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Topic: JarzikCoin aka segwit2xCoin exposed: trying to get KYC crap on the code (Read 1668 times)

legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1012
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Bitcoin anonymity is the BIGGEST shit crypto currency has ever faced. It achieved nothing but allowed bunch of scammers, ponzi pumpers and pyramids lovers to find an excellent tool to scam people.

If I have nothing to hide concerning the source of my money, why the fuck anonymity??? Not to pay taxes you say? Well, you do want your kids to go school or your local hospital to work, ha?

Fuck this shit, anonymity s good only for people who ve got something to hide.

If that is your problem, there are enough government promoted e-coins which are coming up. Why don't you just move over?
And if people under a tyrannical ruler made a small religious donation, and got busted for it, you really wouldn't care. They don't need anonymity, do they?
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1183
Bitcoin anonymity is the BIGGEST shit crypto currency has ever faced. It achieved nothing but allowed bunch of scammers, ponzi pumpers and pyramids lovers to find an excellent tool to scam people.

If I have nothing to hide concerning the source of my money, why the fuck anonymity??? Not to pay taxes you say? Well, you do want your kids to go school or your local hospital to work, ha?

Fuck this shit, anonymity s good only for people who ve got something to hide.

Are you fucking kidding me? The whitepaper says "p2p cash". Cash includes anonymity. Don't give me the crime propaganda bullshit. If you don't want anonymity, then why the fuck are you even here? go use Ripple and stop caring about decentralization.

These guys want to put bitcoin inside corporate buildings via massive blocksize agendas. They want their own bitcoin that they can control. The value propositon of such a bitcoin is exactly 0, which is what the value of segwit2xCoin will be.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1007
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Bitcoin anonymity is the BIGGEST shit crypto currency has ever faced. It achieved nothing but allowed bunch of scammers, ponzi pumpers and pyramids lovers to find an excellent tool to scam people.

If I have nothing to hide concerning the source of my money, why the fuck anonymity??? Not to pay taxes you say? Well, you do want your kids to go school or your local hospital to work, ha?

Fuck this shit, anonymity s good only for people who ve got something to hide.
legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1183
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form.  

You mean that you won't be disposing of your SW coins that you get off the fork so that you can accumulate non SW coins? I admire your principles.  Grin

I will be immediately liquidating some of them yes, and continue to liquidate as the market asserts itself based on the fact that users want low fees and fast confirmations, and a Bitcoin that can scale.

You fill find soon enough that the market doesn't want a blocksize increase. Maybe in the future, but not now, because we don't need it.

A hardfork needs way more research and dedication than this rushed up garbage.

https://bitcoinhardforkresearch.github.io/

If a hardfork happens and you are going to take that risk, it must have something of real value, not a dumb ass blocksize increase.
legendary
Activity: 3444
Merit: 10558
ok someone clarify this for me, (i am still not convinced about last one either).

first of all DNS seeds are used as a "fallback" method in case you have no prior known IPs to connect to or can not use the hardcoded list of nodes. this means one may not even use it at all...

and when you connect to these DNS seeds you just receive a list of IP addresses of bitcoin nodes to connect to as a start (to find other nodes if you have none).

it was individuals (the developers) list and now the code changed it to a couple of known services (bitpay, blockchain.info, bloq, don't recognize the other one).

my question is:
why is this bad?
and what the f**k this has to do with KYC?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 253
Property1of1OU
DNS hardcode seeds is hard ...  
this will clear the problem andre
If you don't like the seeds, simply download the code yourself, change the seeds to whatever you like and then compile. It's that easy.  Roll Eyes

the "hard" part is you cant really change things at runtime

Yes I remember vaguely some polemics regards RFCs 882, 883, 973, 1035 ...

ps-> in case I get a good analogy to our current situation I'll post here 
legendary
Activity: 4214
Merit: 4458
DNS hardcode seeds is hard ...  
this will clear the problem andre
If you don't like the seeds, simply download the code yourself, change the seeds to whatever you like and then compile. It's that easy.  Roll Eyes

the "hard" part is you cant really change things at runtime
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 253
Property1of1OU
DNS hardcode seeds is hard ... 
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1827

SW is a SF.  you do not need to use sw address.

OK, I understand now. You'll use the chain but not the public keys that are SW.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1004
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form.  

You mean that you won't be disposing of your SW coins that you get off the fork so that you can accumulate non SW coins? I admire your principles.  Grin

I will be immediately liquidating some of them yes, and continue to liquidate as the market asserts itself based on the fact that users want low fees and fast confirmations, and a Bitcoin that can scale.

How are you going to do this without "using it?" Only way that I can see is that you have a face to face contact with a buyer, give them you private key(s) in exchange for cash, and have that person immediately sweep the private key coins to one of his addresses.

SW is a SF.  you do not need to use sw address.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1827
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form.  

You mean that you won't be disposing of your SW coins that you get off the fork so that you can accumulate non SW coins? I admire your principles.  Grin

I will be immediately liquidating some of them yes, and continue to liquidate as the market asserts itself based on the fact that users want low fees and fast confirmations, and a Bitcoin that can scale.

How are you going to do this without "using it?" Only way that I can see is that you have a face to face contact with a buyer, give them you private key(s) in exchange for cash, and have that person immediately sweep the private key coins to one of his addresses.
legendary
Activity: 4214
Merit: 4458
It seems like this seeds enables the blockchain to reveal our identities just like how they track the illegal torrent users. Are we some kind of criminals, why are they adding crap in bitcoin ? That would not be bitcoin anymore but rather will be something like ETH. The original purpose of bitcoin was to send and receive transactions anonymously this is a huge turn off for bitcoin users as they use BTC because of it's decentralized feature. The devs or whoever controlling it behind should probably reconsider this implementation.

just worked that out??

funny how when blockstream had the DNS seeds everyone was kissing their ass..
now blockstream doesnt everyone starts having rational thoughts

the only issue with not having DNS seeds is that a node would have to ping every single IP address there is, until it got a response saying a bitcoin node exists on such ip address

i kinda prefered the days that the dns seed was an IRC channel rather than a cartels website
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1004
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form.  

You mean that you won't be disposing of your SW coins that you get off the fork so that you can accumulate non SW coins? I admire your principles.  Grin

I will be immediately liquidating some of them yes, and continue to liquidate as the market asserts itself based on the fact that users want low fees and fast confirmations, and a Bitcoin that can scale.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1827
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form.  

You mean that you won't be disposing of your SW coins that you get off the fork so that you can accumulate non SW coins? I admire your principles.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1004
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
stop fudding, this has nothing to do with KYC.

Anyway i wont be running or using SW in any way shape or form. 
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1827
If you don't like the seeds, simply download the code yourself, change the seeds to whatever you like and then compile. It's that easy.  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
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All companies that signed this NY Silbert Agreement should refer to their in-house
counsel(s) and potentially receive a second legal opinion from outside reputable
independent counsel, so they are fully aware of what they have willingly participated in
and created, and if possible, take corrective actions before any liabilities manifest.
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Why is it that the companies get a say? They are centralised entities. Miners and users are the one who must decide, no one else.

You may be confusing Legal Obligations and Responsible Parties versus being a
simple Bitcoin participant that has no power to steer the network. The legal issue only
comes about from the chain split itself in conjunction with agreements with legal entities.

It is not that they "get a say", it is that they have individually injected their corporate
entitles into a possible liable situation, where the responsibility of the network and any
liabilities that could result, is no longer transferred to the Network and ignored
due to it non-enforceablity, but is directed toward those signing corporations, since they
have willingly and without coercion chosen to take on that legal responsibility.

Simple answer is that the Law does not care about if Users want to use the new chain.
The issue is who is now responsible for failures of and in the new chain. Originally, we all
agreed by high community consensus to move together, thus no one is responsible in
legal theory, but if a minority group of corporations (which are legally bound entities)
bind themselves with an agreement to support a new client that causes a new chain,
or others in the community do not join them, and that chain exists, it does so under a
different legal form than prior chains. This new chain has legal responsibility attached
through the agreements that the corporations have signed. In theory, if that chain
is edited or work is reversed to fix a Mt. Gox like theft in the future, or even if it isn't
edited or work is reversed, that is a catch 22 where I could bring suit against the signing
corporations for either choice. They are damn if they do, and damned if they don't.
That is why Satoshi designed the Network as is and High Community Consensus was
preferred. No one who is reasonable wants to take on liabilities like this. Currently, under
the way the current chain theory works, it is very hard to litigate someone because it is
the users who decide. But in this case, those exchanges have already agreed prior, thus
accepting responsibility automatically since they are legally bound entities already.
Basically, they are leading and not following the user. You must remember to consider
those businesses not a users themselves, but as banks. There are different and higher
standards for them, than for normal users.

The point of my posting was that this is a new precedent that has not occurred in Bitcoin
before and should be looked into more closely since there are serious liabilities possibilities
that can exist now, that was near impossible before.
sr. member
Activity: 1400
Merit: 269
It seems like this seeds enables the blockchain to reveal our identities just like how they track the illegal torrent users. Are we some kind of criminals, why are they adding crap in bitcoin ? That would not be bitcoin anymore but rather will be something like ETH. The original purpose of bitcoin was to send and receive transactions anonymously this is a huge turn off for bitcoin users as they use BTC because of it's decentralized feature. The devs or whoever controlling it behind should probably reconsider this implementation.
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

Under this new client type, if it forms their own chain, there is a high probability
that any mixed coins or coins that do not come directly from approved exchanges/
services will be blacklisted or considered "dirty". This policy will reinforce the false
perceived value of the clean coins, thus incentivizing the ignorant to want blacklists
and the theft of "rights" of their fellow users. Eventually, those who remain will be
the most monitored and enslaved, yet they will call it freedom.

In addition, immutability may not have a certain probability of existing on that chain
since the creation and transference of liabilities from events on this chain, is applied
to the companies that formed and support this client. This has never occurred in the
bitcoin space prior to this event. It would be considered under most jurisdictions, that
these companies in fact created this new product, instead of just providing a connection
to an unregulatable pre-existing product. Thus, there is a high probability of a future
chain edit or "roll backs" on this chain type due to their new legal responsibilities. So,
by the NYA's signatories' creation, immutability can not exist on this chain, because
they have taken on liabilities that they will be forced to expel through chain edits,
instead of through quantifiable damages in courtrooms.

There are very important reasons why Satoshi did what he did, and designed as he
did. It was to protect all participants within the Bitcoin ecosystem. So be careful
what you wish for, because you just might get it all.

All companies that signed this NY Silbert Agreement should refer to their in-house
counsel(s) and potentially receive a second legal opinion from outside reputable
independent counsel, so they are fully aware of what they have willingly participated in
and created, and if possible, take corrective actions before any liabilities manifest.


[Edit: For clarification, the legal issue stems from the ABC Client using a new chain
with protocol changes that were "contentious". When a forked chain occurs, where two
chains will survive or the ABC chain supplants the current chain, the ABC client chain
with it's signing corporations, all legally bound themselves as responsible parties for all
actions on that new chain, including but not limited to, failures in code and on-chain
transactions that facilitate illegal deeds.

This is attributable because without their collective action, this ABC chain and any liabilities
that occur, could not have reasonably come about on it own accord. It comes from their
collective agreement and support for taking on this liability whether aware of or not at the
time of signing. Corporations are held to higher standards when signing agreements, than
compared to individuals or by High Consensus. Ignorance of what they participated in,
does not absolve them of potential future damages to certain parties. There was an very
important reason why Consensus and One Chain was a rule. It was not to restrict some,
but to protect all parties involved in this Experiment.]



Why is it that the companies get a say? They are centralised entities. Miners and users are the one who must decide, no one else.
hero member
Activity: 2128
Merit: 524
Haha because we all want what's best for financial institutions. We want to help them decide what is a fraud or not and we want them to monitor our blockchain activity.
Damn, that's a nice find. No to centralization no to bankers and no to government tracking!
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