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legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Put another way, a 20% difficulty increase - which we just had - means, if BTC price remains the same, that it'll take 20% longer to get a block, and hence your income just dropped by 20%.

M
I was just looking it over and the rate at which the difficulty and hashrate is increasing at an alarming rate.

When I joined this pool feb '16, difficulty was 163.5G. It took 11 months to double to 336.9G in Jan '17. It more than doubled again after 6 months in Jun of '17 at 678.6G. Now it's more than doubled again in 4 months to 1452.8G. Fortunately BTC price has more than kept pace. If I remember right BTC was between $200 - $400 then.

It disturbs me that the cycle of the hashrate doubling keeps shortening, without the release of a new miner. I know more players have entered the miner market, but they all use the same foundries. Are the foundries getting more efficient at producing and just putting out chips that much more quickly, or has some player come up with a more efficient way to use the existing 16nm chips and just not released it to the public yet?

I think hashrate and difficulty keep increasing because the price of BTC keeps climbing and climbing and climbing.  That causes more miners to enter the game with the existing hardware.

It's an equilibrium that I'm not sure all miners understand.

"Oh, look, I can make this much $$$ by adding this much hash power!"
"Wait, why did the difficulty go up 20%?"
"And my $$$ just went down by 20%?!"
"Maybe I should add some more hash power..."

M
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
911 IT Admin. I keep 911 up so you get help ASAP!
Put another way, a 20% difficulty increase - which we just had - means, if BTC price remains the same, that it'll take 20% longer to get a block, and hence your income just dropped by 20%.

M
I was just looking it over and the rate at which the difficulty and hashrate is increasing at an alarming rate.

When I joined this pool feb '16, difficulty was 163.5G. It took 11 months to double to 336.9G in Jan '17. It more than doubled again after 6 months in Jun of '17 at 678.6G. Now it's more than doubled again in 4 months to 1452.8G. Fortunately BTC price has more than kept pace. If I remember right BTC was between $200 - $400 then.

It disturbs me that the cycle of the hashrate doubling keeps shortening, without the release of a new miner. I know more players have entered the miner market, but they all use the same foundries. Are the foundries getting more efficient at producing and just putting out chips that much more quickly, or has some player come up with a more efficient way to use the existing 16nm chips and just not released it to the public yet?

It's because Bitmain is no longer in the business of selling BTC miners to the people, they simply make them for themselves and occasionally sell a few for BCC to quench the masses and get a large enough base in a new ALT coin that if it does spike, they make money off it as well. So not only do they get money from increasing their mining power, they get a base of another alt coin and the increase in difficulty doesn't impact them as much because they are driving it.
sr. member
Activity: 277
Merit: 250
Put another way, a 20% difficulty increase - which we just had - means, if BTC price remains the same, that it'll take 20% longer to get a block, and hence your income just dropped by 20%.

M
I was just looking it over and the rate at which the difficulty and hashrate is increasing at an alarming rate.

When I joined this pool feb '16, difficulty was 163.5G. It took 11 months to double to 336.9G in Jan '17. It more than doubled again after 6 months in Jun of '17 at 678.6G. Now it's more than doubled again in 4 months to 1452.8G. Fortunately BTC price has more than kept pace. If I remember right BTC was between $200 - $400 then.

It disturbs me that the cycle of the hashrate doubling keeps shortening, without the release of a new miner. I know more players have entered the miner market, but they all use the same foundries. Are the foundries getting more efficient at producing and just putting out chips that much more quickly, or has some player come up with a more efficient way to use the existing 16nm chips and just not released it to the public yet?
full member
Activity: 658
Merit: 118

Put another way, a 20% difficulty increase - which we just had - means, if BTC price remains the same, that it'll take 20% longer to get a block, and hence your income just dropped by 20%.

Unless of course you increase your hash rate by 20% to compensate Smiley (Which is super easy when your hashrate is as low as mine.)
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
A few weeks ago, maybe 2 months ago, with hash rate 69-70PH took about 10 hours to get to 100% shares.
But now it takes about 25 hours to get to 100% shares with similar hash rate.
Is it all determined by difficulty? It seems that difficulty increases at least at the same pace as BTC price if not out paced much but it won’t go down.
I mine just for fun since electricity cost is very high and it barely break even for that month. I do benefit for the price increase. Now I only get 1/5 of BTC/THs/Day of 4 months ago.

My question is at what point or difficulty level the electricity cost will cause big loss for big miners unless free electricity.

Yes, it makes it that much harder (longer time) to find a block. The difficulty has more that doubled since the start of July. Making it take twice as long to find a block with the same hash rate.

Put another way, a 20% difficulty increase - which we just had - means, if BTC price remains the same, that it'll take 20% longer to get a block, and hence your income just dropped by 20%.

M
sr. member
Activity: 277
Merit: 250
A few weeks ago, maybe 2 months ago, with hash rate 69-70PH took about 10 hours to get to 100% shares.
But now it takes about 25 hours to get to 100% shares with similar hash rate.
Is it all determined by difficulty? It seems that difficulty increases at least at the same pace as BTC price if not out paced much but it won’t go down.
I mine just for fun since electricity cost is very high and it barely break even for that month. I do benefit for the price increase. Now I only get 1/5 of BTC/THs/Day of 4 months ago.

My question is at what point or difficulty level the electricity cost will cause big loss for big miners unless free electricity.

Yes, it makes it that much harder (longer time) to find a block. The difficulty has more than doubled since the start of July. Making it take twice as long to find a block with the same hash rate.
full member
Activity: 228
Merit: 100
Mine ON!!!
sorry for being negative  
but here comes the block from hell again
please let me be wrong

Cheer up my man!  We are only at 29.83% and every block is expected to be at 100% Cheesy

I think it’s safe to say we’re in the block from hell now. 🤦‍♂️
Oh come on, it's just barely over 100%, what's the problem?  I usually say "put the bong down" however in your case you need to "pick the bong up" and CHILL!!  Cool  Keep it up and YOU'RE going to jinx us!  Roll Eyes

jinx!!!
lol oh stop
it is what it is
there is nothing we can do but sit wait and mine on
nothing we say will change the outcome
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
911 IT Admin. I keep 911 up so you get help ASAP!
Well the two difficulty raises certainly do not help reduce our time to block I can certainly attest to that.
xuy
member
Activity: 92
Merit: 10
A few weeks ago, maybe 2 months ago, with hash rate 69-70PH took about 10 hours to get to 100% shares.
But now it takes about 25 hours to get to 100% shares with similar hash rate.
Is it all determined by difficulty? It seems that difficulty increases at least at the same pace as BTC price if not out paced much but it won’t go down.
I mine just for fun since electricity cost is very high and it barely break even for that month. I do benefit for the price increase. Now I only get 1/5 of BTC/THs/Day of 4 months ago.

My question is at what point or difficulty level the electricity cost will cause big loss for big miners unless free electricity.
hero member
Activity: 1610
Merit: 538
I'm in BTC XTC
sorry for being negative  
but here comes the block from hell again
please let me be wrong

Cheer up my man!  We are only at 29.83% and every block is expected to be at 100% Cheesy

I think it’s safe to say we’re in the block from hell now. 🤦‍♂️
Oh come on, it's just barely over 100%, what's the problem?  I usually say "put the bong down" however in your case you need to "pick the bong up" and CHILL!!  Cool  Keep it up and YOU'RE going to jinx us!  Roll Eyes
hero member
Activity: 979
Merit: 510
again excuse my ignorance but can anyone explain how the transaction fees work?

Well a transaction with say 50 inputs - roughly a month worth - would be about 9K bytes

btc.com says at the moment https://btc.com/
Current best transaction fees 0.00134 BTC/KB = 130 sat/byte

So 9K would be 0.00134 * 9 = 0.01206 BTC or about $70

If instead you paid 13 sat/byte it would be 0.001206 BTC or about $7 and most likely get through in the next day or so.

If fees were low (transaction less often, so blocks not always full) then the 13 sat/byte would often get through in the next hour or so.
In that case you could even put it lower and be pretty sure it would get confirmed in a day or so.

It's all about planning ahead Smiley

FYI when I change the payout structure, the longest you will be allowed to go without being paid is probably monthly payouts.

Thanks for explaining this, I sort of got it before, but now I fully understand now, thanks for the tip!
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 4597
Btw to all btc purist’s. It  sounds quite like denial.  Btc is simply the creator of all crypto coins and the road that all crypto coins will follow.

sorry, not the purist, just could not figure out what he is getting at (after it was already pointed out how to do it).
i got the branches divvy, plus i fool around with at least two others.
full member
Activity: 228
Merit: 100
Mine ON!!!
sorry for being negative  
but here comes the block from hell again
please let me be wrong

Cheer up my man!  We are only at 29.83% and every block is expected to be at 100% Cheesy

I think it’s safe to say we’re in the block from hell now. 🤦‍♂️
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
FYI when I change the payout structure, the longest you will be allowed to go without being paid is probably monthly payouts.

Dear Kano, could it be possible to also choose the TX priority?

I don't mind spending low fees and wait many hours until I get the coins from the pool website.

regards,
There are no fees for miners for the payouts I send.
hero member
Activity: 544
Merit: 507
FYI when I change the payout structure, the longest you will be allowed to go without being paid is probably monthly payouts.

Dear Kano, could it be possible to also choose the TX priority?

I don't mind spending low fees and wait many hours until I get the coins from the pool website.

regards,
full member
Activity: 228
Merit: 100
Mine ON!!!
again excuse my ignorance but can anyone explain how the transaction fees work?

Well a transaction with say 50 inputs - roughly a month worth - would be about 9K bytes

btc.com says at the moment https://btc.com/
Current best transaction fees 0.00134 BTC/KB = 130 sat/byte

So 9K would be 0.00134 * 9 = 0.01206 BTC or about $70

If instead you paid 13 sat/byte it would be 0.001206 BTC or about $7 and most likely get through in the next day or so.

If fees were low (transaction less often, so blocks not always full) then the 13 sat/byte would often get through in the next hour or so.
In that case you could even put it lower and be pretty sure it would get confirmed in a day or so.

It's all about planning ahead Smiley

FYI when I change the payout structure, the longest you will be allowed to go without being paid is probably monthly payouts.

Are we talking about tx made to and from btc core?
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Xopoшo, ecли я cмoгy oбнoвить дpaйвep S1 / S2 / S3 чepeз нecкoлькo днeй, нaдeюcь, чтo бoльшe S пpиcoeдинятcя Smiley
Hopefully your electricity is really cheap.
Running an S1/S2/S3 must be pretty expensive compared to the BTC they will make Smiley

Edit: I guess I could throw in a google translate attempt at that also Cheesy
Haдeюcь, вaшe элeктpичecтвo дeйcтвитeльнo дeшeвo.
Зaпycк S1 / S2 / S3 дoлжeн быть дoвoльнo дopoгим пo cpaвнeнию c BTC, кoтopый oни cдeлaют Smiley
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Xopoшo, ecли я cмoгy oбнoвить дpaйвep S1 / S2 / S3 чepeз нecкoлькo днeй, нaдeюcь, чтo бoльшe S пpиcoeдинятcя Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3990
Merit: 4597
I doubt that.  A single input transaction is costing between 1 and 2 dollars recently.  

The transaction I referenced had fees of 4 satoshi per byte.  Any lower and it won't even get into the mempool.

see kano's post.
you are doing something funky.
if you apply his math and go for 5sat/byte, you'll get $2.69 for 50tx consolidation, exactly what i posted (BTW, we have 34 tx at the moment, so it is $1.88, albeit RIGHT NOW fees are higher, so don't do it).


Not at all.  The transaction I was talking about had several hundred inputs.

And paying fees that could result in delays of days for confirmation isn't my idea of a solution.


spend away, sure.
if you are angling to promote bch here as an alternative judging by the vibe, then i don't care.
Overall, I am not sure what you are getting at.
two people already told you that it costs minimal $$ if done correctly, yet you are still aghast about it.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
I doubt that.  A single input transaction is costing between 1 and 2 dollars recently.  

The transaction I referenced had fees of 4 satoshi per byte.  Any lower and it won't even get into the mempool.

see kano's post.
you are doing something funky.
if you apply his math and go for 5sat/byte, you'll get $2.69 for 50tx consolidation, exactly what i posted (BTW, we have 34 tx at the moment, so it is $1.88, albeit RIGHT NOW fees are higher, so don't do it).


Not at all.  The transaction I was talking about had several hundred inputs.

And paying fees that could result in delays of days for confirmation isn't my idea of a solution.
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