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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on March 29, 2021, 02:29:08 AM

I do not think Ronaldo is the problem. Ronaldo, although he started off as a winger, is a striker now and we must appreciate that he is one of the best at it. We all applaud Van Persie, Suarez, Aguero for their single-mindedness as strikers but call Ronaldo selfish. Nobody calls Messi or Lebron James selfish for always demanding the ball. What Juventus needs a functional front line that plays to Ronaldo’s strength. Rooney is always regarded as one of the best strikers to ever play the game but he was never too 9 at United and I don’t think he ever finished 1st on the goalscoring charts. He played as a supporting striker to Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and even Owen. Dybala plays the same role but can’t seem to find a regular starting position in Juventus and that isn’t Ronaldo’s fault. We must also point our that Juventus is the first team to play Ronaldo as an out and out striker. He scored from the wings for Lisbon, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Portugal (with strikers like Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Tevez, Benzema, Gomis), so why is Juventus trying so hard to fix what wasn’t broken?

It is never about just one guy. Ronaldo is a great player and that is why the success or the failure will always be because of him according to some people, but it is not always about him. I always give the same answer to these type of one guy things, Haaland is a great player who scored more goals than anyone except Lewa, that should mean that Dortmund is at the top or close by right? Wrong, they are 5th in bundesliga because rest of the team is not as good as him, but he does whatever he can.

It is never about one guy and Ronaldo is a great player, however he shouldn't be forced to win the games for his team all the time, he should be helping of course but a win or loss shouldn't be depending on how he plays, it should depend on every player, he could cause them to lose once or twice or win once or twice but all losses or all wins can't be attributed to them alone.

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Quote from: ShowOff on March 29, 2021, 05:09:59 AM

For the rest of the season, I hope that AC Milan will stay in the top 4 at least and compete in the UCL competition next season. I expect their participation there every season, but they don't seem consistent enough. Serie A will restart on Saturday and AC Milan will be the league opener after the international break. The match between AC Milan vs Sampdoria is expected to be a momentum for AC Milan to rise for the rest of the season. I don't expect them to take the main position from Inter Milan, it's very difficult. But at least they have to be consistent for the rest of the season.

Pioli is doing an amazing job at AC Milan. His recruitment has been deliberate and spot-on, he has found a perfect balance in the team, blending the old guard and the new boys together and his tactics have be spot-on. Keeping ZLATAN fit and firing on all cylinders has been immensely important for their title charge this season and now that is season is down the home stretch, he must be keep at top condition.

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Quote from: ShowOff on March 29, 2021, 05:09:59 AM

For the rest of the season, I hope that AC Milan will stay in the top 4 at least and compete in the UCL competition next season. I expect their participation there every season, but they don't seem consistent enough. Serie A will restart on Saturday and AC Milan will be the league opener after the international break. The match between AC Milan vs Sampdoria is expected to be a momentum for AC Milan to rise for the rest of the season. I don't expect them to take the main position from Inter Milan, it's very difficult. But at least they have to be consistent for the rest of the season.

I haven't been watching the games of that championship, but I take-me now to look at the table and the statistics...

Statistically, Milan isn't far from Inter, but I recognize the difference in the level of play that exists between these two clubs.
In any case, Milan shouldn't have too many difficulties to beat Sampdoria in this restart of the championship and remain at least in the top four.

I'll try to look at this championship more closely and maybe make some bets too.

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Quote from: ShowOff on March 29, 2021, 05:09:59 AM

For the rest of the season, I hope that AC Milan will stay in the top 4 at least and compete in the UCL competition next season. I expect their participation there every season, but they don't seem consistent enough. Serie A will restart on Saturday and AC Milan will be the league opener after the international break. The match between AC Milan vs Sampdoria is expected to be a momentum for AC Milan to rise for the rest of the season. I don't expect them to take the main position from Inter Milan, it's very difficult. But at least they have to be consistent for the rest of the season.

The Sampdoria opponent might be said to have won although it is not certain to be consistent, but with second place when I am sure AC Milan can definitely keep it in the top 4 and this will start again in UCL competition next season so I think this hope is still so big for Milan to stay in table 2.

Just one defeat in Milan's last 5 games can make the squad stronger meaning they are more solid against any opponent towards the end of the season, but now it is much better than a bad start to the season as is the case with Inter so there is still a change in between 2 teams

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 26, 2021, 12:58:51 PM

These are really too optimistic predictions. Grin

I think we may get surprising results in Atalanta-Udinese and Bologna-Inter matches. I think Atalanta-Udinese could end in a draw. And I also have a feeling like Inter could lose points this time after many weeks.

football always has surprises of course
if you remember Ranieri's Leichester won against all odds
Greece won a European Championship with a ridiculous team

let's say they are probable, indeed, more probable .. but they are not certain
and that's part of the fun

Inter has in hands to win a title this year.Conte will not tolerate anything to win the title together with the players.The memory of Lazio vs Inter ending 4-2 for Lazio in the year 2000 making Inter lose their title in this last game may look distant but no one has ever forget.I think everyone at Inter will not make the same mistake as that year and they will win at Bologna without problems.

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For the rest of the season, I hope that AC Milan will stay in the top 4 at least and compete in the UCL competition next season. I expect their participation there every season, but they don't seem consistent enough. Serie A will restart on Saturday and AC Milan will be the league opener after the international break. The match between AC Milan vs Sampdoria is expected to be a momentum for AC Milan to rise for the rest of the season. I don't expect them to take the main position from Inter Milan, it's very difficult. But at least they have to be consistent for the rest of the season.

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 26, 2021, 12:58:51 PM

These are really too optimistic predictions. Grin

I think we may get surprising results in Atalanta-Udinese and Bologna-Inter matches. I think Atalanta-Udinese could end in a draw. And I also have a feeling like Inter could lose points this time after many weeks.

football always has surprises of course
if you remember Ranieri's Leichester won against all odds
Greece won a European Championship with a ridiculous team

let's say they are probable, indeed, more probable .. but they are not certain
and that's part of the fun

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on March 28, 2021, 08:31:32 AM

Ronaldo brings troubles to his striker team-mates. Higuain has to leave Real Madrid and Juventus because of Ronaldo. The greed and selfish to play as a core striker, the destination of all key passes cause troubles. It can break down the confidence of other strikers. It is difficult to find a striker like Benzema who readily to sacrifice and help Ronaldo but still don't lose confidence and finishing skills.

I do not think Ronaldo is the problem. Ronaldo, although he started off as a winger, is a striker now and we must appreciate that he is one of the best at it. We all applaud Van Persie, Suarez, Aguero for their single-mindedness as strikers but call Ronaldo selfish. Nobody calls Messi or Lebron James selfish for always demanding the ball. What Juventus needs a functional front line that plays to Ronaldo’s strength. Rooney is always regarded as one of the best strikers to ever play the game but he was never too 9 at United and I don’t think he ever finished 1st on the goalscoring charts. He played as a supporting striker to Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie and even Owen. Dybala plays the same role but can’t seem to find a regular starting position in Juventus and that isn’t Ronaldo’s fault. We must also point our that Juventus is the first team to play Ronaldo as an out and out striker. He scored from the wings for Lisbon, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Portugal (with strikers like Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Tevez, Benzema, Gomis), so why is Juventus trying so hard to fix what wasn’t broken?

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on March 28, 2021, 08:31:32 AM

Ronaldo brings troubles to his striker team-mates. Higuain has to leave Real Madrid and Juventus because of Ronaldo. The greed and selfish to play as a core striker, the destination of all key passes cause troubles. It can break down the confidence of other strikers. It is difficult to find a striker like Benzema who readily to sacrifice and help Ronaldo but still don't lose confidence and finishing skills.

You are right. Ronaldo is very selfish and greedy in the match. He only thinks about his own score. Although he is an extraordinary player. However, without the cooperation of other players in the team, it is not possible to achieve the expected performance as a team.

Ronaldo is good in goals but his time to decide every matches is far away. With him, Juventus will have a safe source of goals but to win trophies, they can not rely on only Ronaldo. Chiesa plays very well in his first season in Juventus and I think that guy will improve more. He is a future of Juventus but they will need to have 2 or 3 good transfers to increase the strength of the team.

In matches Ronaldo can not score, they need other players to show up their quality and contributions with GOALS. I think they will need productive wingers than productive strikers to avoid conflicts of interests with Ronaldo.

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on March 28, 2021, 08:31:32 AM

Ronaldo brings troubles to his striker team-mates. Higuain has to leave Real Madrid and Juventus because of Ronaldo. The greed and selfish to play as a core striker, the destination of all key passes cause troubles. It can break down the confidence of other strikers. It is difficult to find a striker like Benzema who readily to sacrifice and help Ronaldo but still don't lose confidence and finishing skills.

You are right. Ronaldo is very selfish and greedy in the match. He only thinks about his own score. Although he is an extraordinary player. However, without the cooperation of other players in the team, it is not possible to achieve the expected performance as a team.

Quote from: AakZaki on March 28, 2021, 03:12:06 PM

According to the news i heard, Ronaldo put forward conditions to Juve if Juve still want to need his strength. He asked Juve to buy 2 new players next season. This means that currently Ronaldo is not finding good friends on the field with Juve. I don't know who the 2 players are, maybe someone knows? Indeed, Ronaldo is like a failed purchase by Juventus. The UCL target this year failed to hit, but remember this is a team we can't blame just one player. I think Ronaldo can last another year for Juve, he is still a great player at his age.

We can't just blame Ronaldo for the fact that Juventus have fallen out of the Champions League. One player cannot control the entire game alone. Juventus' defense should be strengthened a bit more.

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Quote from: StartupAnalyst on March 28, 2021, 08:13:37 AM

It seems to me that the team needs to start rebuilding. We need to look for young and promising players. After all, Ronaldo will not be able to play forever. In 5 years it should be a completely different club. And I would probably sell Ronaldo, he is too old for football. Besides, there are a lot of options to replace him with. Holland is much more promising now.

Did they try to rebuild their team with De Ligt, Chiesa, Kulusevski, McKennie, etc.?

Ronaldo can be helpful for Juventus but the club can not rely on him to win every match. You can not find many players who can score more than 20 to 30 goals every seasons like Ronaldo. In the next one or two seasons, Juventus will get their strength back and they will dominate the Serie A again.

Quote from: abderrazak belkhir on March 27, 2021, 06:36:22 PM

I dont now if im exaggerated but i believe ronaldo is one of the reason that can make the club lose its game style...the style that allowed juve to dominate the serie 1 for many years...i dont mean the player itself but the way that the other player react with him in the pitch

Ronaldo brings troubles to his striker team-mates. Higuain has to leave Real Madrid and Juventus because of Ronaldo. The greed and selfish to play as a core striker, the destination of all key passes cause troubles. It can break down the confidence of other strikers. It is difficult to find a striker like Benzema who readily to sacrifice and help Ronaldo but still don't lose confidence and finishing skills.

I agree with that and this is not the first bad season for juventus...the past season was also bad comparable to the seasons before ronaldo transfer...i believe if inter or milan was in a good situation juve would not won the trophy

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Quote from: btcsmlcmnr on March 28, 2021, 08:31:32 AM

Ronaldo can be helpful for Juventus but the club can not rely on him to win every match. You can not find many players who can score more than 20 to 30 goals every seasons like Ronaldo. In the next one or two seasons, Juventus will get their strength back and they will dominate the Serie A again.

Of course, there are not many players who score 20-30 goals a season. There are very few of them in every championship. You say that in two seasons Juvernus will dominate, maybe it will, but they have competitors Inter and Milan. In two years Ronaldo will be 38 years old. I think he'll be a little less productive by then.

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Quote from: Raflesia on March 27, 2021, 10:23:16 AM

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Try to revolutionize and keep Ronaldo and get rid of the more experienced Pirlo car and that will make a difference for Juve in the next season.

I see the squad now is quite good, it's just that the tactics are not as beautiful as you imagine.

According to the news i heard, Ronaldo put forward conditions to Juve if Juve still want to need his strength. He asked Juve to buy 2 new players next season. This means that currently Ronaldo is not finding good friends on the field with Juve. I don't know who the 2 players are, maybe someone knows? Indeed, Ronaldo is like a failed purchase by Juventus. The UCL target this year failed to hit, but remember this is a team we can't blame just one player. I think Ronaldo can last another year for Juve, he is still a great player at his age.

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Quote from: StartupAnalyst on March 28, 2021, 08:13:37 AM

It seems to me that the team needs to start rebuilding. We need to look for young and promising players. After all, Ronaldo will not be able to play forever. In 5 years it should be a completely different club. And I would probably sell Ronaldo, he is too old for football. Besides, there are a lot of options to replace him with. Holland is much more promising now.

Did they try to rebuild their team with De Ligt, Chiesa, Kulusevski, McKennie, etc.?

Ronaldo can be helpful for Juventus but the club can not rely on him to win every match. You can not find many players who can score more than 20 to 30 goals every seasons like Ronaldo. In the next one or two seasons, Juventus will get their strength back and they will dominate the Serie A again.

Quote from: abderrazak belkhir on March 27, 2021, 06:36:22 PM

I dont now if im exaggerated but i believe ronaldo is one of the reason that can make the club lose its game style...the style that allowed juve to dominate the serie 1 for many years...i dont mean the player itself but the way that the other player react with him in the pitch

Ronaldo brings troubles to his striker team-mates. Higuain has to leave Real Madrid and Juventus because of Ronaldo. The greed and selfish to play as a core striker, the destination of all key passes cause troubles. It can break down the confidence of other strikers. It is difficult to find a striker like Benzema who readily to sacrifice and help Ronaldo but still don't lose confidence and finishing skills.

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 27, 2021, 11:49:31 AM

I also think that this team really needs to be revolutionized. If I were in their shoes, I would try my best to keep Ronaldo at the team and make changes for the other positions. They especially deserve a better midfield. I really don't like their midfielders. In general, they are not good enough to play at Juventus. If they strengthen the midfield, I'm sure that they will be much more competitive. And I think they also need to strengthen the left wing. There is not a strong player for that position at the team. Chiesa is doing well on the right wing.

It seems to me that the team needs to start rebuilding. We need to look for young and promising players. After all, Ronaldo will not be able to play forever. In 5 years it should be a completely different club. And I would probably sell Ronaldo, he is too old for football. Besides, there are a lot of options to replace him with. Holland is much more promising now.

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Quote from: abderrazak belkhir on March 27, 2021, 06:36:22 PM

I dont now if im exaggerated but i believe ronaldo is one of the reason that can make the club lose its game style...the style that allowed juve to dominate the serie 1 for many years...i dont mean the player itself but the way that the other player react with him in the pitch

That's interesting because I didn't observe something like that, I think Ronaldo boosted Juventus but Inter was better this year. Ronaldo can't do everything alone. Squad atmosphere was good with him from what I've seen.

It is the situation exactly. I agree with you that Ronaldo has really helped the team a great deal. But it looks like Juventus' lineup is not good enough to do better than this. It is true that Inter are much better. However, Juventus had many simple point losses in the Serie A which caused them to get far away from Inter. One thing is certain that they must need to strengthen the lineup to be more competitive in every tournaments.

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Quote from: abderrazak belkhir on March 27, 2021, 06:36:22 PM

I dont now if im exaggerated but i believe ronaldo is one of the reason that can make the club lose its game style...the style that allowed juve to dominate the serie 1 for many years...i dont mean the player itself but the way that the other player react with him in the pitch

That's interesting because I didn't observe something like that, I think Ronaldo boosted Juventus but Inter was better this year. Ronaldo can't do everything alone. Squad atmosphere was good with him from what I've seen.

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Quote from: hahay on March 27, 2021, 05:28:45 PM

Anyway, I am among those who agree or support Ronaldo's dismissal because in my view Ronaldo is just waiting for a good pass to make a goal. That is, there is no big effort on the field in chasing the ball and indeed, Ronaldo is the target player in Juventus' attack. But that doesn't mean he should be lazy to run, in my view Ronaldo is too spoiled in the field and that makes it difficult for Juventus to develop the game. Look at it and notice when Ronaldo is not in the starting eleven, at least the more open games make a big difference and of course it is more interesting and better for Juventus.

I dont now if im exaggerated but i believe ronaldo is one of the reason that can make the club lose its game style...the style that allowed juve to dominate the serie 1 for many years...i dont mean the player itself but the way that the other player react with him in the pitch

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Yeah, it is very likely that Inter will make use of their dominance over Bologna in this game. They are also in a better shape than Bologna for some time in terms of the results. When it comes to Milan, they have no choice but continuing to win. They can't accept any loss of points if they really want this title. I don't expect them to have much difficulty against Sampdoria home.

I am also optimistic that Inter will have no trouble facing Bologna, especially since Inter's performances are very consistent and all Inter players
are on fire.Meanwhile, AC Milan, who are 6 points behind Inter, will definitely try not to drop points against Sampdoria. I am sure that the AC Milan
players will give their best so that AC Milan can continue to open up opportunities to become champions of Serie A. Although it is difficult to expect
Inter to drop points. But in the world of football there are often surprises, therefore it is still uncertain who will be the champions of Serie A
this season. Because there are still 10-11 games left to play in Serie A.

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Anyway, I am among those who agree or support Ronaldo's dismissal because in my view Ronaldo is just waiting for a good pass to make a goal. That is, there is no big effort on the field in chasing the ball and indeed, Ronaldo is the target player in Juventus' attack. But that doesn't mean he should be lazy to run, in my view Ronaldo is too spoiled in the field and that makes it difficult for Juventus to develop the game. Look at it and notice when Ronaldo is not in the starting eleven, at least the more open games make a big difference and of course it is more interesting and better for Juventus.

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