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Topic: It's quiet, too quiet. Especially after everyone predicted a major rocket. (Read 5675 times)

legendary
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By the way, weren't ASICs supposed to be shipped by the end of the year? What happened?

BFL claims there were flaws in the chip design. Which is not very surprising since they apparently skipped the prototype stage and went straight from simulations to manufacturing. I do believe they are trying their best to get them out but it's not easy. Other ASIC producers are also reporting delays. It's a race right now.
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If BFL fails to deliver its non-existent ASICs, there will be a sudden fall and a quick recovery.

That depends on your definition of quick. If they fail to deliver there will be lots of rage quitting. Not only from those who got burned but also from people who expected the community to get it's shit together by this time.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing would last over a year.

The recovery after Pirate's antics came after a few days. Bitcoiners are die-hard optimists.

By the way, weren't ASICs supposed to be shipped by the end of the year? What happened?
legendary
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If BFL fails to deliver its non-existent ASICs, there will be a sudden fall and a quick recovery.

That depends on your definition of quick. If they fail to deliver there will be lots of rage quitting. Not only from those who got burned but also from people who expected the community to get it's shit together by this time.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing would last over a year.
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The block reward halving is certainly an momentous occasion for Bitcoin users, but it does not bring in any new users or hashing power, so there was pretty much no effect. In fact, if you look, the hashrate is actually increasing, and the difficulty is currently predicted to increase by about 6%.
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If BFL fails to deliver its non-existent ASICs, there will be a sudden fall and a quick recovery.
legendary
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OMG will this asic bullshit ever end?

For the last time: there can be max 3600 btc mined per day. There is about 20k daily volume only on mtgox only in usd market. So even if all miners decided to sell immediately (which is unrealistic) price movement would be very small.

+1

The ASIC market theories don't make any sense. My view is that hoarding might actually increase. I will explain this of course.

The thing is, after ASIC's mining will be something that mostly only people who are really into Bitcoin will be participating in. With GPU's it's very different, I believe there is a good amount of mining still going on by people who simply have a graphics card running and they don't really even understand Bitcoin thus they sell everything they mine. ASIC's require a little more effort and understanding to invest in since they are no good for anything else.

What could happen is that at least the people who have smallish ASIC investments will be hoarding a lot. Big ASIC operations are a different story, they have significant investment and maintaining costs and they have to sell to cover those. However, as I see it based on the preorders, a large majority of ASIC mining power will be very decentralized. It's not going the "big businesses mining everything" route yet at least.

I don't buy the fact that people have invested everything in ASIC's and want to just sell everything to buy more ASIC's. In fact the whole ASIC mining might get over the range of profitability fast. It might be that people are looking more at selling their ASIC's than buying more. The whole ASIC thing, with question marks over delivery times and everything, is a big risk to invest in. Anyone who is all-in on ASIC's is in my opinion a bit stupid.

Also, it's important to take into account that even if people were trying to earn money through mining to invest in new chips fast (this is a possibility if the profitability remains high), they don't necessarily sell! Many ASIC sellers accept bitcoins.

My conclusion is that there is really no reason to expect higher selling rates compared to what we've had before. Also, the selling rate would have to be massively different to have any significant effect since we just had the halving. ASIC's will increase the amount of new coins for a while at some point, but the effect of that will be very temporary. Truth is we're going to be seeing 3600 new coins per day and that's it.
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Euro / USD explains what we are seeing:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=EURUSD%3DX+Interactive#symbol=;range=3m;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

80% correlation the last 3 months. BTC is a short term reserve currency for the Dollar like the Euro is for real life day traders.

watch out for bad Euro zone announcements, And real life traders are using Bitcoin and are too smart to flag  their buy orders for someone to crash sell into.

legendary
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"It's quiet, too quiet. Especially after everyone predicted a major rocket."

Everyone?  No.  I didn't, because I don't see any reason for the price to 'rocket' upwards right now.  If anything there may be pressure for the price to drop as people eventually receive ASIC orders and need to pay off their new hardware.

OMG will this asic bullshit ever end?

For the last time: there can be max 3600 btc mined per day. There is about 20k daily volume only on mtgox only in usd market. So even if all miners decided to sell immediately (which is unrealistic) price movement would be very small.
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legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

I think the flawed logic is you saying that we are the only two new investors.

Nice try to twist my words. Where did I say that? Link please.

LOL!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I did twist your words, but unintentionally. I'll rephrase the statement: Its not flawed logic because we are not the only two new investors.

Once again...proof?...lol

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Cheesy

Awesome comeback. +1 from me.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

I think the flawed logic is you saying that we are the only two new investors.

Nice try to twist my words. Where did I say that? Link please.

LOL!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I did twist your words, but unintentionally. I'll rephrase the statement: Its not flawed logic because we are not the only two new investors.

Once again...proof?...lol

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Cheesy
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

I think the flawed logic is you saying that we are the only two new investors.

Nice try to twist my words. Where did I say that? Link please.

LOL!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I did twist your words, but unintentionally. I'll rephrase the statement: Its not flawed logic because we are not the only two new investors.

Once again...proof?...lol

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
full member
Activity: 238
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Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

I think the flawed logic is you saying that we are the only two new investors.

Nice try to twist my words. Where did I say that? Link please.

LOL!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I did twist your words, but unintentionally. I'll rephrase the statement: Its not flawed logic because we are not the only two new investors.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
"It's quiet, too quiet. Especially after everyone predicted a major rocket."

Everyone?  No.  I didn't, because I don't see any reason for the price to 'rocket' upwards right now.  If anything there may be pressure for the price to drop as people eventually receive ASIC orders and need to pay off their new hardware.

people who bought ASICs paid in full, and have been living without this money for months, i really do not understand why so many people think miner will cash out like crazy once they start mining on ASICs.

the way i see it, miner feel unsure if they will be as profitable as they are now when ASICs come out, add to that bitcoin price holding higher then its ever been before, so if anything they are selling for a profit now.

Maybe because they thought they would be delivered in October and counted on them being on time so they are in need of the capital they blew on a product that does not exist. People have bills and lives to live. Loaning BFL large sums of money could do that to anyone. People will sell once they mine. I assure you this is the case.

But they are mining now, why wait for ASICs to come out, why not just sell some now?

Perhaps they dont have as much to sell anymore and used the bulk of it to preorder ASICs. That would be one big reason.

Some people here are very irrational when it comes to investing. Just throw caution to the wind and buy ASICS.

like this guy  Cheesy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJrlTK2R4So

what ASICs will do is spread the wealth, a wave of new miners will use this ASIC switch to jump in the mining game.

new miner will NEED to get a nice big stash b4 they start selling.

Might want to check your logic on trading strategies. That is not how all people invest.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

So you want him to have a sample size of 20,000 people in his personal environment who are starting to use bitcoin?  In contrast, your statements are the absolute truth, no evidence required.  Enlighten me, where do you get your ideas?


The guy in the youtube video that Adam just posted ^.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2492
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Wow all 2 of you are hoarding. Good job that will keep the price up.

Love the flawed logic around here. When you said "investorS" you meant 2, not like 20,000. LOL!

I think the flawed logic is you saying that we are the only two new investors.

Nice try to twist my words. Where did I say that? Link please.

LOL!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
"It's quiet, too quiet. Especially after everyone predicted a major rocket."

Everyone?  No.  I didn't, because I don't see any reason for the price to 'rocket' upwards right now.  If anything there may be pressure for the price to drop as people eventually receive ASIC orders and need to pay off their new hardware.

people who bought ASICs paid in full, and have been living without this money for months, i really do not understand why so many people think miner will cash out like crazy once they start mining on ASICs.

the way i see it, miner feel unsure if they will be as profitable as they are now when ASICs come out, add to that bitcoin price holding higher then its ever been before, so if anything they are selling for a profit now.

Maybe because they thought they would be delivered in October and counted on them being on time so they are in need of the capital they blew on a product that does not exist. People have bills and lives to live. Loaning BFL large sums of money could do that to anyone. People will sell once they mine. I assure you this is the case.

But they are mining now, why wait for ASICs to come out, why not just sell some now?

Perhaps they dont have as much to sell anymore and used the bulk of it to preorder ASICs. That would be one big reason.

Some people here are very irrational when it comes to investing. Just throw caution to the wind and buy ASICS.

like this guy  Cheesy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJrlTK2R4So

what ASICs will do is spread the wealth, a wave of new miners will use this ASIC switch to jump in the mining game.

new miner will NEED to get a nice big stash b4 they start selling.
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