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legendary
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May 28, 2019, 11:31:24 AM
#52
standard, weird, unintelligible conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo

I am a lizard man and the pedo overlord alien Clinton demands you stop exposing the truth about us.

Its reptilian. If you are trying to make a joke at least get the lingo down Captain Commie Canuck. Also the Clintons absolutely are involved in child sex trafficking, that is a fact.
legendary
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May 28, 2019, 11:17:23 AM
#51
standard, weird, unintelligible conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo

I am a lizard man and the pedo overlord alien Clinton demands you stop exposing the truth about us.
legendary
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May 26, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
#50
it's someone you do not perceive as an enemy.

It's funny you seem to know what I think about Assange.  I am not an Assange fan, at all.  If it could be proven he actively helped Manning steal the classified documents I think he should be punished for that.  I don't for one second think he should be punished for doing something EVERY media outlet in the land does or would do (ie publish verified classified material).

The free press is the only fucking non political profession mentioned in the US constitution, there has ALWAYS been a difference between the thief and the publisher, one of them is breaking the law the other is just doing their constitutionally protected job, Julian Assange being a cunt doesn't actually affect my position on free speech.  Ironically the MSM that hates Assange will now be on his side on this because if he gets nuked over this then the press as has been known in the US since's it inception is on its way out!
legendary
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May 26, 2019, 06:48:35 PM
#49
A 14 count superseding indictment was released yesterday that goes FAR beyond the single count of "hacking" the US.

These new counts ARE for publishing the classified material claiming it as spying, NOT the act of hacking the US.

The US DOJ is running WAY overboard and is pissing in the wind of more than a century of precedent, a publisher has NEVER been charged for publishing classified material before, until yesterday.

Ironically this is likely the best thing that could have happened to Assange's case (for Assange anyways), with the legal argument being SOOOO weak on this new indictment it increases significantly his chances of avoiding extradition by the UK.

This is a full fledged assault by the US DOJ on their 1st amendments rights, they truly will make the free press the enemy of the State if this bullshit goes anywhere!

This is not the actual world of spies, where one that steps outside the bounds is simply eliminated. This is the world of the media, where the USA  can't just let this guy go.

This is the game played against Flynn, and Cohen, but this time, it's someone you do not perceive as an enemy.

However a trial would show the world there was no Russia Collusion, wouldn't it? You okay with that?
legendary
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May 24, 2019, 09:01:32 AM
#48
A 14 count superseding indictment was released yesterday that goes FAR beyond the single count of "hacking" the US.

These new counts ARE for publishing the classified material claiming it as spying, NOT the act of hacking the US.

The US DOJ is running WAY overboard and is pissing in the wind of more than a century of precedent, a publisher has NEVER been charged for publishing classified material before, until yesterday.

Ironically this is likely the best thing that could have happened to Assange's case (for Assange anyways), with the legal argument being SOOOO weak on this new indictment it increases significantly his chances of avoiding extradition by the UK.

This is a full fledged assault by the US DOJ on their 1st amendments rights, they truly will make the free press the enemy of the State if this bullshit goes anywhere!
legendary
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April 16, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
#47
He said multiple times that if he was assassinated that he would release documents that would cripple the world, he has been arrested not assassinated and I fail to see anything new on wikileaks. I think spending life in prison, is close enough to being assassinated,,, but I guess not in his eyes. Unless he has a super cool implanted technology that releases the documents when his heart beat stops or somethingl like that

Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.


Wasn't he being denied internet use at the end of his stay, since he was accused of stealing Wi-Fi? I think it's sad to see he was just bluffing.

Also the fake news says he won't be extratidated to the US because he could face the death penalty here. Don't see any mention of that here

As I mentioned in my last comment, it is possible it is on a timer and needs to be regularly refreshed. He has been releasing encrypted caches since 2010. Such a dead man's switch would only need to release decryption keys to the internet with the applicable cache file name and then the chaos would ensue. He was cut off from the internet but not all forms of contact. He could have done this task by phone or even passed instructions to 3rd parties to keep the information locked up. There is a window of time between his arrest and who knows how long that this info could be released at any moment.
copper member
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April 15, 2019, 09:03:40 AM
#45
Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.

Yep. And it's easily implemented using any of the techniques shown here: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/71911/pattern-to-allow-multiple-persons-to-decrypt-a-document-without-sharing-the-enc
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April 15, 2019, 06:44:26 AM
#44
He said multiple times that if he was assassinated that he would release documents that would cripple the world, he has been arrested not assassinated and I fail to see anything new on wikileaks. I think spending life in prison, is close enough to being assassinated,,, but I guess not in his eyes. Unless he has a super cool implanted technology that releases the documents when his heart beat stops or somethingl like that

Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.


Wasn't he being denied internet use at the end of his stay, since he was accused of stealing Wi-Fi? I think it's sad to see he was just bluffing.

Also the fake news says he won't be extratidated to the US because he could face the death penalty here. Don't see any mention of that here
legendary
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April 14, 2019, 10:17:35 PM
#43
He said multiple times that if he was assassinated that he would release documents that would cripple the world, he has been arrested not assassinated and I fail to see anything new on wikileaks. I think spending life in prison, is close enough to being assassinated,,, but I guess not in his eyes. Unless he has a super cool implanted technology that releases the documents when his heart beat stops or somethingl like that

Its called a dead man's switch. It is well known in the cloak and dagger world of spooks and spies. It is not a James Bond type device (usually). Usually the way people who carry such sensitive data that might get them killed protect themselves is they either hand it to several sources with instructions to release on their death or vanishing and or they have some type of encryption that auto-releases upon him not triggering it to stay encrypted which must be done every X days months years etc.
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April 14, 2019, 08:46:44 PM
#42
He said multiple times that if he was assassinated that he would release documents that would cripple the world, he has been arrested not assassinated and I fail to see anything new on wikileaks. I think spending life in prison, is close enough to being assassinated,,, but I guess not in his eyes. Unless he has a super cool implanted technology that releases the documents when his heart beat stops or somethingl like that
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April 14, 2019, 07:26:38 PM
#41
Well Assange did make many within "the state" look very bad, and he did make many who are in power within the state over the years look bad, so it should be no surprise that Assange is very much disliked in Washington. 
legendary
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April 14, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
#40
It looks like they even released the email addresses of their donors https://file.wikileaks.org/file/wikileaks-leaks-donors.txt

Edit: they may have Clinton’s emails lol. https://file.wikileaks.org/file/clinton-emails/
Edit2: it looks like this may not actually be new, and may be from early 2016 - https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

I looked through some files published on file.wikileaks.org and it looks like most of the files are mundane, nothing stands out as being potential bombshells, and a lot is really old, decades old. Also according to a tweet from Wikileaks, nothing on file.wikileaks.org is new.

At the core, the issue here is the power of the individual, vs the traditional power of the state. This is part of a gradual change that of course, is dangerous to the state.
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April 14, 2019, 01:50:35 AM
#39
It looks like they even released the email addresses of their donors https://file.wikileaks.org/file/wikileaks-leaks-donors.txt

Edit: they may have Clinton’s emails lol. https://file.wikileaks.org/file/clinton-emails/
Edit2: it looks like this may not actually be new, and may be from early 2016 - https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

I looked through some files published on file.wikileaks.org and it looks like most of the files are mundane, nothing stands out as being potential bombshells, and a lot is really old, decades old. Also according to a tweet from Wikileaks, nothing on file.wikileaks.org is new.
legendary
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legendary
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April 13, 2019, 02:22:31 PM
#37
Trump should do a lot of things but he'd never do this. I believe he said he'd never pardon him -- or maybe that was Chelsea Manning. Can he even pardon non-us citizens?

I doubt Trump was referring to Manning seeing as her sentence was already commuted by Obama in Jan 2017


The extradition process will likely be long and drawn out, but unless someone significant steps in with serious political power they'll probably ship him off to the US eventually. The UK is too pally-pally with the US for them not to. Maybe Assange will get bail and go walk about, though (but I doubt it).

IIRC Assange already missed a bail hearing in the UK, regardless of that fact, the UK will never give him bail because he is the definition of a flight risk!

The case against Assange is flimsy as fuck, the Obama administration had all of this same information and they decided NOT to prosecute Assange (they worried they couldn't make such a flimsy case stick).  The hard liners currently in charge of the DOJ have a different opinion.

The fact that the statute of limitations was 4 days from expiring for the indicted crime is not coincidental.  This was/is their last shot at getting Assange for the 2010 "incident".  As I mentioned before a superseding indictment adding crimes is always a possibility but that would require new evidence to be presented to back up that indictment.

There is another level to this as yet widely unreported.  According to UK law when a person is extradited ALL charges must be present at the time of extradition, this could include sealed indictments (which we would not be privy too).  Basically what the UK law means is that you can't extradite someone for one crime and then PILE on a whole lot of other shit once you get them home.

Its funny how many people in the forum have no idea how complicated this case is going to be, it is by far anything but a slam dunk for the US DOJ.
legendary
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April 13, 2019, 01:50:58 PM
#36
What I abhor about this is the hypocrisy. It's not like the US government and every other super power doesn't steal documents from other governments, but when somebody does it to them they act like it's a heinous crime. All Assange did was expose the truth and that's what really hurts them.

IMO trump should pardon him. He is likely to face politically motivated charges in the US related to the 2016 election.


Trump should do a lot of things but he'd never do this. I believe he said he'd never pardon him -- or maybe that was Chelsea Manning. Can he even pardon non-us citizens?

Assange will have an extradition hearing in the UK, it isn't for sure he will even get to the US.

The extradition process will likely be long and drawn out, but unless someone significant steps in with serious political power they'll probably ship him off to the US eventually. The UK is too pally-pally with the US for them not to. Maybe Assange will get bail and go walk about, though (but I doubt it).




legendary
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April 13, 2019, 06:31:36 AM
#35
Julian Assange is really a great actor. However, I don't see the reason why he avoided the extradition to Sweden over a sexual assault case that has since been dropped. Now, since he failed to surrender to the court, he will face a US federal conspiracy charges related to one
of the largest ever leaks of government secrets. I wonder what are the things he leaked. Maybe this is the reason why the UK left the European Union. Or Maybe, he just saved his country and his fellow countrymen into something. We don't know.
Pab
legendary
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April 13, 2019, 05:50:09 AM
#34
The Guardian is publishing a lot about Assange case
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/13/julian-assange-indictment-wikileaks-trump-administration-war-on-press-freedom
Wiki Leaks is publishing portal,trying to be independent .Maybe they are are not so well confirming news but most of press is paid and full of fake news
That will turn to discussion about freedom of speech freedom  of journalism
But panama papers and paradise papers was thanks  to investigation journalism
and Snowden only foul was to inform that USA gov id violating USA Constitution
Acting  against Constitution is illegal in any democratic country in the world

I have been reading that  Equador get 4 bln dollar loans from IMF two days before Assange arrest
Is this true i will not even search for source
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