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Rannasha

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Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:23:43 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:21:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:19:48 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:17:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

This verifier uses the old roll-generation algorithm. Dooglus changed it a while ago.

Really? Oh, well, could you link another one then?

I just updated the one you linked with the new implementation detailed in the "Fair?" tab of JD: http://jsfiddle.net/KWAnw/1/

It correctly verifies the rolls VolcanicEruptor posted.

Alright. I am going to safe that one then Wink

There's also a more fancy verifier linked in the bottom of the Fair? tab on JD which is also up-to-date.

Mitchell

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Verified awesomeness ✔

Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:21:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:19:48 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:17:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

This verifier uses the old roll-generation algorithm. Dooglus changed it a while ago.

Really? Oh, well, could you link another one then?

I just updated the one you linked with the new implementation detailed in the "Fair?" tab of JD: http://jsfiddle.net/KWAnw/1/

It correctly verifies the rolls VolcanicEruptor posted.

Alright. I am going to safe that one then Wink

Rannasha

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Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:19:48 AM

Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:17:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

This verifier uses the old roll-generation algorithm. Dooglus changed it a while ago.

Really? Oh, well, could you link another one then?

I just updated the one you linked with the new implementation detailed in the "Fair?" tab of JD: http://jsfiddle.net/KWAnw/1/

It correctly verifies the rolls VolcanicEruptor posted.

Mitchell

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Quote from: Rannasha on December 21, 2013, 07:17:27 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

This verifier uses the old roll-generation algorithm. Dooglus changed it a while ago.

Really? Oh, well, could you link another one then?

Rannasha

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Quote from: Mitchell on December 21, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

This verifier uses the old roll-generation algorithm. Dooglus changed it a while ago.

Mitchell

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 21, 2013, 01:03:23 AM

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

You can check it using the hash of server seed, server seed, client seed and nonce.
Here is a verifier: click.

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I hope someone finds a way to destroy JD

Why do you even gamble somewhere when you don't understand the provably fair mechanism?

VolanicEruptor

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Quote from: Dabs on December 21, 2013, 12:24:46 AM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 20, 2013, 01:02:26 AM

server seed not yet published

server seed not yet published

Quote from: Rannasha on December 20, 2013, 01:39:50 AM

You need to generate a new server seed so that the website will display the previous one used for these rolls. Hit the Randomize button on the site, then open these bet-links again.

There we go...

362026341
date
2013-12-19 23:20:53
user id
313439
payout multiplier
1.1x
stake
0.009 BTC
profit
-0.009 BTC
chance to win
90 %
target <
90.00 00
lucky number
93.51 19
result
lose
hash of server seed
44fc73fc99e564106701e43bc97cda8dd9cdd3aadf55b0e06fd6ce0b04d4c2d1
server seed
6pds2ky9AmcI2DgAlT_S6r4y1RmH4qPoaITE7OkG3XFeMZCfr0_eHd8AGzL1Htdw
client seed
461476507493319562684790
nonce
107

362024703
date
2013-12-19 23:20:13
user id
313439
payout multiplier
1.1x
stake
0.4 BTC
profit
-0.4 BTC
chance to win
90 %
target <
90.00 00
lucky number
99.15 68
result
lose
hash of server seed
44fc73fc99e564106701e43bc97cda8dd9cdd3aadf55b0e06fd6ce0b04d4c2d1
server seed
6pds2ky9AmcI2DgAlT_S6r4y1RmH4qPoaITE7OkG3XFeMZCfr0_eHd8AGzL1Htdw
client seed
461476507493319562684790
nonce
106

other than trusting that it says "lose", how can i double check these

Dabs

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 20, 2013, 01:02:26 AM

server seed not yet published

server seed not yet published

Quote from: Rannasha on December 20, 2013, 01:39:50 AM

You need to generate a new server seed so that the website will display the previous one used for these rolls. Hit the Randomize button on the site, then open these bet-links again.

TheNuts23

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Quote from: maqifrnswa on December 20, 2013, 06:05:00 PM

Quote from: TheNuts23 on December 20, 2013, 03:53:48 PM

I would like the ability to increase my allocated risk when investing, Instead of .5% the option upto 5% would be beneficial for myself.

Is this something that could be implemented?

While a good feature, you should read about expected return when you wager > 100% Kelly.

Yes this is a good point, I myself would be willing to top up my investment on just dice.

Maybe if it was implemented as an advanced feature with a warning.

maqifrnswa

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Quote from: TheNuts23 on December 20, 2013, 03:53:48 PM

I would like the ability to increase my allocated risk when investing, Instead of .5% the option upto 5% would be beneficial for myself.

Is this something that could be implemented?

While a good feature, you should read about expected return when you wager > 100% Kelly.

TheNuts23

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I would like the ability to increase my allocated risk when investing, Instead of .5% the option upto 5% would be beneficial for myself.

Is this something that could be implemented?

Rannasha

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 20, 2013, 01:02:26 AM

Can somebody verify those to be fair? I must have rolled over 30 times @ 10% and won nothing. and then the last two bets which are pasted above @ 90% were both losers.
I hope someone finds a way to destroy JD

You need to generate a new server seed so that the website will display the previous one used for these rolls. Hit the Randomize button on the site, then open these bet-links again.

organofcorti

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 20, 2013, 01:02:26 AM

Can somebody verify those to be fair? I must have rolled over 30 times @ 10% and won nothing. and then the last two bets which are pasted above @ 90% were both losers.
I hope someone finds a way to destroy JD

I can't verify the fairness, but you're only a bit unlucky. 30 losses in a row (or more) at 10% will happen about 5% of the time, and 2 losses in a row (or more) at 90% will happen about 1% of the time. A bit unlucky, but not extremely so. Sorry about your losses.

VolanicEruptor

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362026341
date 2013-12-19 23:20:53
user id 313439
payout multiplier 1.1x
stake 0.009 BTC
profit -0.009 BTC
chance to win 90 %
target < 90.00 00
lucky number 93.51 19
result lose
hash of server seed 44fc73fc99e564106701e43bc97cda8dd9cdd3aadf55b0e06fd6ce0b04d4c2d1
server seed not yet published
client seed 461476507493319562684790
nonce 107

betid 362024703
date 2013-12-19 23:20:13
user id 313439
payout multiplier 1.1x
stake 0.4 BTC
profit -0.4 BTC
chance to win 90 %
target < 90.00 00
lucky number 99.15 68
result lose
hash of server seed 44fc73fc99e564106701e43bc97cda8dd9cdd3aadf55b0e06fd6ce0b04d4c2d1
server seed not yet published
client seed 461476507493319562684790
nonce 106

Can somebody verify those to be fair? I must have rolled over 30 times @ 10% and won nothing. and then the last two bets which are pasted above @ 90% were both losers.
I hope someone finds a way to destroy JD

wolverine.ks

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or just fix the Firefox bug?

kgo

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Quote from: spiccioli on December 19, 2013, 11:25:30 AM

dooglus,

it's every day more difficult to connect to jd for me.

I have to reload page 5-10 times before it starts updating.

Right now I've been banned for an hour...

spiccioli

If you're using firefox, that hangs all the time. I get hangs all the time, but then chrome works perfectly. I wish there would be a message on the site recommending that you don't use firefox. Wonder how many gamblers get scared off.

wolverine.ks

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thoughts on having the investors balances list signed with dooglus's PGP key as well as give investors the option to sign their weekly balances?

spiccioli

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dooglus,

it's every day more difficult to connect to jd for me.

I have to reload page 5-10 times before it starts updating.

Right now I've been banned for an hour...

spiccioli

dooglus

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Quote from: qxzn on December 18, 2013, 04:02:43 AM

Try this: what happens if you add 5000 to all the results? E.g. the fair die is just doing it's job being perfectly fair now. Your new totals are:

1-7000
2-7000
3-8000
4-7000
5-7000
6-6000

Now the 3s and 6s are still 1000 away from where they should be, but as a percentage they're only about 15% out of line instead of 50%. It is only in this sense that things eventually "come into line".

This is the post I was about to make. Thanks for saving me the time.

To further push the point home, imagine you've done 6 million more rolls, and the totals are:

1-1002000
2-1002000
3-1003000
4-1002000
5-1002000
6-1001000

then all 6 numbers are very close to the expected 16.666%. All of them have become closer to where they "should" be, even though the 6's didn't have to do anything special to "catch up".

Dabs

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Do a simulation for a million rolls. Or even better, do a million real rolls. It's a nice distribution. One of my accounts has 1.3 million rolls.

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