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September 13, 2019, 04:14:45 AM
DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.


Any specific reason for it or only your opinion?

Prepare yourself to see more and more top player in Italy, we have a new law, they will pay fewer taxes so they can pay more money as salary to players.

If Juventus will pay 15m /y to him, he will leave even tomorrow.

#Pogback? Yes please, he can win the Ballon d'Or here.


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September 13, 2019, 03:38:41 AM
DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.
DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.


All that is said here, is possible. He could have been to Spain and could also be to Italy or even he would still survive in Britain again. All of the things that I mentioned could happen, we just need to wait for the time again.
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September 13, 2019, 02:21:43 AM
DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.
DeGea isn't going to leave England for Italy mate. Most likely he will choose Spain (his country), perhaps Madrid or Barcelona, and end his career there.

Pogba
You can take that guy, no one in Manchester would complain Grin


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September 12, 2019, 05:50:53 AM
Instead of buying a goalkeeper, strengthening their other areas or youth talents might be better.

The point is very simple to explain.

DeGea's contract expires in June 2020, if it does not renew in this 8 months on July 2020 1st, he can leave Manchester for free.

Juventus currently has a great goalkeeper but De Gea's potential is undoubtedly greater, so if it is not an economical suicide (if you can sell the current goalkeeper for 35-50 million) it is an operation to be done.

If Manchester does not renew with him, it cannot do anything.

(As with Pogba, time in Manchester is about to expire, he still has a 22-month contract and after he can leave for free, and "usually" a player will not renew on his last year.)
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September 12, 2019, 02:50:43 AM

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.

This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

If Juventus still want to get de gea, they inevitably have to sell Szczesny.

@stigmacryptonight if De Gea indeed signs for Juventus as a free agent, then they’ll have to sell Szczesny to balance their books. It’s pertinent to note that he has not agreed to sign for Juventus, as Manchester United are doing all they can to tie De Gea to a new contract. Juventus will become very strong if they can land him as he’s one of the best goal keepers in the world.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/09/david-de-gea-close-to-signing-new-manchester-united-contract
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September 11, 2019, 11:55:17 PM
This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

I could not imagine why they would buy De Gea or why United wants to sell him. They're not that desperate for money and I believe there is no other good goalkeeper for United. Szczesny is not that old either, still a good goalkeeper for Juventus.

Instead of buying a goalkeeper, strengthening their other areas or youth talents might be better.
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September 11, 2019, 01:39:52 AM

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.

This may later be done by the Juventus. You're right, there's no way De Gea and Szczesny will be in the same place. I did not realize that the De Gea 4 - 5 year Contract reached 100 million.

If Juventus still want to get de gea, they inevitably have to sell Szczesny.
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September 10, 2019, 03:49:08 PM
The price difference for Juventus is very important. If you get De Gea for free and sell Szczesny, of course that is an absolute advantage for juventus.

But, what is said by @Naida_BR has a point. That it is also possible for Juventus to get de gea and Szczesny to stay together, it will be even more beautiful.

Although I would like the idea of ​​having both DeGea and Szczesny on the same team, I don't think it's as economically positive

At the moment  Juventus has 4 goalkeepers

Szczesny
Buffon
Perin
Pinsoglio

Of these four goalkeepers Perin should leave in January, he has not left now because he is hospitalized from the accident.

Having said that, next year Buffon probably leaves, Pinsoglio expires in 2020 but should renew and Perin should be sold outright.
Szczesny and Pinsoglio would find themselves again and the second goalkeeper would be missing.

The value of Perin is about 15 million with a gross expense of 4. The value of Buffon is 0 with a gross expense of 2.
Having said that they would save 21 million which would be equal to DeGea's engagement for even 2 years.

Although DeGea is free but with a 4/5-year contract, it has an expense of around 100 million with taxes, it is not a small expense especially if we consider the thickness of a possible second goalkeeper like Szczesny.

In my opinion, the only possible way to take DeGea is to sell Szczesny.

You can't put 2 (expensive) roosters in the same house.
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September 10, 2019, 01:48:00 PM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.

After all those math done, i still believe that De Gea would be a great addition to Juve.
Sczencny is a valuable player and has saved Juventus in many difficult matches but the difference in those prices are not so of a deal for Juventus.

The price difference for Juventus is very important. If you get De Gea for free and sell Szczesny, of course that is an absolute advantage for juventus.

But, what is said by @Naida_BR has a point. That it is also possible for Juventus to get de gea and Szczesny to stay together, it will be even more beautiful.
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September 10, 2019, 10:54:23 AM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.

After all those math done, i still believe that De Gea would be a great addition to Juve.
Sczencny is a valuable player and has saved Juventus in many difficult matches but the difference in those prices are not so of a deal for Juventus.
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September 10, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Juventus seems very complete in all positions to my eyes. I wonder why they are going to buy more players, still Manchester United is a good market for buying some quality.
As for Ronaldo, It would be interesting to see them returning to Utd, but I don't think that he is interested in that move.
I see that Ronaldo is very comfortable at Juve and will most likely retire from football at Juve (seeing Christiano Ronaldo is 34 years old now)... so, the possibility he will not be interested in returning to MU is very large.

With Ronaldo current status and physique, he could still play very close to age 40 or thereabout at top level, he's just that fit and his winning mentality wouldn't change a bit, that I'm sure very of. It is to be seen if he'll end his career at Juventus ( I strongly doubt he will, though).

In my opinion Ronaldo will remain at Juventus even until his retirement (If he can win UCL for Juventus) After that he will be seen retiring or moving to another club for his retirement. It must be admitted that Ronaldo's age is no longer young, but his mentality and enthusiasm never fade. That is one of the advantages that Ronaldo has.
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September 09, 2019, 10:16:24 PM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Juventus seems very complete in all positions to my eyes. I wonder why they are going to buy more players, still Manchester United is a good market for buying some quality.
As for Ronaldo, It would be interesting to see them returning to Utd, but I don't think that he is interested in that move.
I see that Ronaldo is very comfortable at Juve and will most likely retire from football at Juve (seeing Christiano Ronaldo is 34 years old now)... so, the possibility he will not be interested in returning to MU is very large.

With Ronaldo current status and physique, he could still play very close to age 40 or thereabout at top level, he's just that fit and his winning mentality wouldn't change a bit, that I'm sure very of. It is to be seen if he'll end his career at Juventus ( I strongly doubt he will, though).
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September 09, 2019, 08:14:28 PM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.

A very smart calculation from you.
What you say makes sense, As we know that Juventus officials will use every moment to be able to benefit. They have often done things like this and in the end they benefit from every sale of players and even the purchase of players they can also think of profits.
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September 09, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Actually, the rumor bounced here in Italy too!

The good part of this rumor is that if he will come here it will be a free player and he will cost 0.
His contract will end next year!

So Juventus can sell Szczesny for 35-40 M € https://www.transfermarkt.it/wojciech-szczesny/profil/spieler/44058 and take DeGea for 0.

What's about of salary?

Szczesny as today cost at Juventus around 8m€ with taxes.

DeGea now gains 11.6 m € without taxes from ManU.

If he keeps the same salary for Juventus will be 11.6+25%(11.6)= 14.5 m € with taxes.

So basically DeGea will cost 6.5m €/y more then Szczesny, but Juventus can take around 40m € from the sell.

Now if we do 40/6.5 we will have around 6 years if DeGea comes and signs a contract of max 5 years this operation it will +EV for Juventus.
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September 09, 2019, 05:09:34 PM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

Juventus seems very complete in all positions to my eyes. I wonder why they are going to buy more players, still Manchester United is a good market for buying some quality.
As for Ronaldo, It would be interesting to see them returning to Utd, but I don't think that he is interested in that move.
I see that Ronaldo is very comfortable at Juve and will most likely retire from football at Juve (seeing Christiano Ronaldo is 34 years old now)... so, the possibility he will not be interested in returning to MU is very large.
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September 09, 2019, 02:00:06 PM
~snip~

Milan's big deals aren't too exposed to the media. Which resulted in many not knowing this. But at least they have done their best, so far Ac Milan have only been able to rank 13th out of their 2 matches. This was indeed an initial problem, I also hope that their transfer is not in vain and that each player contributes a lot to the club.

Well that's the only point of this season and that is to rebuild and plan ahead. Ever since they got screwed up by FIFA and banned them in Europa league there only focus now is to win games in Serie A. The Elliot Management will hopefully do their best as early as the next transfer window to get more players at the same time sell some unwanted ones. Also their new manager needs to improve and hopefully be the next Max Allegri for the team. As a Milan fan I'm trusting the process they are undergoing right now, I already like the Theo Hernandez and Rafael Leao signings they have done so far, not to mention they have snagged Bennacer as well.
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September 09, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
It's been ages since we had another team aside from the usual two to [at least] put up a decent fight against the Vecchia Signora...Btw, it's been only a few games but, i'll say it right now, Inter will finish 2nd. Conte is just too good, and once Godin takes charge of the defence, they'll have a solid squad in every inch of the pitch.

Are you crazy?!?! Cheesy

As Juventus fan, I loved the situation of the past 8 years. Is fun to win every year and it will be fun when I will be old to tell the history of the legendary team who won I hope 10 consecutive titles with CR7 in the end.

Wow!
Despite following up with the transfer window daily and inter milan so far this season. You can't believe I have no idea whatsoever that they were able to sign Diego Godin, which means a drastic improvement to their defensive lineup. How I which Perisic had stayed put with the club, then It would have been much more fun to watch inter all season long.
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September 09, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
It has been 7 days since this move was made official but I still think that this is one of the most notable moves for Serie A particularly A.C. Milan. Milan have managed to swoop a good deal bringing Ante Rebic for a 2 year loan with an option to buy at the end for 25 million Euros. I think that this deal was made possible as they just swap loaned players as Eintracht Frankfurt also received Andre Silva from Milan via loan without any option to buy. Now Milan has a young proven forward that has World Cup finals experience, I just hope they take full advantage of the 2 year loan to see if Rebic is a good fit for Milan.

Milan's big deals aren't too exposed to the media. Which resulted in many not knowing this. But at least they have done their best, so far Ac Milan have only been able to rank 13th out of their 2 matches. This was indeed an initial problem, I also hope that their transfer is not in vain and that each player contributes a lot to the club.
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September 09, 2019, 10:30:34 AM
It has been 7 days since this move was made official but I still think that this is one of the most notable moves for Serie A particularly A.C. Milan. Milan have managed to swoop a good deal bringing Ante Rebic for a 2 year loan with an option to buy at the end for 25 million Euros. I think that this deal was made possible as they just swap loaned players as Eintracht Frankfurt also received Andre Silva from Milan via loan without any option to buy. Now Milan has a young proven forward that has World Cup finals experience, I just hope they take full advantage of the 2 year loan to see if Rebic is a good fit for Milan.
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September 09, 2019, 12:37:10 AM
I heard Juve is going for De Gea and a couple other United players this January.  Could this be an opportunity for Ronaldo (and his agent) to engineer 'a return'?  Grin

There is no way Juventus will go for DeGea, they already have a good and cheaper goalkeeper.

To be honest looking here, https://www.transfermarkt.it/manchester-united/startseite/verein/985 they can go only for Pogba or Rashford the others are worse than the other players actually on Juventus.

Yes that is indeed true. Buffon and Wojciech Szczęsny are two great goalkeepers that Juventus have at the moment. So it will not happen, that Juventus wants to go to De Gea.
And also Ronaldo will never return to his past club, he is not yet satisfied for Serie A.
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