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March 16, 2018, 05:07:59 PM
Oh, dear.  Please do not use brainwallets!  Brainwallets are insecure.  AVOID.

I call brainwallets “wallets for the brainless”; but you needn’t take my word for it:


Unless I'm missing something the brain wallet you're referring are places where people try to remember the seed of the wallet and not Brainwalletx which is just a site with a bunch of tools including verify signed messages (and ofc generating brain wallet seeds)
legendary
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March 16, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
I would have suggested Electrum, but now I’m confused.  If you run Core, then what is the problem?  Core v0.16 has full Segwit support, including in the GUI.  It can send to both native (BIP173/Bech32) and P2SH-nested Segwit addresses, as well as generating both types of addresses for receiving.

Apologies for the confusion. My problem is that almost all of my funds are on Nested SegWits that will not send to Native SegWit and I was not thinking in the moment to transfer some of the funds over to my Core address(es) to handle movement of the funds. There is no problem, anymore, the only problem at the time was me being in a rush and not considering what my options were so I just assumed I was unable to do so and sent it to Joe without further thought.

I did not know it could Generate both addresses, though so you've taught me something. We're all set for future movement of funds, at least from my end. Segwit of all types, nested, native or some creepy hybrid in between.
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March 16, 2018, 03:37:51 PM
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
March 16, 2018, 12:48:16 PM

Oh, dear.  Please do not use brainwallets!  Brainwallets are insecure.  AVOID.

I call brainwallets “wallets for the brainless”; but you needn’t take my word for it:

I think it's amusing that the two people in this thread loudly trumpeting brainwallets are someone who says they have a fetish for cracking passwords and someone who has posted extensively about wallet cracking and tried to sell scam wallet cracking tools.

This fits right in with the fact that person who popularized the idea and created brainwallet.org was cracking these kinds of keys and complaining about how few he was finding online before creating the site.

Food for thought.


It is highly NOT RECOMMENDED to use brainwallets. Humans are a horrendously low source of entropy. There are multiple research papers and programs that show that brainwallets are horribly insecure and easily cracked as what you think is a strong password probably is not a strong password.

BIP 38 paper wallets will not be particularly helpful here. It only protects against someone stealing your paper wallet and trying to get the keys. BIP 38 does not protect against someone just guessing the password you used to create your brainwallet.


Generally, my assumption is that when an otherwise intelligent person advocates for brainwallets, it's because they are hoping that foolish people with weak passphrases will store significant sums of bitcoin that they can later steal.

If you want to personally use a brainwallet. Go ahead.  None of us are stopping you. However, if you are going to advocate for them, then foolish people will read what you write and will lose money.

Not only that:  Long-term storage of funds inside your head is more likely than you think to lead to funds being literally forgotten—and thus lost forever, if somebody else doesn’t helpfully steal them.

- They don't require backups
Human memory is very fallible.  We often just don't remember what we don't remember so we don't often realize how bad it is.   A fever, blow to the head, or other illness can easily kill single memories even of things you used frequently-- a brain wallet is the hardest kind to remember: to be secure it must be unusually random, and you should not be using it frequently (if you use it frequently, you will end up leaking it somehow) and being almost right is not good enough!





Native Segwit Addresses aren't supported by the wallets Joe and Bill Gator use.

This is something I am looking to remedy for future rounds. I'm open to suggestions, but I'm thinking I will probably just use my Electrum wallet for Native SegWit addresses. I believe I can transfer from Core to Electrum, so that's probably what I'll do so that we don't discourage SegWit usage. I suppose I don't even need to transfer it over to Electrum, could just send it directly from Core to the Native SegWit addresses of participants. It's something I'm perfectly willing and happy to do for participants. I just had a bit of a brain hiccup when it came time to send the winnings at the end of last round, because I was in quite a rush and didn't have time to consider the solutions.

There are no Nested SegWit wallets/clients that offer compatibility with Native SegWit addresses that I know of; is there such a thing currently? There might be technical complications that I'm failing to consider that make this impossible for now.

I would have suggested Electrum, but now I’m confused.  If you run Core, then what is the problem?  Core v0.16 has full Segwit support, including in the GUI.  It can send to both native (BIP173/Bech32) and P2SH-nested Segwit addresses, as well as generating both types of addresses for receiving.

Bitcoin Core version 0.16.0 is now available from:

  https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.16.0

[...]

### Segwit Wallet

Bitcoin Core 0.16.0 introduces full support for segwit in the wallet and user interfaces. A new `-addresstype` argument has been added, which supports `legacy`, `p2sh-segwit` (default), and `bech32` addresses. It controls what kind of addresses are produced by `getnewaddress`, `getaccountaddress`, and `createmultisigaddress`. A `-changetype` argument has also been added, with the same options, and by default equal to `-addresstype`, to control which kind of change is used.

[...]

### BIP173 (Bech32) Address support ("bc1..." addresses)

Full support for native segwit addresses (BIP173 / Bech32) has now been added.
This includes the ability to send to BIP173 addresses (including non-v0 ones), and generating these
addresses (including as default new addresses, see above).

A checkbox has been added to the GUI to select whether a Bech32 address or P2SH-wrapped address should be generated when using segwit addresses. When launched with `-addresstype=bech32` it is checked by default. When launched with `-addresstype=legacy` it is unchecked and disabled.
legendary
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March 16, 2018, 11:41:52 AM
After giving it a little bit of consideration I've decided to increase the amount of merit I'll hand out to 2nd place (at least for this round). It looks weird that 3rd place gets more merit than 2nd, even if there is a cash prize. I will give 3-Merit for 2nd place, instead of 1. I'll do my best to earn some more merit so that I can make it consistently a solid amount of merit; no promises, but maybe someday down the line I'll be able to become a source. One can only hope, but for now 3 is the best I can do and there is no promises for future rounds besides the original pledge of 1-merit.
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March 16, 2018, 11:23:12 AM
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legendary
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March 16, 2018, 11:17:03 AM
Native Segwit Addresses aren't supported by the wallets Joe and Bill Gator use. I suggest you try to make a P2SH Nested Segwit address for now till the issue is solved (or native becomes the "norm" enough for more wallets to support it)

This is something I am looking to remedy for future rounds. I'm open to suggestions, but I'm thinking I will probably just use my Electrum wallet for Native SegWit addresses. I believe I can transfer from Core to Electrum, so that's probably what I'll do so that we don't discourage SegWit usage. I suppose I don't even need to transfer it over to Electrum, could just send it directly from Core to the Native SegWit addresses of participants. It's something I'm perfectly willing and happy to do for participants. I just had a bit of a brain hiccup when it came time to send the winnings at the end of last round, because I was in quite a rush and didn't have time to consider the solutions.

There are no Nested SegWit wallets/clients that offer compatibility with Native SegWit addresses that I know of; is there such a thing currently? There might be technical complications that I'm failing to consider that make this impossible for now.
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Collectrix-Bridgin the physical and Virtual worlds
March 16, 2018, 09:28:09 AM
I love this movement,I am a newbie and this is my first day of posting but I would not be entering the challenge for this week,I want to spend this time getting acclimated to the forum but I would wear the signature anyways to show my 100% support for this wonderful initiative.
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March 15, 2018, 10:23:44 PM
Hi! I would like to change my addy, here is signed message for you:
Code:
This is sellingaccs and today is 16.03.2018. Im signing this message from my staked address to prove that i am the owner of this account. I would like to change my address to bech32 format for BTCforJoe signatureless campaign. Address: bc1qpaccs4mpnzehs27usjc7yuc2fcjxh4z669jtq0

1ACCs9LEvxV2o4zSWKMUYUHp1DKTrAHFcU

HBBMQcA+3r27QvAO9jcjAaKHNcyoNMsmLRPMz70hpwpDKg6LSCZhJgcR8gxJd9CHVf2sGTFUwgYo6W+6Gc/dj5g=

Quoted and   verified by Brainwallet but currently Native Segwit Addresses aren't supported by the wallets Joe and Bill Gator use. I suggest you try to make a P2SH Nested Segwit address for now till the issue is solved (or native becomes the "norm" enough for more wallets to support it)
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March 15, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
Hi! I would like to change my addy, here is signed message for you:
Code:
This is sellingaccs and today is 16.03.2018. Im signing this message from my staked address to prove that i am the owner of this account. I would like to change my address to bech32 format for BTCforJoe signatureless campaign. Address: bc1qpaccs4mpnzehs27usjc7yuc2fcjxh4z669jtq0

1ACCs9LEvxV2o4zSWKMUYUHp1DKTrAHFcU

HBBMQcA+3r27QvAO9jcjAaKHNcyoNMsmLRPMz70hpwpDKg6LSCZhJgcR8gxJd9CHVf2sGTFUwgYo6W+6Gc/dj5g=

Edit: Will providr compatible address if needed.
legendary
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March 15, 2018, 05:48:42 PM
Permission granted Smiley

If you view the spreadsheet, you will see a newly added section for posts that I consider meritorious. You can easily choose one member a week amongst the participants to award the merit to. I will also try to include the top posts of the week at the end of each round, but this is dependent of how much time I have available lol

I like the implementation of the "meritorious posts" section for the challenge participants. This gives participants an increased chance at being noticed by a higher ranking member with a lot of merit and therefore more likely to earn merit. This offers people the chance to get involved and sponsor the challenge without committing to a cash sponsor or a continuous merit sponsor; users are now able to simply take a peak at the meritorious posts and decide whether or not they would like to contribute to what we are accomplishing.

I imagine we will see a lot of recidivism within this challenge, so I would assume that Round 3 and onward will have a 3rd place cash prize. Unless we have some more rule-breakers, that is.

I'll be throwing around extra merits here and there for thought-provoking discussions, posts, tutorials or whatever else fits my criteria. I'll do "Merit reviews" like I do in my thread for random participants now and then.
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March 15, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
If you view the spreadsheet, you will see a newly added section for posts that I consider meritorious. You can easily choose one member a week amongst the participants to award the merit to. I will also try to include the top posts of the week at the end of each round, but this is dependent of how much time I have available lol

Same here, even I am slacking on my Job board thread the last 2 weeks due to some offline work. If only the forum allowed thread based mods other than the OP that the OP himself could pick and grant certain permissions.
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March 15, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
With due permission.

I would like to award 1 Merit to ONE Newbie &/or Jr Member per week. I have 12 sMerits available with me as of now, so I will be doing this for the next 12 weekly rounds at least (or till my sMerits last).

Who would I award?
Anyone that makes a constructive post where the intent is not to smooch off merit points.
I will never award and Merit points to you if you message me to review your post.
I will award only 1 Jr Member or 1 Newbie per week.
I may choose to not award any Merit point in any weekly round if I do not see a worthy post for that particular week's round.

Once OP approves this and if more of you want me to continue supporting this indefinitely, considering sending merit points to this post of mine, so I'll always have enough Merit points to give away each week.

Permission granted Smiley

If you view the spreadsheet, you will see a newly added section for posts that I consider meritorious. You can easily choose one member a week amongst the participants to award the merit to. I will also try to include the top posts of the week at the end of each round, but this is dependent of how much time I have available lol
hero member
Activity: 1778
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www.V.systems
March 15, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
With due permission.

I would like to award 1 Merit to ONE Newbie &/or Jr Member per week. I have 12 sMerits available with me as of now, so I will be doing this for the next 12 weekly rounds at least (or till my sMerits last).

Who would I award?
Anyone that makes a constructive post where the intent is not to smooch off merit points.
I will never award and Merit points to you if you message me to review your post.
I will award only 1 Jr Member or 1 Newbie per week.
I may choose to not award any Merit point in any weekly round if I do not see a worthy post for that particular week's round.

Once OP approves this and if more of you want me to continue supporting this indefinitely, considering sending merit points to this post of mine, so I'll always have enough Merit points to give away each week.
legendary
Activity: 1372
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March 15, 2018, 12:20:12 PM
@fakegurutu has been disqualified from this week's round, as they have applied to a paid signature campaign after applying for this challenge.

This means that there are only 24 valid participants in this round. Unfortunately, this also means that there will not be a cash prize for 3rd place. Sad

In other news, I will be tracking merits earned from participants through this challenge, and you can find a "Merit Stats" tab in the spreadsheet (click here to be taken directly to the merit tab in the spreadsheet)

Hopefully, we can have at least 25 qualified participants for this challenge in Round 3. Sorry, everyone Sad

Awh, fakegurutu why did you have to go and ruin it for everyone? Rules are rules though, and I would hate to make an exception just because someone broke the rules. I like the merit stats google spreadsheet, gives us a better ability to see what sort of post quality our participants are operating with. I'm sure round 3 will have enough participants for a 3rd place.

I have decided to add a section to the spreadsheet that will reference up to 5 meritorious posts that I see throughout the week. This will be added at some point before the current round is concluded.
I can donate 5 merits/week to the top poster as well. Let me know!

I believe by round 5, I’d like to slightly reduce the amount of merits that the top ranks can earn for each round and encourage more members to utilize the spreadsheet to merit a few posts that are deemed meritorious

Monbux is the man, they even popped into my sMerit review thread and offered their merit services there as well. It seems they know where merit is being used properly and are a positive proponent. Putting up meritorious posts is a really good idea, for multiple reasons. We can use this to distribute merit to the participants, review the post quality of the better participants and to give struggling users a reference for what constitutes a proper post. It might be nice to have 5-Slots that are Cash + Merit and 5-slots that are just merit or something like that if you're looking to spread the love around to those participants making an effort.
legendary
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March 15, 2018, 09:42:45 AM
I have decided to add a section to the spreadsheet that will reference up to 5 meritorious posts that I see throughout the week. This will be added at some point before the current round is concluded.



I can donate 5 merits/week to the top poster as well. Let me know!

Awesome, thank you! I will add you as a merit sponsor. At some point, I believe by round 5, I’d like to slightly reduce the amount of merits that the top ranks can earn for each round and encourage more members to utilize the spreadsheet to merit a few posts that are deemed meritorious (subjective to my personal criteria: you’re more than welcome to peruse the participants’ post history to find and merit other posts, as well).

This is so exciting to see more and more people taking interest to this type of challenge, and I really hope it is making a difference, regardless of how small that difference is Smiley
Not a problem! Got to put those merits somewhere.

I am not a merit source which is why I'm only contributing 5 merits/week. :O
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March 15, 2018, 09:08:04 AM

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Dear Joe ! I want to know if I am among the participants. I support your campaign and have applied before ! Thanks.
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March 15, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
I have decided to add a section to the spreadsheet that will reference up to 5 meritorious posts that I see throughout the week. This will be added at some point before the current round is concluded.


That's a great addition to the spreadsheet!  Thanks for adding that to see what is considered a meritorious post.
hero member
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March 15, 2018, 03:19:44 AM
Been interesting watching how this whole thing has played out, not bad to have 24 participants just in week two. Hey, the way BTC prices are going, this might even be one of the highest paying campaigns soon  Grin
hero member
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March 15, 2018, 02:51:46 AM
@fakegurutu has been disqualified from this week's round, as they have applied to a paid signature campaign after applying for this challenge.



This means that there are only 24 valid participants in this round. Unfortunately, this also means that there will not be a cash prize for 3rd place. Sad

In other news, I will be tracking merits earned from participants through this challenge, and you can find a "Merit Stats" tab in the spreadsheet (click here to be taken directly to the merit tab in the spreadsheet)

Hopefully, we can have at least 25 qualified participants for this challenge in Round 3. Sorry, everyone Sad
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