Topic: Just-Dice reopening for business - page 2. (Read 4561 times)

I claim that it is mine.  There, now it is no longer unclaimed.  problem solved

Anyone who wanted to. (Including me)

maybe a donation for providing a good service

Wow, there's still 1K still waiting to be claimed?

Why would having the game be decentralised mean that it wouldn't need investors? It seems to me like you could kiss the 10% commission goodbye, not the profits.


I don't know. I did a reverse image search on Zaih(?)'s avatar, found it was one of a series of similar sockpuppets, and picked one of the others. I believe mem picked the third. I forget why exactly, but I think someone was accusing us of being sockpuppets, so it was "funny".


I wouldn't tell you. That would be a mistake, and damage my chances of success. However, if I was planning any kind of a con I would have pulled the trigger before the "give everyone their coins back" part kicked in. Although as it turns out not everyone seems to want their coins back.

I find it funny that the leftover unclaimed "dust" from the JD bankroll amounts to more than the active bankroll of almost any other dice site.

When I first saw this thread I thought that the OP needed to change the title, but seeing this post gives me hope.  I think you returning to the "dice" game would be very welcome by almost everyone except maybe the owners of the other dice sites.

Thanks for even considering it.

I also really appreciate all your posts laying out exactly how operators can cheat players and their investors.  Thanks.

uh... you can't protect people from stupid.

doog, think about what I said.

Who would pay for the bankroll?

Doog, if you've been planning for years to pull of the biggest long con in the relatively short history of bitcoin, you'd tell us, right? Given the alternatives I'd probably still take my chances hoping you'd change your mind on the con. :-P

I would definitely like it if you reopened! I think you have a very good site and I would definitely play again soon if you reopened.

Off topic question, dooglus... Is that the sock puppet from "Coupling: Jane and the Truth Snake?"

Cheers, mate!

If someone does, we can kiss 1%+ monthly profits from investing in the bankroll goodbye

I can se where you are coming from dooglus.

There is no way in hell people can be protected from evil people.

What you can protect people from is incompetence! You could provide the code that works in open source format, and good incompetent people could have a chance to run a dice without having actual bugs.

You cant protect people from evil.
You can protect people from stupid.

Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?
No single man should be trusted with thousands and thousands of dollars, the temptation is just too big.

not many people have a large chunk of money that they can use for the house bankroll when starting off.  but i agree, most people underestimate the responsibility and the amount of work that goes into doing crowdfunded-investment style sites.

I miss just-dice It was the only way I ever made coins off a dice site. But I can see why not that many other sites are doing the whole "invest in this site" shabang. It's a lot more profitable for them not to do it.

doog might get back into the game?  when and where and how do i get involved :p

The problem is that you (the player) can't know that I don't have two copies of the code - the one I hash (the public version) and the one I really run (which cheats you).

I would have to grant server access to a trusted auditor who could check what code was actually running. He would have to have access any time he liked (or I could replace the bad code with good code just before letting him in each time). Then there's the problem that the code that is running (in RAM) isn't necessarily the same code that currently resides on the hard drive. I could swap to the bad code just for the fraction of a second it takes to start the server, then switch back to the good code the rest of the time so it looks good for the auditor.

I could even go as far as to tamper with the nodejs interpreter to have it misinterpret the (good) code that it loads and do bad things. See Ken Thompson's famous paper or the discussion of it on wikipedia if you don't understand what I'm getting at here.

Basically, if you have root access to the box running the server you can make it act in bad yet undetectable ways if you want to badly enough. And even if you couldn't, you could still run off with the cold wallet when it got big enough.

Both of these lines make it sound like you were responsible for the dicebitco.in debacle!

dooglus, this is what I wanted to offer you (sort of)... I wanted to make some sort of legal entity based in my country where bitcoin is not illegal, and there are lots of bitcoin related businesses, and where you, as the exclusive controller and day-to-day operator would be completely isolated from any legal things about bitcoin or it's regulations. And where, if needed, my entity (or myself) would get whatever necessary gambling licenses would be required, or just find a way around them.

Recently, the Philippines has opened several real (brick and mortar) casinos (and hotels)... And I did some research and one can open online casinos based in one of many free port economic zones here.

Essentially, you'd be a consultant (not even an employee), so ... you'd have no connection whatsoever to the entity, other than having exclusive control of the server.

First, I would of course, consult you on what kind of server you would need ... you need one to run a full node (bitcoind) I guess, but it's possible to have that run on either a separate computer, or even just have a possibly more efficient SPV client, or something like that; I wouldn't really know, I'm just talking out loud.

But as, since, I'm obviously not rich, you'd have to accept an offer of a percentage of straight commission as compensation.

While I will grant you exclusive control of the server, I'd like some changes made to the way rolls are calculated. If you don't mind.

Another thing, most everyone here isn't going to bother me, since, uh ... well, I'm still a ranking officer in the armed forces. That does count for something here. Zero arrests, no record, zero traffic tickets / violations, clean driver's license, perfect tax-payer, a permit to carry firearms outside the residence... you get the point.

As an example, I'm a director of a local bitcoin exchange, but if it's not obvious, I'm not the one running it.
https://coinxchange.ph/about

My dung beetle is tired of looking at the galaxies in the sky, and I just need a place to invest what's left of my 10 bitcoins.


Dabs

It doesn't necessarily need to be open source, it could just be shared with a trusted group of coders for review. Then the code on the server could be hashed regularly and that hash compared to the hash of the code that had been reviewed. Any code changes would quickly be obvious to anyone who bothered to check.

Maybe what's really needed is some kind of trusted service/group who would devote time to reviewing/certifying the code behind these online casino operations...?

Anything we can do to ease people's concerns please let us know. I realize we have some catching up to do with some of the investors and players who got burned over at dicebitco.in, and we're eager to start regaining your trust in online gaming.