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Carl, aka Sonny :)
A little more clear math would be appreciated... also a numeric result is expected.
Although not exactly what you are asking, if you check out the home page (of minergain.com) you will see a CDT (Coins per Day per Th/s) for Kano / Slush that is updated every 15 minutes for the past week, month, quarter and year.  Some of these are hidden on mobile phones so use a desktop to see them all.  Obviously this the past - which has no impact on future "randomness", but should give some idea what the long term results may be.  The one big thing to notice is how rapidly Slush is decreasing.

Thank you for your very good reply. CDT is even better argument :-) I was calculating CDT ≈ 0,00016 for slush in January 2016... but well, looks like I was a few optimistic (and probably wrong!) :-)

What I don't understand is: "The one big thing to notice is how rapidly Slush is decreasing."

Do you mean from "profit for miners" perspective? and from where you notice that?


I think what he meant was the Coin per Day per TH/s has been decreasing as you get closer to present time:

0.00018586 CDT for Quarter
0.00014460 CDT for Month
0.00011849 CDT for Week
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A little more clear math would be appreciated... also a numeric result is expected.
Although not exactly what you are asking, if you check out the home page (of minergain.com) you will see a CDT (Coins per Day per Th/s) for Kano / Slush that is updated every 15 minutes for the past week, month, quarter and year.  Some of these are hidden on mobile phones so use a desktop to see them all.  Obviously this the past - which has no impact on future "randomness", but should give some idea what the long term results may be.  The one big thing to notice is how rapidly Slush is decreasing.

Thank you for your very good reply. CDT is even better argument :-) I was calculating CDT ≈ 0,00016 for slush in January 2016... but well, looks like I was a few optimistic (and probably wrong!) :-)

What I don't understand is: "The one big thing to notice is how rapidly Slush is decreasing."

Do you mean from "profit for miners" perspective? and from where you notice that?
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Changing the 'ramp' is not how PPLNS works, nor would it be appreciated by those already at the 5Nd.  If you want less 'ramp' time, increase the pool's hashrate by mining here!  Wink

You really missed the point and will be hoping to get 2 blocks in a month soon.. so sure, even if you solo mine 'the math works out' if you can live 7000 years or whatever

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Changing the 'ramp' is not how PPLNS works, nor would it be appreciated by those already at the 5Nd.  If you want less 'ramp' time, increase the pool's hashrate by mining here!  Wink
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I've been with Kano since Jan 17th. I wanted to give it a shot for 2 weeks to see how it worked out as I've heard some very good things. Unfortunately, it is not what I was hoping it would be. The Ramp is much too long a period of time, the look and feel of the online site needs some serious TLC and the time between blocks -what can I say about that. Hopefully Kano can make some improvements and things turn around.

Good luck folks. BTC


lol, you'll be back once this block is cracked.

He does have some points though..  the math shows opportunity.    If Kano at 80% luck pays the same as Slush at 100% there is a huge opportunity to get some bigger miner farms to join.

It seems the only way all this makes sense is if the bigger miner farms that join Slush are getting some kind of tiered payout that is robbing from the little guys.  If the pool operator is taking from everyone that would make no sense for a big farm to stay there.

So the million dollar question is how big do you have to be to get that favored payout at a place like Slush?  And if that can be found and broadcasts, then any miner that is not getting that favored rate should join a pool like Kano.

If this type of marketing can be put in motion, then I would say do a promotional ramp up of say half the normal time to get people to come and then once the pool has grown the ramp up can back to normal as an incentive to stick around.

Because the problem right now with this pool is that the expected blocks per month is now single digits and that is a huge % swing on luck per block.  If Feb has 5 blocks expected and you only get 4 that is 80% right there..  if you only get 3? Then this pool is toast


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A little more clear math would be appreciated... also a numeric result is expected.
Although not exactly what you are asking, if you check out the home page (of minergain.com) you will see a CDT (Coins per Day per Th/s) for Kano / Slush that is updated every 15 minutes for the past week, month, quarter and year.  Some of these are hidden on mobile phones so use a desktop to see them all.  Obviously this the past - which has no impact on future "randomness", but should give some idea what the long term results may be.  The one big thing to notice is how rapidly Slush is decreasing.
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I've been with Kano since Jan 17th. I wanted to give it a shot for 2 weeks to see how it worked out as I've heard some very good things. Unfortunately, it is not what I was hoping it would be. The Ramp is much too long a period of time, the look and feel of the online site needs some serious TLC and the time between blocks -what can I say about that. Hopefully Kano can make some improvements and things turn around.

Good luck folks. BTC

I will pay you daily payouts here at Kano. Just enter in my worker name and you will be all set.  Grin

It has always amazed me how the mind works. Countless studies have shown time and time again that people will spend 20 for an item with free shipping rather than 13 with 3 dollar shipping. Something with the brain. Immediate gradification is a powerful drug. Bitmain really hit that one out of the park.
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I've been with Kano since Jan 17th. I wanted to give it a shot for 2 weeks to see how it worked out as I've heard some very good things. Unfortunately, it is not what I was hoping it would be. The Ramp is much too long a period of time, the look and feel of the online site needs some serious TLC and the time between blocks -what can I say about that. Hopefully Kano can make some improvements and things turn around.

Good luck folks. BTC


lol, you'll be back once this block is cracked.
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Y'all come back, ya hear!  Wink
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I've been with Kano since Jan 17th. I wanted to give it a shot for 2 weeks to see how it worked out as I've heard some very good things. Unfortunately, it is not what I was hoping it would be. The Ramp is much too long a period of time, the look and feel of the online site needs some serious TLC and the time between blocks -what can I say about that. Hopefully Kano can make some improvements and things turn around.

Good luck folks. BTC
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How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

That is actually very good question. Slush, at the starting of the year is paying 0,01 BTC per week for 1 x 8TH/s miner. So, 1 month -> 0,04 BTC.

I might be wrong (others can correct me) but I think is a 100% luck or kinda...

What kind of bad luck needs to have Kano Poll for paying less than that? can somebody make the calculation?

here's the calculation:

square root of the thingy over hash times luck to the difficulty of the network equals you're better off with Kano over time.

you're welcome!

A little more clear math would be appreciated... also a numeric result is expected.
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How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

That is actually very good question. Slush, at the starting of the year is paying 0,01 BTC per week for 1 x 8TH/s miner. So, 1 month -> 0,04 BTC.

I might be wrong (others can correct me) but I think is a 100% luck or kinda...

What kind of bad luck needs to have Kano Poll for paying less than that? can somebody make the calculation?

rifleman74 is right..  I did some napkin math and it seems Slush has about 55 times more hash power but pays 75-80 times less each reward.  If that number was around 60x less each reward that would seem ok, but yeah, they are bending people over too for that immediate satisfaction.

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How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

That is actually very good question. Slush, at the starting of the year is paying 0,01 BTC per week for 1 x 8TH/s miner. So, 1 month -> 0,04 BTC.

I might be wrong (others can correct me) but I think is a 100% luck or kinda...

What kind of bad luck needs to have Kano Poll for paying less than that? can somebody make the calculation?

here's the calculation:

square root of the thingy over hash times luck to the difficulty of the network equals you're better off with Kano over time.

you're welcome!
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So what is the longest the pool has gone without a block?

The length of time is not important because the rate changes with our pool size but it's the Diff% you go by.  The two highest Diff% blocks we've ever had were 875.193% on 10/22/2017 and 928.788% on 10/26/2017.  They can be found on the Block Statistics page.  We are at a Diff% of 229% right now. Grin

The pool had a 3 month stretch of decent luck so the question would be what is the expected amount of blocks for Feb?    5?

Monthly Statistics
UTC Month   Pool Avg   Blocks Expected   Mean Diff%   MeanTx%   CDF[Erl]   Luck%   PAPPS%
2018 January…   31.98PHs   8     6.87   85.86%   132.04%   0.3817   116.47%   152.40%
2017 December   26.21PHs   10     10.02   100.24%   129.11%   0.5450   99.76%   127.65%
2017 November   36.71PHs   16     16.48   102.97%   118.27%   0.5797   97.11%   113.82%
2017 October   101.93PHs   35     47.82   136.63%   107.46%   0.9774   73.19%   77.94%


It is interesting that when the pool had 100PH the luck fell well short of expected.  That was a bad time for bad luck since that might of sealed the fate of this pool not getting back to 100+PH again

Even though that is probably the rate you get from the evil pools like antpool each month from their pinch.  
How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

I think Kano's pool is great but I am not sure why Avalon can't work with this pool to give it some beef.

Slush seems to have gotten the juice it needed:

2 Minutes Processing
5 Minutes Processing
2 Hours 8 Minutes
2 Hours 12 Minutes
4 Hours 20 Minutes



The amount per block at slush vs kano isn't even close.  So at slush you have to hit a ton more blocks just to equal one at kano.   
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How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

That is actually very good question. Slush, at the starting of the year is paying 0,01 BTC per week for 1 x 8TH/s miner. So, 1 month -> 0,04 BTC.

I might be wrong (others can correct me) but I think is a 100% luck or kinda...

What kind of bad luck needs to have Kano Poll for paying less than that? can somebody make the calculation?
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As an fyi, minergain is still showing the mempool at 125MB, so still terrible - however there have been errors with blockchain.info overnight, so that may be part of why lower transactions that have been sitting there longer are getting through.  It never hurts to consolidate and www.minergain.com/faq.html#btctxfees will give you some options.  I always go about half of the weekly value and would try .00005 BTC/Kb.  Be sure to check the option to change the fee later if that is a setting in your wallet.
Thanks, followed your advice and consolidated with a .00005 BTC/Kb fee, got confirmed in less than 5 days.
Nice.  I had done one at .00004 after I posted this and it was immediate which was totally crazy..  So someone obviously fixed whatever issue was going on, but 5 days is still totally acceptable for the price since last month it took me about 2 weeks for .00005.
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So what is the longest the pool has gone without a block?

The length of time is not important because the rate changes with our pool size but it's the Diff% you go by.  The two highest Diff% blocks we've ever had were 875.193% on 10/22/2017 and 928.788% on 10/26/2017.  They can be found on the Block Statistics page.  We are at a Diff% of 229% right now. Grin

The pool had a 3 month stretch of decent luck so the question would be what is the expected amount of blocks for Feb?    5?

Monthly Statistics
UTC Month   Pool Avg   Blocks Expected   Mean Diff%   MeanTx%   CDF[Erl]   Luck%   PAPPS%
2018 January…   31.98PHs   8     6.87   85.86%   132.04%   0.3817   116.47%   152.40%
2017 December   26.21PHs   10     10.02   100.24%   129.11%   0.5450   99.76%   127.65%
2017 November   36.71PHs   16     16.48   102.97%   118.27%   0.5797   97.11%   113.82%
2017 October   101.93PHs   35     47.82   136.63%   107.46%   0.9774   73.19%   77.94%


It is interesting that when the pool had 100PH the luck fell well short of expected.  That was a bad time for bad luck since that might of sealed the fate of this pool not getting back to 100+PH again

Even though that is probably the rate you get from the evil pools like antpool each month from their pinch.  
How bad does the luck have to be to payout worse than Slush if they had 100% luck?

I think Kano's pool is great but I am not sure why Avalon can't work with this pool to give it some beef.

Slush seems to have gotten the juice it needed:

2 Minutes Processing
5 Minutes Processing
2 Hours 8 Minutes
2 Hours 12 Minutes
4 Hours 20 Minutes
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So what is the longest the pool has gone without a block?

The length of time is not important because the rate changes with our pool size but it's the Diff% you go by.  The two highest Diff% blocks we've ever had were 875.193% on 10/22/2017 and 928.788% on 10/26/2017.  They can be found on the Block Statistics page.  We are at a Diff% of 229% right now. Grin


Should load the boat into this pool if we get one of those type of blocks...one of the worst luck spells if that occurs.   
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I'm gonna eat some mutton. I'll eat my daughter's sh*t if it helps us find a block. Damn it lol.

You fish? Sound like you're from down south.
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