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Southern European culture adds something to the situation. Being hardworking and discipline isn't cherished in the South. The people prefer having a good time, rather than wasting too much energy on dumb activities like working in a 9/5 job. Grin

Well... this maybe partially true. Mediterranean states are famous for this culture. In countries such as Italy, there is a large population of illegal immigrants from Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia, who are ready to work for extremely low wages. This drives down the salaries, as well as the social status of those who do menial work. Successive governments have worsened the problem, by offering generous handouts and welfare payments. And as a result, most of these countries are neck-deep in debt. Some of them (Greece, Cyprus.etc) already had their financial meltdowns.
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It's not just Italy. All southern European countries have big numbers of unemployed people, who aren't actively seeking a job. Spain and Greece also have this problem. I'm not sure about Portugal or the Balkan countries, though.
This is what you get, when you combine a generous "welfare state" and not-so-attractive minimum wages. Many people don't find a valid reason to get a job and waste their lives working hard for a minimum wage(while staying poor).
Southern European culture adds something to the situation. Being hardworking and discipline isn't cherished in the South. The people prefer having a good time, rather than wasting too much energy on dumb activities like working in a 9/5 job. Grin
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I’m wondering why such situation could arise in Italy? May be geographic location and less flourished businesses? In any case the population does not seem to be big enough where it’s impossible to manage the countries employment. I think government can easily attract new businesses and also let their people understand they can do start ups considering job situation in the country. Definitely for individual to start a business they will need some schemes from the Government which can easily boost their current situation and bring employment. Small country, lesser population is surely easy to manage I believe.
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It is a problem of good intentions. There are people with few resources, training and employability who, if you don't help them from public institutions, are condemned to marginalisation and in many cases forced to commit crime in order to survive. The aid is a way of buying social peace.

When aid is generalised, there are also people who are employable, who could work, but who dedicate themselves to living off the aid because all in all, working is only going to bring in a little more money.


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I think the problem is worsened when a country provides for a huge social grant to assist unemployed people. I have talked to some people in the UK and they said the financial support in the UK for unemployed people are too much. A lot of people stopped looking for work, because the government support is enough to sustain them.  Roll Eyes

https://www.gov.uk/benefit-cap/benefit-cap-amounts

The benefit cap outside Greater London is:

    £384.62 per week (£20,000 a year) if you’re in a couple
    £384.62 per week (£20,000 a year) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you
    £257.69 per week (£13,400 a year) if you’re a single adult

The benefit cap inside Greater London is:

    £442.31 per week (£23,000 a year) if you’re in a couple
    £442.31 per week (£23,000 a year) if you’re a single parent and your children live with you
    £296.35 per week (£15,410 a year) if you’re a single adult

This is just one of the benefits... a lot of people also get other benefits ...like FREE Water & Electricity etc... and they eat at Soup kitchens.... etc.  Roll Eyes
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I am surprised by the difference between Spain and Italy, I thought it would be more similar although it seems to be based on estimates. There is a similar issue in southern Spain, which is a fish chasing its own tail. There is little work, more public aid is given and in the end there are certain people who do not look for work because with the aid they get a little less than if they had to go to work, and they do not have to move from home. Or they combine public subsidies with undeclared work.

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I am 100% sure that the situation is not as bad as the case here in India. Here just around 1.5% of the population pays income tax. Almost everything is subsidized (food, fuel, electricity, housing, healthcare, education.etc) by the government (either federal or state), and it is very much possible for entire families to survive despite doing any work. For non-Indians it may be difficult to believe that 1.5% of the population (derogatively called as the "salaried class") is subsidizing the remaining 98.5%, but this system has survived for many decades now.
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A lot of these issues could probably be fixed by making jobs actually seem more attractive to workers they want them to be filled by.

Do you mean to say these idle labor force could be enticed to work and be productive by presenting available jobs that they are really interested of having?

I'm a little envious at this kind of people. They have the luxury to be picky when it comes to job. They could choose not to work if they don't like the job. Where I am, even college graduates end up working as store cashiers for lack of better opportunities.

Anyway, as per the article, this might be more than the "usual issues of matching supply and demand." It is actually intriguing that this is being branded as "a problem of mindset.” I'm interested to know what this specifically means.
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A lot of these issues could probably be fixed by making jobs actually seem more attractive to workers they want them to be filled by.

The data used here is also likely based off a lot of estimation work too.

Southern European wages seem very low compared to North Western Europe (I only just rerealised this a few weeks back). It's something else that should be worked on by those countries to ensure they can educate up well enough their current cohort of students and maybe find ways to connect qualified individuals and pair them up with businesses to train them further and bring them up to the same level of skills as should've been taught in school (if it wasn't).

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In a litany of woes Bank of Italy Governor Ignazio Visco listed this week, the sheer number of his fellow citizens who don’t bother seeking work was especially bleak.

The proportion of people active in the labor market is among the lowest in Europe, he complained to the country’s economic elite gathered in the gold-painted Shareholders’ Hall of Palazzo Koch, his institution’s home in Rome. Worst affected is the poorer south of Italy, where the governor hails from.

The labor market was only one of many weaknesses Visco highlighted in his annual speech on Tuesday. It may prove among the trickiest for the European Union to fix as it deploys skills-focused programs in its bid to reinvigorate Italy with 200 billion euros ($214 billion) of Recovery Fund cash.

Unlocking the jobs potential trapped in the inertia of the euro zone’s third-biggest economy is one of the few options available to fight the consequences of a demographic decline so stark that the world’s richest man, Elon Musk, has warned the country risks having no people left.

“Overcoming the factors that hinder productivity growth has become even more necessary” given the population outlook, Visco said. It “can only partly be countered by an improvement in the migration balance and by an increase in the labor-market participation.”

The numbers are stark: 2.62 million people are available for employment but not seeking it, more than the actual tally of jobseekers. On top of that are 872,000 part-time workers who would like more hours, and 90,000 people who want a job but aren’t immediately available, according to Bloomberg calculations based on Eurostat data.

“It makes me really sad to see these numbers,” said Andrea Prencipe, professor of innovation management and rector of Luiss University in Rome. “This points to a problem that goes beyond the usual issues of matching supply and demand, and skills. It’s a problem of mindset.”

As with many of Italy’s economic problems, the south suffers the most. Last year, when a measure of national unemployment averaged 9.5%, it was almost 24% in the area of Naples, where the 72-year-old Visco was born. The country’s third-biggest city, it is often seen as a proxy for the malaise and organized crime associated with that half of the peninsula.

Further east in Isernia, a landlocked province where the governor’s family comes from in the mountainous region of Molise, joblessness exceeded 12%.

Visco also highlighted how the country stands out for the low proportion of women in the workforce, exacerbated by the difficulty of regaining employment after having children.

But at the root of the problem is schooling. Low labor participation is “closely connected with educational attainment,” the governor said. It’s a commonly shared view. 

“We have a low-skilled labor force,” Italy Finance Ministry Deputy Secretary Maria Cecilia Guerra lamented on Rainews24 on Wednesday. “This has a big impact on our growth prospects.”

That isn’t easy to fix. Prencipe, the Luiss professor, says that simply throwing money at the problem won’t address it, even though the EU Recovery Fund does have initiatives devoted to skills and education. 

He says young people find it hard to enter the workforce after studying in Italy and need better-honed training that makes them nimbler at a time of faster-evolving employment requirements and lengthening lifespans.

Adapting to the shifting labor market is a challenge for Beatrice Tarantino. She has struggled to find a job since losing hers at an insurance company in Rome during redundancies in 2018. Currently helping a friend with childcare, she plans to return to the fray of seeking work later this year.

“After the pandemic struck, it got harder to look for a job,” the 49-year-old said. “Now I’m starting to feel too old to find one.”

Encouraging people to enter or return to the labor market is fundamental. The alternative, as Visco suggested, is that the country’s best and brightest emigrate, as almost 1 million already have done, while others do nothing. Such a challenge puts the onus on Italy to ensure that its vast injection of EU money isn’t only spent, but spent well. 

“It’s not a matter of how much funding -- which is considerable overall -- but of how we’re going to use it,” said Prencipe. “We need it to really tackle the problems related to labor and to learning.”



https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/italy-is-held-back-by-2-6-million-people-who-have-given-up-on-work-1.1773994


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When I see negative circumstances like these abroad, I always question whether these troubles could find their way to native shores. Does italy's 2.6 million not seeking unemployment resemble the future of the united states. This is a habit I developed for many years from zimbabwe to venezuelan hyperinflation. As history does fortell that these forms of crisis typically have a trickle up effect. They begin in smaller nations of the world. And trickle upwards until eventually they affect larger and wealthier nations. Looking at these negative stats, I would expect future american job markets to resemble italy's current predicament.

There is another strange slant in the news where european media sources pride themselves on primarily reporting on negatives in america. And the USA by contrast prides itself on reporting primarily on the troubles of asia and europe. Everyone reads negative news about foreigners and seldom about their own country of residence. This reinforces notions of "bad things only happen to silly foreign people and never to us". Which hampers the native capacity to respond to crisis due to residents choosing to believe such things could never come to home shores and they should be exempt from having to deal with such issues.

It could be fair to say these types of economic issues could become commonplace eventually. What will the affects be. How do we address and resolve them. There must be something that can be done.

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