team a bit. But I think Jose Mourinho will quickly get their mentality back for the next game. They must win the match in order to really restore the morale of the team.

How can you trust Mourinho? My feeling is that he doesn't care all too much about the clubs he is managing. He has achieved so much that he knows it doesn't matter what the press says. I wish he could be the Mourinho we all know, but he has calmed down so much over the years. It is a fact. He was an icon, but he isn't anymore.

The era for mourinho has gone and he was the same like another ordinary coach for the football club right now. There's no a huge achievement like what he did in the past but expecting him to make the club has worst performance is not a good thing as well. How can you know if mourinho doesn't care with his club too much? So, if that was the point and why he was being hired as a coach? is not it the decision coming from his achievement in the past as well?
Im sure that if the club was also trying to consider it as main thing to be considered.

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The result is predictable that without any problem Atalanta can win from Monza and while other big teams such as Inter, Milan or Juventus still struggle to find their best shape and unstable but Atalanta can managed their performance until week 5 and they deserved to get first position on standings league and i have to say compare to other teams on big 6 Atalanta schedules is more easy than them even for next week Atalanta will fight against another weak team Cremonese so 3 points probably will almost certainly belongs to them again

Atalanta is playing a solid season thus far. They have been doing well over the last couple of years given the financial possibilities they have. They are not the big standard name in Serie A and yet they are taken very seriously by the best clubs.

Right now Serie A looks similarly interesting when compared to the Premier League. It's impossible to tell who the real favorite is for the title. Inter and Lazio have recently been losing points but still can't be crossed off the list for the favorites.

Atalanta has never been a team you will mention and someone will scream, but it has been among the teams that can deny a team their full 3 points, especially when you are so sure of it. The club is known for their fighting spirit but this time around the fight came so early and I don't know how long they will have to enjoy at the top of the table. But at the end of the season they will not be at the top, but they could make europa league appearance.

One noticeable treat about Atalanta is that most times they will not be able to win any trophy, they don't have the capacity to do so but they truly have the capability of stopping another club for achieving a title race, that is fall out of love with the club most times.

Isn't that exactly what I said? I said that Atalanta is a team that can really cause pain to other teams. Now is it a team that can win the trophy? Probably not. but that doesn't mean they don't play a role in the fight for the trophy, they do! If you want to win it all, you also need to beat Atalanta, and that is when it becomes interesting. Beating Atalanta is not easy. This year is exciting anyway, there is no team that is set to win it all.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on September 09, 2022, 11:41:31 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on September 09, 2022, 11:23:20 AM

Inter Milan is a totally unreliable team
has spent a lot of money on super strong players and is losing games all the time
sorry if I am very critical, but we Juventus fans are often in strong contrast with them

i don't really agree with you (saying that juve is better than milan) although so far milan have quite a lot of draws but that doesn't mean their performance is messed up

so far milan shows a fairly stable performance in my opinion. The win from Inter last week is proof that they are a strong team

next week milan will face sampdoria, milan will definitely win in that match

You have to be able to see which is Inter Milan and which is AC Milan because @giammangiato said Inter Milan is not AC Milan.
For AC Milan obviously they are better now and the proof is their position is better at the moment but when we talk about Inter it is clear they are under but in this case actually I still feel their performance is still early and it doesn't look like the game has been running for a while this.

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Quote from: Sterbens on September 08, 2022, 11:47:30 AM

Quote from: Lordhermes on September 08, 2022, 05:07:30 AM

Morinho is very frustrated at the loss,but if he straightens and addresses the issues and problems that made him loose,he will be able to defeat Empoli,but if he neglects it,thesame tactics Udinese used in winning them will also be used and they will still defeat his team despite the record they have against Empoli.Roma was doing well this season,therefore,they shouldn't allow the defeat to affect them mentally,because if it does,it will be very bad for the team,and it will affect the moral of the team.

I trust Jose Mourinho in terms of his mentality as a coach, and I'm sure he will apply what he has to his team as well. Indeed the defeat was surprising and will definitely affect the team a bit. But I think Jose Mourinho will quickly get their mentality back for the next game. They must win the match in order to really restore the morale of the team.

How can you trust Mourinho? My feeling is that he doesn't care all too much about the clubs he is managing. He has achieved so much that he knows it doesn't matter what the press says. I wish he could be the Mourinho we all know, but he has calmed down so much over the years. It is a fact. He was an icon, but he isn't anymore.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on September 09, 2022, 04:12:48 PM

To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that.
No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters.
If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it.

We can see how accurate and effective the shots, are and how strong the defense from the opponent from the goals created. Yes, exactly, no matter how many shots are created, in fact in football match, the final result is the decision whether the team wins or lost or draws. This is about the point that must be gained in each match, every club must expect the maximum point in order to reach a higher rank or be in the rank without overtaken by thers. However, sometimes, certain clubs know their condition nd opponent. although they must try their effort as optimal as they can, they may be aware what they can do, they may expect for big wining always, but sometimes, at least, they want a drawn match when they meet a big or strong club.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on September 09, 2022, 03:25:45 PM

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As roma have suffered two defeats this week where they lost to udinese in Serie A and continued with a loss to Ludogorets in the Europa League. Dybala who was admired in the previous game was unable to do much against Ludogorets and this defeat should be a wake-up point for Roma against Empoli this week.

It's definitely not funny to see Roma's recent streak of defeats.
Empoli are also not an easy opponent to beat, but Roma have a good way of completing their mission to get their players' confidence back after those two defeats. Wish them all the best against Empoli, but Empoli will definitely not play weak in front of their own supporters.

In my opinion, it is feared that Empoli will lose to Roma so that their bad record will continue. Roma have the potential to win this match even though the team's confidence is low after the recent two defeats. But I'm sure Mourinho has a way to get full points in that match.

It is very disappointing Roma's performance in the last two matches played, after the defeat against Udinese. It turned out unexpectedly that
Roma were defeated by Ludogorets, which Roma should be able to beat Ludogorets easily. I don't even know any Ludogorets players,
meaning that Roma's players are much better than Ludogorets. Then what hurt Roma was Ludogorets scoring the winning goal in the last minute,
looks like after Roma scored a goal in the 86th minute to make it draw, Roma's players lost concentration so Ludogorets could score the winning goal
two minutes after Roma had scored.

The defeat that was quite dramatic for Roma, hopefully Roma's bad results can stop soon, which when facing Empoli in the next match Roma can win.
Empoli are indeed a weak team and have not won once in Serie A this season, but Empoli are unbeaten in the last 4 matches. This means that
Roma must be careful when facing Empoli, and do not let Roma underestimate Empoli, it could make Roma lose points against Empoli. I believe
Mourinho can motivate Roma players and can make Roma achieve positive results against Empoli in Serie A.

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Hmm... what's wrong with Mourinho? If he is so bad then why did he win the last two European titles for Serie A, and not all the others who are good? Roll Eyes

And what can you say about Inter and Juventus, which are now lower in the standings than Roma, Udinese and Torino? I think the fans (and management) of these teams also expected a better start.

No one will doubt the quality of Mourinho as a coach and his achievements tho Wink

The only problem with him is his old school tactics that are known by most teams and easy to counter them. I am not an expert obviously but that's what I am aware of from analysts.
His previous experience with Spurs was quite unpleasant for example although he had good players. So if he succeed with Roma and fail with Spurs then it is not totally his fault tho.

Good compared to who? And do you remember in what condition he took the Spurs then? He took the team from 14th to 6th. Is this a bad result? And he took Tottenham to the FA Cup final they most likely would have won (City were beaten in both league matches by Spurs). Everyone is used to that Mourinho gives the top result (at the level of a miracle), but he cannot give it with an average team (at least not always).

It is hard to compare coaches because everyone has his own tactics but if we look what's the objective of each team, we could say this one is good and this one isn't.
Tuchel for example is a good one but with the current Chelsea squad don't expect much from the team. Roma objective in the other hand is to return to the first places and why not another european league. Avoiding successive and shamefull defeats is another important point.
The problem with Mourinho with Spurs is the bad results he had. Many points were lost vs weak teams, the team was very unstable.. Even if the overall results were positive, at some point you feel this isn't enough.
I will take the example of Klopp and the current Liverpool bad results. No one could say anything about him because he is good but the situation in the club isn't good at all!

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 09, 2022, 07:25:17 AM

How do you define "attack much"? Is it a must to have 20+ shots attempts to be categorized as "attack much"? Huh

In my understanding, we can't claim a team to not attack much because they only make 11 shots attempts. If they only made 11 shots attempts, it may be caused by a strong defense of the opposite team, or the opposite team dominates the ball possession. We know that Mourinho always builds his team with a strong defense. It makes Udinese create many shots attempts. But once again, it doesn't mean the Udinese players didn't attack much. In addition, if Udinese players successfully score 4 goals from 5 shots on target, it means they have good accuracy in shooting.

I think it is not even about the shots, it is about how they play and you know it when you watch it. Sometimes teams pass a lot on other teams half, and they keep on trying to find that shot, and if they are good at it then they score bunch of goals, and if they are bad at it they are still attacking but do not find open shots.

So, it is not about shots, it is not even about possession neither, it is a bit about what you see and it can't be exactly put into stats, some stats of course shows it, but not just one, and you need to see it to understand. They did attack a lot and was focused on other teams goal a lot, that is why we could say that they did attacking very well in this game.

To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that.
No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters.
If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it.

So, I don’t think having many shots on target matters. And if you can have only one shot on goal and score one goal you will have 100% accuracy. But that does mean you did not have enough coordinated attack.

Shooting on goal is always a good sign but the most important thing is enough eficacity against the goal and that what determine the good and the bad forwarded, sometimes shots off goal make bigger danger than on goal so we can't determine anything by looking on them

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Quote from: sana54210 on September 09, 2022, 02:45:35 PM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 09, 2022, 07:25:17 AM

How do you define "attack much"? Is it a must to have 20+ shots attempts to be categorized as "attack much"? Huh

In my understanding, we can't claim a team to not attack much because they only make 11 shots attempts. If they only made 11 shots attempts, it may be caused by a strong defense of the opposite team, or the opposite team dominates the ball possession. We know that Mourinho always builds his team with a strong defense. It makes Udinese create many shots attempts. But once again, it doesn't mean the Udinese players didn't attack much. In addition, if Udinese players successfully score 4 goals from 5 shots on target, it means they have good accuracy in shooting.

I think it is not even about the shots, it is about how they play and you know it when you watch it. Sometimes teams pass a lot on other teams half, and they keep on trying to find that shot, and if they are good at it then they score bunch of goals, and if they are bad at it they are still attacking but do not find open shots.

So, it is not about shots, it is not even about possession neither, it is a bit about what you see and it can't be exactly put into stats, some stats of course shows it, but not just one, and you need to see it to understand. They did attack a lot and was focused on other teams goal a lot, that is why we could say that they did attacking very well in this game.

To win a match you don’t need to have 20+ shots. In order to win, you just need to score enough goals, and they were able to do that.
No matter how many shots you have or how many shots you have on the target. As long as you are able to score more goals than your opponent, then that is all that matters.
If you are able to do that, then you will be able to win. Does not matter how you do it.

So, I don’t think having many shots on target matters. And if you can have only one shot on goal and score one goal you will have 100% accuracy. But that does mean you did not have enough coordinated attack.

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Quote from: Google+ on September 09, 2022, 03:18:32 PM

As roma have suffered two defeats this week where they lost to udinese in Serie A and continued with a loss to Ludogorets in the Europa League. Dybala who was admired in the previous game was unable to do much against Ludogorets and this defeat should be a wake-up point for Roma against Empoli this week.

It's definitely not funny to see Roma's recent streak of defeats.
Empoli are also not an easy opponent to beat, but Roma have a good way of completing their mission to get their players' confidence back after those two defeats. Wish them all the best against Empoli, but Empoli will definitely not play weak in front of their own supporters.

In my opinion, it is feared that Empoli will lose to Roma so that their bad record will continue. Roma have the potential to win this match even though the team's confidence is low after the recent two defeats. But I'm sure Mourinho has a way to get full points in that match.

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