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im not the right person to explain how it works
but the ramp up system in this pool was created to keep pool hoppers away
so, once you point your miners to this pool it will take about 8 days at the current pool hash rate for them to be fully rewarded at the their full 23th or whatever your hash rate is.
also if you are fully ramped up and you leave the pool you will get rewarded as you ramp down, so you get rewarded even tho you are not mining in the pool for 8 days (at current pool hash rate) until you get down to 0

that is the best i can do as i am really bad at explaining things

Actually, that's a good, concise explanation.  +1
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Mine ON!!!
mining here is a no brainier.
only thing is you need to be patient with the ramp up
after that you will enjoy great rewards

I see people talking about this ramp up, and once again a question from me  Cheesy

What about this ramp up? How long does it take to get fully ramped up.. and when its up, i do get better payout?

I cant ask for much, iam at 23th/s only, but will be adding more soon =)

You will get your full pay based your your shares but it will be spread out and not all at once.  You don't lose anything.

My take on a post from Kano a long while back:

The 5Nd "ramp" means it takes that long to reward your shares.  It's not a punishment and the ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.  Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.  That's simply how it reduces variance.  Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

How do the PPLNS payouts work?

The 5Nd "ramp" means the pool rewards 5 times the expected number of shares each time a block is found.  So each share will be paid approximately 1/5 of it's expected value in each block it gets a reward, but each share is also expected, on average, to be rewarded 5 times in blocks found after the share is submitted to the pool.

So, on the 1st block the pool hits when you start on Kano you get rewarded 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for that block.
  
On the 2nd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.
 
On the 3rd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 3rd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.  It goes on and on like that until all of the value of the shares you summitted are paid in full.  

That's also how you would continue to get payouts for the 5Nd ramp down period after you leave this pool.

This is a simplistic view of the 5Nd payout model because the it is also affected by luck.  If pool luck was always 100% then each share is expected to be rewarded 5 times.

If pool luck is better than 100%, then the average share reward will be more than 5 times. (Love it when it hits 10-12 times!)
If pool luck is worse than 100%, then the average share reward will be less than 5 times.

The 5Nd really helps you out if your miners go down for a couple of hours or are down for a day.  You would continue to be rewarded if the pool hits a block while you were down.  I've seen pools where you would get nothing out of a block if you were down for just an hour or so when the block was hit. Grin

The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 117.77PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 10hrs right now.

This ramp time gets shorter as our hash rate goes up or it gets longer if our hash rate goes down.

this is much better  Tongue
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Mine ON!!!
mining here is a no brainier.
only thing is you need to be patient with the ramp up
after that you will enjoy great rewards

I see people talking about this ramp up, and once again a question from me  Cheesy

What about this ramp up? How long does it take to get fully ramped up.. and when its up, i do get better payout?

I cant ask for much, iam at 23th/s only, but will be adding more soon =)

im not the right person to explain how it works
but the ramp up system in this pool was created to keep pool hoppers away
so, once you point your miners to this pool it will take about 8 days at the current pool hash rate for them to be fully rewarded at the their full 23th or whatever your hash rate is.
also if you are fully ramped up and you leave the pool you will get rewarded as you ramp down, so you get rewarded even tho you are not mining in the pool for 8 days (at current pool hash rate) until you get down to 0

that is the best i can do as i am really bad at explaining things
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Carl, aka Sonny :)
mining here is a no brainier.
only thing is you need to be patient with the ramp up
after that you will enjoy great rewards

I see people talking about this ramp up, and once again a question from me  Cheesy

What about this ramp up? How long does it take to get fully ramped up.. and when its up, i do get better payout?

I cant ask for much, iam at 23th/s only, but will be adding more soon =)

You will get your full pay based your your shares but it will be spread out and not all at once.  You don't lose anything.

My take on a post from Kano a long while back:

The 5Nd "ramp" means it takes that long to reward your shares.  It's not a punishment and the ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.  Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.  That's simply how it reduces variance.  Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

How do the PPLNS payouts work?

The 5Nd "ramp" means the pool rewards 5 times the expected number of shares each time a block is found.  So each share will be paid approximately 1/5 of it's expected value in each block it gets a reward, but each share is also expected, on average, to be rewarded 5 times in blocks found after the share is submitted to the pool.

So, on the 1st block the pool hits when you start on Kano you get rewarded 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for that block.
  
On the 2nd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.
 
On the 3rd block the pool hits you get 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 3rd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 2nd block plus 1/5 of the value of the shares you submitted for the 1st block.  It goes on and on like that until all of the value of the shares you summitted are paid in full.  

That's also how you would continue to get payouts for the 5Nd ramp down period after you leave this pool.

This is a simplistic view of the 5Nd payout model because the it is also affected by luck.  If pool luck was always 100% then each share is expected to be rewarded 5 times.

If pool luck is better than 100%, then the average share reward will be more than 5 times. (Love it when it hits 10-12 times!)
If pool luck is worse than 100%, then the average share reward will be less than 5 times.

The 5Nd really helps you out if your miners go down for a couple of hours or are down for a day.  You would continue to be rewarded if the pool hits a block while you were down.  I've seen pools where you would get nothing out of a block if you were down for just an hour or so when the block was hit. Grin

The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 117.77PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 10hrs right now.

This ramp time gets shorter as our hash rate goes up or it gets longer if our hash rate goes down.
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mining here is a no brainier.
only thing is you need to be patient with the ramp up
after that you will enjoy great rewards

I see people talking about this ramp up, and once again a question from me  Cheesy

What about this ramp up? How long does it take to get fully ramped up.. and when its up, i do get better payout?

I cant ask for much, iam at 23th/s only, but will be adding more soon =)
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Mine ON!!!
mining here is a no brainier.
only thing is you need to be patient with the ramp up
after that you will enjoy great rewards
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20 payments in March was frequent enough for me, but everyone's mileage may be different!  Smiley


MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!

And what hashrate did you point to kano?

So, every 9average) 1.5 days there's a payout?

Also, the mentionend coin/th/day mentioned earlyer... its roughly 50% above nicehash!  Arrrgh.

im switching them over, based on all your community ppl findings. Thanks!

@Top80.. Smiley  Never made that with sports...  Cheesy Cheesy
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4 s9's 2 821's
20 payments in March was frequent enough for me, but everyone's mileage may be different!  Smiley


MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!
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So would you request to join a top5 pool to get frequent payouts ?

I never said that!

In my opinion, by mining on Kano you will get a higher reward overall (as discussed in this thread over the last (many) pages).
And, considering current hashrate on the pool, you WILL get payouts frequent enough and forget about other pools at all. Smiley
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4 s9's 2 821's
Last block is in your wallet!


MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!
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What ransom?  Sounds like you've been hacked.  

@rifleman74...we will be "off topic" if we continue to discuss that...SIR.  Suffice to say that 651Hashplant and myself have been banned from this forum and forced to pay a teeny ransom to restore our posting ability.  to get back on topic I will say that KANO POOL ROCKS!!!!

No apparently it is a "thing" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/you-are-unable-to-post-how-to-enable-posting-2705607

And here is a link to Theymos discussing it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8044683

Interesting....well that should be the end of that.


MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!
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So would you request to join a top5 pool to get frequent payouts ?
Other pools charge higher fees (some don't even pass along the transaction fees to their miners) as the cost of getting more frequent payouts.


Good news is with our higher hashrate, expectation is one payout every 2 days now Cheesy

But what does Kano payout actually in average per TH or 13 th (if you make it by s9)? I have about 1000 th/s to move (sha256/bitcoin), but not sure if its worth to.

ouch....
if thats true... OUCH!

I used ti mine at nicehash, and transfer balance every sunday to my hw wallet. Thats the way i calculated.
For 10x S9, month march, revenue was 0.36Btc

We'll see.


ps.: Maybe a stupid question, but would it average get a higher profit if i point more S9's to Kano? (devided by the amount of S9's naturally...)

I made 0.3BTC at Kano in the last 2 weeks of March my ramp was from ~50TH in mid march and hit 137TH for the last 3 or 4 blocks in March.

Our luck was extremely good the past 2 weeks, with the pool hashrate increasing rapidly.

After leaving in February with only 2 miners left at Kano, the other 8 were pointed at Slush - I figured with Slush a lot of Hash never gets rewarded as the Slush ramp is ~1.5 Hours.

Never looking back from here.
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So would you request to join a top5 pool to get frequent payouts ?
Other pools charge higher fees (some don't even pass along the transaction fees to their miners) as the cost of getting more frequent payouts.
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Really more than anything it's the positive attitude of the admin and rank members here that make this pool what it is.  You folks do a great job of patiently bringing the noobs like me up to speed on these things.  regardless of luck and diff I feel this pool is a good place for my hashpower!

Mine on!

New to Kano also. But i like it =) And many good people in this pool and thread with quick answers.
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Really more than anything it's the positive attitude of the admin and rank members here that make this pool what it is.  You folks do a great job of patiently bringing the noobs like me up to speed on these things.  regardless of luck and diff I feel this pool is a good place for my hashpower!

Mine on!
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Was thinking about this question and the calculating of my monthly profit. (CDT=Coin per Day per Th/s.) Month CDT 0.00011977.

0.00011977 x Your th/s speed x 30 days (april month) = My profit? Or am i wrong?
You cannot use last month's CDT to calculate future payouts. It all greatly depends on network difficulty and luck, and some other factors. Usually (as I see it), the CDT gets lower each month as network difficulty increases. Look at the year CDT shown at minergain - it's almost 3 times higher than the CDT for March, and March itself was a very good month talking about luck and corresponding rewards!

So would you request to join a top5 pool to get frequent payouts ?
jr. member
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Was thinking about this question and the calculating of my monthly profit. (CDT=Coin per Day per Th/s.) Month CDT 0.00011977.

0.00011977 x Your th/s speed x 30 days (april month) = My profit? Or am i wrong?
You cannot use last month's CDT to calculate future payouts. It all greatly depends on network difficulty and luck, and some other factors. Usually (as I see it), the CDT gets lower each month as network difficulty increases. Look at the year CDT shown at minergain - it's almost 3 times higher than the CDT for March, and March itself was a very good month talking about luck and corresponding rewards!
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Hey guys, switched over from Slush as well. Was wondering if there is possibly a Kano phone app in the works to check in on active miners and to keep checking for those fat blocks.

By the way, Lovin' the community and the pool you guys are awesome  Grin



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literally the best community of any pool out there.
newbie
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ps.: Maybe a stupid question, but would it average get a higher profit if i point more S9's to Kano? (devided by the amount of S9's naturally...)

Wondering about the same, maybe its better to move the whole hashrate to kano?

Of course, the more hashpower you point to Kano, the more profit you will get!

Just make sure you're familiar with the PPLNS (your shares are rewarded over 5Nd, which is about 7 days at the current pool hashrate). So don't expect very high payouts at the beginning.

According to minergain, the month CDT (coins per day per 1TH) is 0.00011977. This number is pretty close to my own calculations for March, so I believe the figure is quite precise. So it's easy to estimate what you could have earned if you mined with Kano throughout March. There's no prediction of future earnings though (and there cannot be).


Was thinking about this question and the calculating of my monthly profit. (CDT=Coin per Day per Th/s.) Month CDT 0.00011977.

0.00011977 x Your th/s speed x 30 days (april month) = My profit? Or am i wrong?
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