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April 12, 2019, 07:49:55 PM
#32
[conspirologically laughs in Ecuadorian]


Edit:
if you want to get deeper into Assange subject, your probably need this thread:
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1116468833869602817
I am not sure why they wouldn’t have published the information themselves as I cannot imagine a situation in which someone would have access to those chat logs but not the underlying documents.

I am also not sure why their “source” would go to a publication with such low and infrequent circulation.


Assuming the story is true, you don’t know if there were doubts about the information about Russia.

edit: it looks like, according to the story, the information was already public years prior to when it was sent to Wikileaks. The story says the "source" was trying to provide double the amount of information that was already public, but you don't know if the additional information is news worthy, or of public interest

I hope you won't force me to prove the accuracy of the information from each article cuz it's all well-known just collected in one place.
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April 12, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
#31
[conspirologically laughs in Ecuadorian]


Edit:
if you want to get deeper into Assange subject, your probably need this thread:
https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1116468833869602817
I am not sure why they wouldn’t have published the information themselves as I cannot imagine a situation in which someone would have access to those chat logs but not the underlying documents.

I am also not sure why their “source” would go to a publication with such low and infrequent circulation.


Assuming the story is true, you don’t know if there were doubts about the information about Russia.

edit: it looks like, according to the story, the information was already public years prior to when it was sent to Wikileaks. The story says the "source" was trying to provide double the amount of information that was already public, but you don't know if the additional information is news worthy, or of public interest
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April 12, 2019, 07:08:06 PM
#30
The former president is in a position to know the credibility of this type of claim. He may not have personality witnessed the conditions of the room he was living in, however he did hand pick the employees working in the embassy and he presumably trusted them.

I have no idea what the basis of your knowledge would be. AFAIK, there isn’t any reason you would have knowledge of if this is real or not.

[plot twist Waradlain is secretly the president of Ecuador]
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April 12, 2019, 07:04:23 PM
#29
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

Are you sure it wasn't being left alone with Twitter for 7 years that caused this behavior?
The former president of Ecuador said he thought this was actually a smear and untrue.   
The present user of Bitcointalk said he thought this was actually legit and true.

It's time to choose your side Quickseller.
Who do you trust more?
The former president is in a position to know the credibility of this type of claim. He may not have personality witnessed the conditions of the room he was living in, however he did hand pick the employees working in the embassy and he presumably trusted them.

I have no idea what the basis of your knowledge would be. AFAIK, there isn’t any reason you would have knowledge of if this is real or not.
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April 12, 2019, 06:42:34 PM
#28
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

Are you sure it wasn't being left alone with Twitter for 7 years that caused this behavior?
The former president of Ecuador said he thought this was actually a smear and untrue.   
The present user of Bitcointalk said he thought this was actually legit and true. 

It's time to choose your side Quickseller.
Who do you trust more?
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April 12, 2019, 06:32:15 PM
#27
I'm not even sure if that really happened but having to stay in a small space for 7 years straight could make the strongest man go insane

the strongest man my ass. even Chelsea Manning has bigger balls than this dude.
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April 12, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
#26
Anonymous in support of Asange. I guess there will be a response to the arrest.

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Anonymous Message To The Captors Of Julian Assange

Greetings citizens of the world, We Are Anonymous.
This is a message for the UK government and their cohorts around the world who are working to silence whistleblowers.

As many of you know, UK authorities have arrested Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange on behalf of the US government. This is a move that has been expected for some time and Assange himself has even warned us about his impending arrest. This arrest and the greater persecution of Wikileaks and other whistleblowers sends a clear message that these governments will stop at nothing to maintain their secrecy.

Assange is an enemy of the state because he has exposed the crimes of both the left and the right. Assange was forced into exile after he exposed war crimes on behalf of the Bush administration with the “collateral damage” video that was leaked to his organization by Chelsea Manning. The video showed graphic evidence of war crimes committed by the US military overseas, but at the time many conservatives believed that he put US lives in danger. Years later, Assange found himself in the crosshairs of the liberals, after his organization leaked explosive evidence of corruption about Hillary Clinton just before the 2016 election.

After exposing Hillary Clinton, Assange was labeled as a Russian asset, although there is no evidence to support these claims. By all accounts, Assange is a true journalist who speaks truth to power and exposes corruption whether it is on the left or the right. The modern age has so few actual journalists that we no longer have any idea what a real journalist looks like. Instead, we have talking heads on the news who report unsubstantiated sound bytes that are crafted to sell a specific narrative.

Many powerful forces from all over the world have worked to make this possible. Influential people representing the governments of the UK, the United States, and Ecuador have all signed off on this unprecedented attack on journalism. These interests have acted against the people without fear because they believe that their positions of power will grant them protection from the karmic consequences of reality.

By these actions, they are bringing the free world closer to a widespread revolution, and that is honestly what may be needed to stop these constant advances on our freedom. This should be a peaceful revolution that is waged across many battlefields, including cyberspace, the domain of An0nymous.

Every single powerful person who has signed off on this order should be shaking in their boots, because the force of the internet is about to be unleashed upon them. All the way from the CIA, the President of the United States, and down to the arresting officers that carried Assange out of the embassy, you have all exposed yourselves as enemies of the people and it is time for An0nymous to act accordingly.

Another battlefield that the free people of the world need to dominate is the streets. Street protests are sometimes seen as a wasted effort, but the current revolution brewing in France and other parts of the developed world show us that the governments can bend to the will of the people.

For weeks, Assange and Wikileaks have been putting out warnings that the arrest was imminent, and the people of the UK had every opportunity to form a human chain around that building to prevent the authorities from making the arrest. However, it is still not too late to take similar action. If protests that rival the scale and intensity of the recent demonstrations in France were to sweep across the UK in response to the arrest of Assange, it could help to protect him, and possibly change the outcome of his case.

Assange has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize every single year since 2010 when his case began to gather international media attention, and he is well loved by the people of the world, especially those who have the sense to see through the propaganda that justifies the foreign policy of the US government and their allies.

Unfortunately, the establishment does not feel the same, so this is a warning for the establishment: Let Assange free or you will pay!

The time has come for us to unite, the time has come for us to stand up and fight!

We are Anonymous!

We are Legion!

We do not forgive!

We do not forget!

Expect us!

Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.anonews.co/anonymous-message-to-uk-citizens/amp/
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April 12, 2019, 03:37:11 PM
#25
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

Are you sure it wasn't being left alone with Twitter for 7 years that caused this behavior?
The former president of Ecuador said he thought this was actually a smear and untrue.   
legendary
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April 12, 2019, 03:32:51 PM
#24
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.

Are you sure it wasn't being left alone with Twitter for 7 years that caused this behavior?
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April 12, 2019, 11:07:45 AM
#23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

i think conspiracy theories like this one of yours, will in the long term break all activities success of the usdollar communists in washington.
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April 12, 2019, 11:00:09 AM
#22
I'm also against an extradition of him and of (unrelated i know) kim dotcom to the USA where they have never resided.
By the way we can notice that there is a huge amount of internationsl organisations that fight for rights of some random gay couple in central Africa, screaming loud about some unknown country is breaking some human rights of their social activists and so on.
But none of them is even trying for the rights of Julian Assange and not asking ECHR for help and ECHR by itself is closing eyes on this issue.
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April 12, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
#21
He is very controversial man.There is very good movie about his story and Wiki Leaks beginning.He has difficult   personality.I am reading that he has  inspire Manning to hack USA army servers.I am asking where was  NSA agency developed for USA cyber security
I am against his extradition to USA .He is not EL Chapo .I have been reading that extradition
to Sweden is very much possible because he is suspected for sexual abuse in Sweden
That was a hollywood movie and you should take that with a grain of salt...
I'm also against an extradition of him and of (unrelated i know) kim dotcom to the USA where they have never resided.
Just the US playing world police again , black ops illegally killing (criminal) people in countries where they don't have any right to do that.
He will not get extradited to sweden for (probably fake) sexual assault charges because the case has been closed
but now that i'm reading about it again "Swedish prosecutors considering request to reopen Julian Assange rape case" mmh...



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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.
I'm not even sure if that really happened but having to stay in a small space for 7 years straight could make the strongest man go insane
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April 12, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
#20
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Ecuador’s former regime reportedly tolerated Julian Assange smearing poop on the walls of their London embassy

This is how you end up being left alone with Twitter for 7 years.
Pab
legendary
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April 12, 2019, 08:29:03 AM
#19
He is very controversial man.There is very good movie about his story and Wiki Leaks beginning.He has difficult   personality.I am reading that he has  inspire Manning to hack USA army servers.I am asking where was  NSA agency developed for USA cyber security
I am against his extradition to USA .He is not EL Chapo .I have been reading that extradition
to Sweden is very much possible because he is suspected for sexual abuse in Sweden
legendary
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April 11, 2019, 06:46:06 PM
#18
He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...



I worded that poorly, meant more along the lines of me not understanding why he's being arrested if his only part in this is distributing the material. Though if he did play a role in actually hacking the USA, then he should go to jail for it -- even if he did expose the horrible things people did, we don't want to make heroes out of those that hack governments. Eh?

I think this is at the center of the conflict here, at least apparently according to the information in the public domain. Even if Trump wants to pardon him, he is kind of in a catch 22 because regardless of how responsibly he may have done it, not prosecuting him would send a very bad message and lead to our intelligence networks leaking like a sieve. I agree if he was acting purely in a journalist capacity then he should not be prosecuted, but it seems there may be other happenings leading to this event that we may not be privy to. This is a very complicated situation regardless of how straight forward people may seem to think it is.

EDIT: More information has come to light https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190411/06134041977/julian-assange-arrested-behalf-us-trying-to-help-manning-crack-cia-password.shtml
legendary
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April 11, 2019, 06:40:17 PM
#17
He's not a US citizen though right? I don't know why he would be subject to US rules simply because he exposed them.

LOL citizenship of a person doesn't exclude them from breaking US law.  "Hacking" the United States of America "servers/infrastructure" is a crime in the US even if you weren't born there, never been there, can't point to it on a map or anything else...



I worded that poorly, meant more along the lines of me not understanding why he's being arrested if his only part in this is distributing the material. Though if he did play a role in actually hacking the USA, then he should go to jail for it -- even if he did expose the horrible things people did, we don't want to make heroes out of those that hack governments. Eh?
legendary
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April 11, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
#16
Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

What's surprising is how long it took. I wonder what other underlying motives there are at play here, if any.

The only thing I am sure of after monitoring Wikileaks from day 1 is this whole narrative is packed full of ulterior motives. It is hard to even say which way us up at this point.
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April 11, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
#15
Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.

What's surprising is how long it took. I wonder what other underlying motives there are at play here, if any.
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April 11, 2019, 12:26:09 PM
#14
Not surprising, but sad. Assange is one of the original cypherpunks.
legendary
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April 11, 2019, 12:11:25 PM
#13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXSefWYsyE

This subject is one I am not sure where I stand on. If he is a genuine leaker with no ulterior motives then I am not for this, but there are reasons to suspect he is really a CIA or other intelligence agency asset based on his past arrest and work history. There are many reasons to suspect he may have ulterior motives that would serve the "deep state" narrative. What do you think?

If he is extradited to the USA, he might stand trial, and lose, and be placed in protective imprisonment, if he is a CIA operative. We might never find out what the truth is.

One important point is, in the USA or Britain, if he goes to court there, he can stand on common law. If he does this, they will have to bring forth a harmed person and prove that he was the one who did the harm.

Does anybody know if he knows how to do this?

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