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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 1884. (Read 5352140 times)

legendary
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I'm curious...

"roughly" is dependent upon the changing pool hash rate.

You could probably replace "roughly", currently, with "not a chance in hell of being correct but at least it's better than no information" Smiley

The problem is knowing the "current" starting point for 5Nd, that I've mentioned before being not currently available, and an extra CPU hit on processing every share the pool receives, thus one of the reasons why I've not done it yet.

See the 2nd half of this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13438840

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The 5Nd is shrinking ... not suddenly shorter.

These lines on the Help->Payouts page are the relevant ones:
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The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

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Now back to your "curiosity" Smiley
So if you have 15TH and mine without turning off your miners you would expect your 15THs to reach "15THs in rewards" after a total of 5Nd shares have been sent to the pool.

Someone who joins the pool after you will have to wait from the point when they join.

How long is "your" 5Nd point after you start?
Well that's the mystery Cheesy
But it will always be less as time goes on (until you reach it) and anyone who starts after you, will of course have more to go than you.

How much time will "your" 5Nd take?
Depends purely on the pool hash rate.
legendary
Activity: 1302
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Technical Analyst/Trader
I've been including a sheet with Kano.is as the recommend pool on all the miners I sell. No way of knowing if they pointed to Kano, but I hope so.

Much appreciated.  Thank you!!!
member
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I've been including a sheet with Kano.is as the recommend pool on all the miners I sell. No way of knowing if they pointed to Kano, but I hope so.
hero member
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current block is over 15% diff and no block yet? What the hell, something must be wrong with the pool?

Anyone remember those posts from months ago?

HAHA - 3 a day will be the norm soon vs. exception! Excellent Job Kano, been here since early June and have been trying to promote this pool whenever possible. Now that we are over 9ph, I think the bigger miners will notice and can afford to come over given the decreased variance. I think thats always been the issue with getting large miners here, they could not afford the 5N and high variant, but we are getting there.

I would just rather take miners from Ant and F2, but I guess any is better then none. Some people are just stuck on PPS and will always stay on F2, Ant and Eligius. Amazing how many 500th plus miners stay on those pools and get paid less on PPS then they would here.

Keep up the great work!

Also wanted to add, payout stats from when I first joined on June 16th. Under 1PH and 8.5th got you .22. Back then 5N was 13 days!

361170   16/Jun 10:05   24.78482217   248.818G   312hr 13m 33s   950.76THs     0.92%   2.281G   8.72THs   0.22721248
361153   16/Jun 07:23   24.93367120   249.055G   312hr 1m 7s   952.30THs   0.89%   2.209G   8.45THs   0.22116139
legendary
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Technical Analyst/Trader

Yes, I am working on something....
And yes the math was wrong too.


Thank you, Sir.
hero member
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Wow I didn't notice the second block.  ZACHM's monitor only notified me of the first (or at least I only received the first email) so I hadn't checked the site yet.  When I saw the thread and I immediately headed to blocktrail and sure enough.  Go go kano's ckpool Smiley

Hey that's right, didn't get two emails for the double block. Just one. I just happened to poke the pool front end and was freaked out by the second block.
Was more fun that way.

Yeah, I'm looking into this right now, I'm not sure why we did not get two emails.
At first I thought the blocks were too close together, but they were about 10 minutes apart so that should have been fine.

Hi Zach,

I'm curious...

Will the 7 day average, 14 day average, 30 day average and 60 day average on "Rewards" be brought back to the monitor?  

I'm assuming its away for now because you may be doing some work on it [Maybe cause the math was wrong or something]?

Yes, I am working on something....
And yes the math was wrong too.
hero member
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@ZACHM

is there anyway to get the worker info and in the settings where it says dropped worker have the workers listed with a check box next to them so you can select what ones you want notified if they drop?


say i have rented hash, or one temporarily down on purpose.. the way your site works ill get an email every few minutes for a few days until it drops off the 5N

I'll look into it.
I think I have it set now to only notify for 30 minutes.

Hi Zach,

I'm curious...

Will the 7 day average, 14 day average, 30 day average and 60 day average on "Rewards" be brought back to the monitor?  

I'm assuming its away for now because you may be doing some work on it [Maybe cause the math was wrong or something]?
Hey that's right, didn't get two emails for the double block. Just one. I just happened to poke the pool front end and was freaked out by the second block.
Was more fun that way.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Yes the smaller the payout due to the larger pool size / Hash rate is expected.  No one is questioning that.  The question is why my share hash rate haven't increased in the past almost 3 days.
Look at the Workers->Shift Graph
That shows exactly why.

Those 2 BIG gaps that I've pointed out to you, that are still in the 5Nd, are affecting your payout.
"Not mining" doesn't get paid.
All the other shares do, but the 'missing' ones don't get paid.

If you are not mining before a lucky streak, yep you "don't get paid for not mining" more often because of that.
If you are not mining before a bad luck streak, yep you "don't get paid for not mining" less often because of that.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1318
Technical Analyst/Trader
@ZACHM

is there anyway to get the worker info and in the settings where it says dropped worker have the workers listed with a check box next to them so you can select what ones you want notified if they drop?


say i have rented hash, or one temporarily down on purpose.. the way your site works ill get an email every few minutes for a few days until it drops off the 5N

I'll look into it.
I think I have it set now to only notify for 30 minutes.

Hi Zach,

I'm curious...

Will the 7 day average, 14 day average, 30 day average and 60 day average on "Rewards" be brought back to the monitor?  

I'm assuming its away for now because you may be doing some work on it [Maybe cause the math was wrong or something]?
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Wow I didn't notice the second block.  ZACHM's monitor only notified me of the first (or at least I only received the first email) so I hadn't checked the site yet.  When I saw the thread and I immediately headed to blocktrail and sure enough.  Go go kano's ckpool Smiley

I know...It's like opening a gift and a surprise gift pops out!

EDIT:  Way to go fubly and GLORYTrading for providing the back to back happiness for everyone!
sr. member
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Wow I didn't notice the second block.  ZACHM's monitor only notified me of the first (or at least I only received the first email) so I hadn't checked the site yet.  When I saw the thread and I immediately headed to blocktrail and sure enough.  Go go kano's ckpool Smiley
hero member
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It's my birthday today folks. Almost forgot. Just started my 60th year.

Happy Birthday there Wolfen

Let me guess what he's having for dinner.............?  CHICKEN!!
I had leftover sweet potato last night with lots of butter.
hero member
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That's weird, may be Kano could chime in. In my case hash rate staying the same but payouts are getting less and less since Kano has grown in last few days.
Code:
91920 5/Jan 20:36 24.99505891 523.218G 73hr 9m 51s 8.53PHs 0.42% 2.183G 35.59THs 0.10427923
391919 5/Jan 20:26 25.01420270 521.906G 72hr 59m 31s 8.53PHs 0.42% 2.178G 35.60THs 0.10437861
391877 5/Jan 14:14 24.99284042 521.622G 74hr 8m 56s 8.39PHs 0.42% 2.213G 35.60THs 0.10601794
391757 4/Jan 20:13 25.24103106 520.786G 77hr 58m 13s 7.97PHs 0.45% 2.325G 35.58THs 0.11269616
391710 4/Jan 12:49 24.96810220 524.143G 79hr 56m 15s 7.82PHs 0.45% 2.383G 35.57THs 0.11352141
391583 3/Jan 20:52 24.99645072 521.709G 84hr 6m 0s 7.40PHs 0.48% 2.496G 35.40THs 0.11957781
...
Yes that's quite as expected during pool growth.
No you aren't losing BTC, you are (expected) to be paid more often due to the higher pool hash rate, thus the amount falls.

Simple example with rough values to make it clear what is happening Smiley

If the pool hash rate was expecting 1 block per day and you are mining 1% of the pool hash rate, you'd get .25 BTC per block.
Thus you'd expect (to average) 0.25 BTC per day.

If the pool hash rate doubled, and you stay the same, then the pool would be expecting 2 blocks per day.
Your 1% would now only be 0.5% of the pool hash rate, so you'd expect 0.125 BTC per block.
But since the pool is expecting to average 2 blocks per day, you'd still expect to average 0.25 BTC per day.
Kano, whatever you are doing just keep it up sir.
newbie
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It's my birthday today folks. Almost forgot. Just started my 60th year.

Happy Birthday.  Smiley
hero member
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Thank you all.
There is a lot of love here.
Glad to share our good fortune with our mining brothers.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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That's weird, may be Kano could chime in. In my case hash rate staying the same but payouts are getting less and less since Kano has grown in last few days.
Code:
91920 5/Jan 20:36 24.99505891 523.218G 73hr 9m 51s 8.53PHs 0.42% 2.183G 35.59THs 0.10427923
391919 5/Jan 20:26 25.01420270 521.906G 72hr 59m 31s 8.53PHs 0.42% 2.178G 35.60THs 0.10437861
391877 5/Jan 14:14 24.99284042 521.622G 74hr 8m 56s 8.39PHs 0.42% 2.213G 35.60THs 0.10601794
391757 4/Jan 20:13 25.24103106 520.786G 77hr 58m 13s 7.97PHs 0.45% 2.325G 35.58THs 0.11269616
391710 4/Jan 12:49 24.96810220 524.143G 79hr 56m 15s 7.82PHs 0.45% 2.383G 35.57THs 0.11352141
391583 3/Jan 20:52 24.99645072 521.709G 84hr 6m 0s 7.40PHs 0.48% 2.496G 35.40THs 0.11957781
...
Yes that's quite as expected during pool growth.
No you aren't losing BTC, you are (expected) to be paid more often due to the higher pool hash rate, thus the amount falls.

Simple example with rough values to make it clear what is happening Smiley

If the pool hash rate was expecting 1 block per day and you are mining 1% of the pool hash rate, you'd get .25 BTC per block.
Thus you'd expect (to average) 0.25 BTC per day.

If the pool hash rate doubled, and you stay the same, then the pool would be expecting 2 blocks per day.
Your 1% would now only be 0.5% of the pool hash rate, so you'd expect 0.125 BTC per block.
But since the pool is expecting to average 2 blocks per day, you'd still expect to average 0.25 BTC per day.
hero member
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Here's to hoping this train picks up steam and further reduces the variance between solved blocks....I just got scammed out of 5.1 BTC, so I need to recoup all I can as quickly as I can given the halving window this summer....

What happen? Good to share to help other stay away
full member
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It's my birthday today folks. Almost forgot. Just started my 60th year.

Happy Birthday there Wolfen

Let me guess what he's having for dinner.............?  CHICKEN!!
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
It's my birthday today folks. Almost forgot. Just started my 60th year.
LOL... almost forgot... you know what they say: the mind is the second thing to go.  I forget what the first one is...

Happy Birthday Tongue
legendary
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It's my birthday today folks. Almost forgot. Just started my 60th year.

Happy Birthday there Wolfen
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