Topic: Joe's Signatureless Challenge Archives - page 11. (Read 10707 times)

I plan to, at some point, apply to be a merit source. It just seems like staff is swamped with applications for merit sources at this point and there is no shortage of merit to go around in my opinion. There are people entirely more qualified for me that have applied and have been waiting a long time for a response (LoyceV for example). I don't feel like throwing my application on their pile of work, given all these other criteria, is going to do anyone any good so I've been doing my best to understand the merit system better and get a feel for how it should be utilized. I've been involved with challenges, review threads and discussions about merit so that I know what I'm doing before I'm a staff selected merit source. There's been only minimal shortage of merit, and I haven't felt limited to a significant degree on the sMerit I can deliver so it's been a good experience to see what a regular user is going to experience. It just seems appropriate to use the system regularly before applying, and seeing if there is even a need for me to do so.

I can't speak for Joe, so I'd have to let him answer.

digaran, this all just seems like discussion for another place. If you would like to have this conversation then please feel free to start a thread where appropriate, or we can all discuss this in PM. Your concerns are invalid in my opinion; I think you're coming to the wrong conclusions while presenting them arrogantly.


This is probably the best way to do it, that way nobody gets taken on an emotional roller coaster like last round. We've got the hefty prize this round, toughit is a quality user for donating their prize towards the pool. They're probably one of the top donors to the challenge at this point  

That doesn't make any sense at all. Nobody is "making" anyone do anything here.

To me this thread is a huge help because I can find members and posts that I otherwise have no chance of finding in the deluge of sewer that this forum is becoming. If there are quality members not getting merits please direct them to this thread or to other similar threads or send them your own sMerits. Be part of the solution.

I dont feel you need to be a merit source be allowed to encourage people to post quality content, even non merit sources have freely encouraged people in meta (read: the mods, DTs, veteran users, etc who aren't necessarily sources but still want the betterment of the forum)


I have no clue what the link to Chipmixer is and pretty sure that the one of the top merited members statement refers to Nullius, pretty sure there's tons of people willing to pay him much more than the average 2nd and 3rd price here per week to post (the prizes are 5-10$ if I'm not forgetting which is much much smaller than the average payout for a full members account). He has no reason to alt and post quality content to get like what is 15$ extra a week.


IDK about the others, I'm surely not posting exclusively for the prizes, if I were then I'd be participating in the millions of low effort bounty programs that "bounty hunters" love. I do not understand why you feel that we're producing unnecessary content, even if we were I'd say how is it bad that some productive content is being posted to balance out the utter garbage the aforementioned bounty hunters spew to fund their shill money filled pockets.


Again doesn't relate to this campaign in anyway


What? Why would garbage posters even bother for a campaign which is more or less a competition? (I mean I agree some idiots exist who just join thinking this is some run of the mill campaign but those don't even participate a second time and are dropping as the rounds are passing from the looks of the registrants). I also don't understand what you mean by what 22 people posted garbage? Participating in a signature campaign = posting garbage? That's not how stuff works.


I'm not upto date on merit sources but isnt Darkstar the only merit source who's sponsoring the merits? And that too he seems to be doing so willingly on a volunteer basis. Most of the the other merits are from regular users. Besides how is the campaign different from what many merit sources run where they audit your posts? This is just a more "fun" way to do the same thing


Just wondering on this one, Joe and Bill why not apply aswell?

You are not a source, why are you encouraging people to post in order to earn merits? I'm not on a high horse, you are. enrolled in a campaign yourself and looking down on people and their contribution like you are doing a charity. you do know that many of the members here would participate in anything for a few bucks? you are literally paying people with merits and money.

You have literally one of the top merited members participating here, we all know that he has the ability to participate with several accounts and win the prizes, you do have the same ability as well as any other Chipmixer members.  why don't you read through boards and pages to merit the good posts if you want to contribute? the whole merit system is a challenge for everybody, why would you create a mini challenge to do the same but with a big difference, you are producing more unnecessary content.

I wanted to merit DarkStar_ for something he provided me with. I told him that I wont merit him with my source, because he is a campaign manager, I shouldn't send any merits to a manager while I'm enrolled in signature campaign.

Why don't you remove your signature and post constructively, then wait for others to evaluate your contribution and give you merits? you have turned this to an opportunity to make your paid job easier for yourself. you are posting with a paid signature and claim that you are helping. you are asking people to come to you for merits. 25 participants and 3 winners, that means you have made 22 other members to post garbage, they are getting paid with money and yet they are posting garbage, do you think earning merits could be a better motivation?

How many members are posting with a substantial quality and get no merits? if you are indirectly making other members and merit sources to spend their merits on a member with the same post quality of another unmerited member, you are by definition allowing a selected few to farm merits.
If I have said "job" is because I have a limited vocabulary. don't expect a third world terrorist to know everything.

Btw, why didn't you apply to become a source? if you had the intentions of helping, you didn't volunteer why? you didn't want to help or spend time? what you are doing now is not spending time right?

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Thanks before and god bless.

Thanks for going SegWit! And yes, you are able to win the consolation prize repeatedly and consecutively. Only the first place prize has the stipulation that it cannot be awarded consecutively from round to round.

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Great, I have updated the top post. Thanks, Geraldo!

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Yeah, lol. Apologies; I was in a rush. I'm hoping that I won't make the same mistake again in the future

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Yup, the first place winner will receive $45 or $50! I have also decided that as long as the round begins with 25 valid participants, the cash prize for 3rd place will be available, even if users are disqualified during the round. The escrow should be fine for this week; I'm adding some more to it shortly. Thanks!

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I will include a link to each round of applications in the top post. I will make an exception for you (and any other user that displays similar privacy and personal concerns) whereas you can PM me your application directly.

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Perfect! I have added you to the list of sponsors. Thank you for doing this.

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Of course! So this week, we will have 2 Consolation Prizes. OP and Sponsor list updated.

First of all, the nature of this challenge makes it difficult for users to create quality posts from multiple accounts. While I have let alts join the challenge, @nullius hasn't enrolled in the challenge with his alt (@Meretrix). Because this issue was raised (sorry for just seeing this post; I must have missed it during the time it took me to create the next post after yours), I will create a rule that any participant that gets caught for joining with an alt account (simultaneously with their main account in the same round) will be disqualified and banned for the entirety of this challenge and all future rounds.

You have accused me of "farming" merits. I think that is a very irresponsible statement, and it shows that you have no regard for my intentions of making this forum a better place by spending HOURS (yes, hours upon hours) maintaining this challenge on a weekly basis. I have never asked anyone for merits, and I never will. I have no control over who decides to award me merits personally (here or in any other post of mine), but I'm willing to bet that none of them have questioned my ability to make great detailed posts, including within this challenge, which shows my overall commitment to the forums, its members, and the overall crypto community. The fact that you would make an accusation like this towards me makes me question your ability to properly identify and award merits as a source.

I am "selling merits"? I would ask you to explain this in further detail, but I don't think you have the ability to do so. You will just use and portray your personal opinion, which has no factual basis to prove that I am taking any form of payment for providing this challenge. It started with me donating $25 and merits personally. I never asked anyone to donate any cash or merits to this challenge; they volunteered to do so. I have never asked for payments (cash, BTC, or merits) of any kind from any participants or sponsors, and I never will. So stating that I am selling merits is a blatant form of disrespect to me and the community members that have CHOSEN to be a part of this. They are not promised anything in return, and they never will be.

You seem to have a bone to pick with @nullius. That's fine, but don't criticize and make false accusations towards others because of your dislike for him. You're souring a great opportunity for members here to make some bitcoin and merits for avidly wanting to improve their posts. Yes, while a lot may simply see the $$$ behind this challenge, most of them are dedicated to wanting to improve their post quality. The ones that are in it just for the money obviously have not re-enrolled or met the requirements, as is openly evident in the public spreadsheet from week-to-week.


Your spite is unreal in this very statement alone. I was considering not even addressing it, but I will. But just the part about you taking your job as a merit source very seriously. Don't let that misconstrue your abuse of power by thinking that it actually gives you some sort of power to be demeaning towards others. Yes, you are taking your "job" (which implies that YOU are getting paid, not me, like you've previously stated ) very seriously. Too seriously. It's not a fucking job. You don't get compensated for it, but the fact that you have called it a job implies that you feel you deserve some sort of compensation. In this case, it seems as if your ego needs stroking or your back needs patting because you became a merit source. You won't get that from me, or anyone else you've insulted in this thread. You are a little shit, and you can shove your almighty merits up your ass.


And are you saying that you merited a user because of your spite towards another user? Is that a responsible method of awarding merit, especially as a merit source? I truly do not understand what you're trying to say here. Again, you must have let becoming a merit source get to your head. Because I have never considered treating you differently because you're a merit source. I personally don't give a shit that you are a source.


Now you're stating that you will not award merit solely for the purpose of one user's actions, just because he is a campaign manager of a signature campaign that has 58 members in it? You're blatantly admitting that 58 users of the forums, regardless of their substantial post quality, will never receive a merit from a merit source because of your disdain for one person. @DarkStar_ has absolutely no control over what or how I post, and if he were to tell me to change the way I post, I would tell him to fuck off. This just shows how irresponsible you are as a merit source, and I personally think that it is enough grounds to make theymos aware of your irresponsible behavior. It's obvious that time has shown that you are not worthy of being a responsible and fair source of merit. At least to me, it is. I don't speak for anyone else, but I will be making a personal complaint about your behavior to the staff of the forums. You're letting your personal emotions get in the way of your "job". For personal reference, if you were my employee and expressed this same type of behavior, I would terminate your employment immediately.


Maybe you haven't taken the time to read the original post. Or taken the time to review the spreadsheet. Or the hours of commentary I have provided for each participant after reading EVERY SINGLE post that they have made. Or the critique that I give them in helping them to try to improve their post quality. Or the willing participants who have taken the time to read the comments and proceed to THANK ME for this service, and for the opportunity to improve their English and posting quality. Even if the "garbage posters" weren't a part of this challenge, they would still be across the forums posting "garbage" to get their post counts up anyways. At least here, they get constructive criticism and feedback. Whether they choose to heed my advice or not is up to them, not me. I don't force them to be a participant, and I don't make any personal guarantees that they will win. But thank you for at least prefacing your statement with your self-aware confession to your opinion being arrogant. If anything, however, you're the one producing spam in this thread.

I was thinking about addressing you privately regarding this matter, but because you have chosen to call me and a few members out publicly in this thread, I have shown you the same courtesy in reciprocating your own actions.


This is not worthy of a detailed response. But I'm just quoting it in order to reference it. Have fun deleting your posts; I've archived each individual page, as well.

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EDIT: Did I just get trolled? I think I've just come to realize that @digaran is not actually a merit source. Well, shit.

Can I try?

BitcoinTalk Username: SHOWDENY
Starting Post Count (including this one): 7
Current Rank: Newbie
BTC Address:

It would really help if you could just delete the posts that aren't registrants. I mean, the debates mixed with registration just doesn't do anything but give everyone extra work.

I myself have to go back and find my original entry post just to sign up for round 4 later on.

I think maybe if you had a separate thread solely for registration purposes, it would make more sense. Like, maybe put a link in the first page to the registration thread.

I think that's more feasible actually, because everyone's deleting their registration posts anyway. So might as well ask everyone to delete & register @ other thread.

I would really be down for that, less work for everyone involved, including you, Joe.

Hello, @zangleerb and @DREWSKIE. Welcome to the challenge! Because you have missed the cutoff for Round 3, I have reserved you two spots for the next round (Round 4, beginning Sunday, March 25 6:00PM [GMT -6].

All other applicants have been accepted and added to the spreadsheet.

Unless I missed anyone (which could be the case, but I'll review the thread again), we are at 24 participants for Round 3. This means that there will not be a 3rd place cash prize.

Because of the emotional roller-coaster for the last round, I've decided that if we have 25 valid participants at the beginning of the round, the cash prize for 3rd prize will be available, even if a participant is disqualified throughout the round. I will re-visit this if this is abused, but I don't expect that will happen.

I apparently missed some posts here, as given the slight drama in the forums, so I'm going to go back and address all the posts that I have not already. Sit tight.

Hi! Can i join the next round if there any.

BitcoinTalk Username: DREWSKIE
Starting Post Count (including this one): 11
Current Rank: Newbie
BTC Address: 3LUJpeNuGEEfefwKVkAicfNmoRE2doZag1

Looking forward for quality posts...

I don't think you're being ignored or unseen. I think people are unsure how to respond to you most of the time if we're being honest. I laugh through most of your posts, but then I cringe at other parts of it. I'm interested in hearing more about why you refuse to merit ChipMixer participants from your source merits, potentially in PM so we don't clutter a thread. Just out of curiosity, because we seem to accumulate a good amount of merit even with your refusal; I'm just wondering if there is something worth knowing.

At least you admit your opinion is arrogant.
Point out the participants that are producing more spam as a result of this competition.
Are any participants being rewarded to spam?


Don't worry about it. Real life comes first, if something needs to be handled you handle it. You're still more active then me while being busy, so I wouldn't think much of it or feel the need to apologize.


I doubt Joe would do anything to alienate participants knowingly, but I agree that we should do something to optimize applications. I would offer my help in this area, but I'm not sure I can realistically watch this thread enough to handle that sufficiently.


The implication being that you wouldn't thank me if you weren't tardy.  
It seemed appropriate for it to be that post.


I do my best to avoid the drama. Too much epeen measuring. If something needs my opinion I'll share it, but it seems my viewpoint is normally represented by one party or another. They are of very limited interest, for very limited reasons and the least of which is altruism or benevolence I'm afraid.


Turn it up to 11, ole' chap.

Hi Joe, I hope to be in for the 3rd round because of I don't find my name in the spreadsheet.

Thanks for your initiative and thanks to all that offer their merits.

PS: if you think to reward me, please give the prize to charity.

Bye!

I'd like to sponsor 2nd consodalation price for this week, if still possible.
Will provide with 2 merit as well 

Let me know if you accept this Joe, and i will save them.

Thanks Nullius I have always found your posts to be informative and create some great discussion. This has been a great challenge and a way to notice some other users that post quality information. 

@BTCforJoe Not sure if you updated my reward conditions on the main post.
I will be reviewing all the posts from the last round that was posted before 19 March midnight (Indian Standard Time) and hopefully choose the first recipient of my first merit point giveaway.
Its only 1 point as I am not a merit source, but I hope its worth it.

Quoting my original post here :

For Week 3, at the eleventh hour last minute:

BitcoinTalk Username: nullius (#976210)
Starting Post Count (including this one): 907
Current Rank: Full Member
BTC Address: 32ZRRCFWoCn2hxqSfAHC36YcTvtea3xjJc

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My apologies for the delayed response; some things IRL have been pulling me away from the forum of late.

Congratulations to Toughit!  Also to flip4flop.  I had not seen you before; I will must needs take a peek at your post history.  I think that drawing attention to worthwhile authors is one of the substantial benefits of this contest.  Blue Tyrant, cheers on your honourable mention.

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Quote from: BTCforJoe on March 19, 2018, 02:15:09 AM

Quote from: pugman on March 19, 2018, 01:54:05 AM

Joe, have you thought of using Google forms for application processing? This way, spam can be reduced and it'll also reduce your work, and you won't miss any participants too. Things become much clearer then.

My god, why didn't I think of this beforehand. You, sir, are awesome.

I'll be setting up a google form for future rounds (starting with Round 4 applications). Thanks for this!

I agree that an alternate means of collecting entries would make the thread much more readable; but I must ask, do Google Forms require Javascript?  (Or worse, a Google account?)  If so, I may not enter an application.  I don’t know how Google Forms work, since I avoid Google services as much as practicable.

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Quote from: BTCforJoe on March 19, 2018, 12:36:19 AM

Round 3 Winners, will you please post links to the posts that you would like for the merit sponsors to award your merit to?

Since I seem to be a bit tardy here, I must thank bill gator for having applied my prize to my same Dev & Tech debut post as Darkstar_ and BossMacko applied my award last week.

To address the substance of your question:

Many of my posts this week were made in controversy-related threads, and/or dealt with forum abusers.  Those are important in their own right, but of limited interest.  Setting those aside, I think that my best posts of general interest this week were:

• 2018-03-12 23:31:12: Copper memories: Copper Membership endorsed by nullius
• 2018-03-12 23:53:04: Suggestion: Raise merit requirements at the lower and highest ranks (@theymos)
• 2018-03-13 00:12:28: Intra-thread meta: Reviewing the use and efficacy of the main merit abuse thread
• 2018-03-13 05:26:39: Against the concept of a “Serious Discussion” forum
• 2018-03-13 09:48:07: Erotic Bitcoin fetish: On my precedent idea for sexy QR code (temporary) tattoos (note: this was primarily a reference to a post made through my new role account, which cannot yet post in Serious Discussion)
• 2018-03-13 10:07:48: Just say NO to KYC privacy-rape doxing!
• 2018-03-14 10:16:41: 😈😈😈 PGP *fingerprints* airdropped to YuTü.Co.in!! SPONSORED BY RFC4880 😈😈😈  (Unfortunately, this was the most technical post I made this week; it was in answer to a question about PGP.)

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Quote from: BTCforJoe on March 19, 2018, 12:36:19 AM

Round 3 Merit Stats: This round, a total of 47 Merits were earned by 10 participants. Great job on earning those merits this week!

Well, I think I’ll need to up my game here.

You are a very hilarious guy, i give you that.
I don't think that theymos would react, but nullius does deserve his own rank kind of, because i have not seen so techinical as well as contributing poster ever before.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32604765 Gave 3
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32415785 Gave 3
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32250593 Gave 2

Hi Joe,  thanks for the win, I did not expect it, but I will take a second to Nullius any day.
I can’t believe how much work you are putting into this!!
These were my favorites for the week, If there are any merits, I don’t think putting them on any single would be right as it might look funny to someone in the future.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32604765
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32415785
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32250593

For week 3 if not too late:

BitcoinTalk Username: toughit
Starting Post Count (including this one): 240
Current Rank: Full Member
BTC Address: roll it over this week