Topic: ▂▃▅▆▇⫷[ 🆉🅿🅾🅾🅻.🅲🅰 ]⫸⫷[!KAWPOW!]⫸⫷[ the miners multipool ]⫸ ▇▆▅▃▂ - page 210. (Read 279614 times)

Right if you want to mine a specific coin then you should mine on a pool that directly pays you that coin.  That makes the most sense because then you don't have any risk of the price fluctuating and losing value in trades.  That's not how Zpool appears to operate.  But that doesn't mean that Zpool is stealing anything.  It would be no different than if you mined on your 0% fee pool and the coins price dropped 20% before you could sell it out.  Except you're paying the transfer fees too and from the exchanges and you have to put in the labor to make sure the trades happen properly.  You get more control, but you have just as much risk in losing or gaining value.

If you don't like Zpool then don't mine on it, but it doesn't make any sense why you come here to complain that the pool should operate the way that you want it to operate.  If you can make more on another pool no one here or anywhere else is stopping you or trying to convince you not to do that.  Fact is if you run a Multi-algo switching miner and want someone to auto-exchange coins to BTC for you then Zpool is the best pool to mine that I've found.

If you want to sell your own coins and mine each coin directly then there are lots of pools out there that will pay you out directly and allow you to exchange them yourself.  You're asking the pool to operate in a way that it wasn't designed to operate.  I admit this information is not clearly spelled out anywhere on the pool site, but once you understand how it operates then it makes sense.  Could you make more somewhere else?  I bet you likely could, but you won't do it with as little effort as Zpool makes it.

Personally I haven't had any issues getting my payouts in either BTC or DGB, but I noticed that when I mined for DGB I could make more just mining it directly on something like Suprnova or theblocksfactory.  It wasn't 20% less and it could actually be potentially more than I could mine DGB directly depending on the values of other coins.  If you are mining a single algorithm and don't want to switch between all the coins that algorithm could potentially mine to maximize profits then again Zpool might be better and certainly would be more convenient than having to exchange all those different coins yourself.

Ook, u like loosing double transaction (BTC's bites!) + exchange fee? 10-20%? Now I'm testing the pool with 0% fee, immediate payout of confirmed crypto (if u mined it - u get. no exchange, only if u want to) and double hashrate vs zpool's. Scrypt only, it limits, for sure, but: ~110-120% daily net revenue at rented hashpower w/pool's autoswitch (sometimes it sucks), ~130-140% w/manual coin switching (I get real-time almost precise data) vs no breakdown (!!!) at zpool. Yep, I get pain in the ass selling alts twice a day in complicated ways, but this pays, only 1-2% transactions losses maximum (profit sometimes!), including BTC transfer to NH. And I hope my bot in development is ready and operational in 2-3 weeks.

As far as I can tell you can't specify specifically what coin you are mining though.  You specify what coin you want to be paid in, but otherwise you are mining the value of the algorithms pool.  You may mine the same coin that you are looking to be paid in, but you are still mining against the value of the algorithms pool as far as I know.  If there is an option to mine a specific coin on a specific algorithm then let me know because I don't see any options for that.

As I said I believe the way it works is that a particular algorithm would pay out X mBTC/MH/day and the time you mine on that credits your account with that much mBTC based on the value at the time you mined it and the length of time you mined it for.  The Earnings you get for each coin type show in the last 50 coins earned, but it is only the mBTC value that matters.  Then your wallet is credited with the mBTC value of the coin you specified in the C=XXX line of your miner and that determines how much you get paid out.

The calculations seemed to line up with what xqicka posted for their Timetravel mining from earlier and the values of the unpaid coins seems to have fluctuated with the change in Machine price based on the mBTC value they mined earlier.  This means if the coin's value you want to be paid out in goes up after you mined it you will be paid out less than you originally mined and if it drops you'll be paid out more of that coin because it is based on the BTC conversion at the time it pays out.

You can't post inline images until I think 30 posts which is Jr member or something like that.

Btw. there're shares eaters living in scrypt pool 

Check "Last 50 Earnings" section here: http://zpool.ca/?address=FLigKYiRACVutNz5Q1HBxRVrRy93sg8fCX

They grow! A week ago:
https://i.imgur.com/OFm45s5.png


One day they get out of net and eat crackfoo 

It's very  easy to know, just few numbers and formulas. Which fit everywhere except zpool 

Regarding zpool, I suspect, as I've mentioned already, it mines NOT user-specified coins, but some other suitable for pool. Afterwards there comes massive exchange. 10-25% loss each payout, already calculated. That's why MAC-MAC exchange, that's why payouts are scheduled.

I guess. But almost sure 

And I'd advice everybody to click Total paid number (blue) to get payouts history window. If there're payouts with '...' instead of transaction number,  you are  pissed off, too  I've got 8 for today including two cleared (!) without refund (!!!). Post #1069

But if it actually operates like I suggested it might, is it a problem or just a difference in how the pool operates?  Different pools operate different ways, even using the same software.  As I said if the price was high when you mined it and started falling you'd likely be seeing your value rise over time.  Not all the different than playing the market really.  Zpool likely would be better in a falling market whereas Yiimp or others might be better in a rising one.

I agree though that it is difficult to know what the most profitable method for mining is, especially on auto-exchanging pools.  Hopefully Crackfoo can shed some light on it.  Otherwise there are a ton of other pools that you could be mining on.

hi Crackfoo or anyone else who can answer me this. I tried to go full BitCore mining and got no blocks i think. and then my question is the following. When I see HashTap like this;

HashTap™ (bitcore)   0.00000023 BTC   0.379%   0.00022631   4m ago   Cleared

Does this mean that 0.00022631 was taken from my balance? I'm having a hard time realising what this is. I dont seem to see a significant loss in my balance towards this.

Right that makes sense.  The value of your mBTC is falling relative to the value of MAC.

So the 0.00679 mBTC you earned when the value of MAC was likely at 0.00679/3.492684 = 0.00194 is now only worth 0.00679/0.00270 = 2.5148MAC

You mined the coins when their value was low and now the price has risen so that value is worth less than it was before.

You don't mine specific coins on Zpool you mine the value of an algorithm at a particular point in time and get credit for that value in mBTC.  You then get paid out the coin you select in the c=XXX statement based on the value of that coin relative to mBTC.

If the price of MAC had fallen after you mined them you would be getting more MAC than you originally would have mined up.  This is why multi-algo miners work well on zpool because you mine up the most value at the time that the miner is mining.

Maybe there should be a way to mine coins directly, but at this point there is an internal exchange to mBTC at the time you mine the coin.  I think this is about the only way that you can do it when you can be mining against several coins at once on a given algorithm based pool.

Actually that looks like that is likely what it is.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/machinecoin/

Puts the price currently at 0.00000269 BTC

That's .00269 mBTC

0.00679/0.00269 = 2.524163568773234

I see that, but there is also the mBTC value right next to it.

25*0.07726=1.9315MAC 0.00303488mBTC
25*0.06244=1.5611MAC 0.00375512mBTC

Which equals .00679mBTC

As I said crackfoo will have to comment on it.  It does look strange, and maybe until then you should mine on a different Timetravel pool instead of a Multi-algo pool like zpool.  I'm in no way saying that there isn't a discrepancy.

See that wasn't so hard.  If you want people to answer you then you should actually spell out what it is you're trying to say rather than grunting like a caveman.  I don't know honestly I don't mine in coins other than BTC, but that does look strange to me though.

Crackfoo will likely have to answer what is going on.  Although the payout in other coins feature does say it has had minimal testing so use at your own risk.  We'll have to see what crackfoo says about it.

If I had to take a guess it is that you are still internally recorded as paying out the BTC value and not the actual coins and then depending on price fluctuations the amount of coins you get may vary.

So you didn't really mine 3.492684 MAC as far as the pool is concerned you actually mined .00679 mBTC worth of value that is worth 2.52570141 MAC right now.  I'd wait until those block fully mature and you see how much MAC you actually get.

Hey, crackfoo! U'd closed w/o answering two my tickets submitted 10 (!) days ago. But things are getting worse, I'm quite tired of constantly checking for payouts issues...

1. 24265.66337716 + 24265.66337716 SBC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=sPs9jJefRGJGYK1rephiNj3UeGz2uw1Wmu
2182.83919198 + 2182.83919198 TGC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=tPrzKsfAtPrWSUMeAffsKKwyDCsuRgBT67
40.84963438 + 8.31601500 WDC http://zpool.ca/site/tx?address=WQpGTGUNwUY3itG6oVcj8RL6rU2NnDUwxm

All these payments are "paid". But as u c, not included in a transaction for 5-10 (!!!) days.

2. http://zpool.ca/?address=QVFsEK6gkTaYbL2H2wZLw3fZw267U3HtCq there was payout of 770.xxxxxxxx QRK about 06/27. It was handing unprocessed (the same as above) for about 10 days and then disappeared. Completely. First thought u'd repaid it, but no payouts combine into 770 QRK.

3. Two days prior the MUE swap I had payable (!) balance of 593,86145597 Quark MUE directed to 7Jv2E8BqqBg2eNjfpfz37WtqMgGmvdQSPB Bittrex address (which swapped MUE automatically). But for unknown reason it was not paid before swap. 07/02 it was automatically paid, hanged unincluded for few days & then disappeared, too. Altogether with pool wallet statistics, old link http://zpool.ca/?address=7Jv2E8BqqBg2eNjfpfz37WtqMgGmvdQSPB unreachable.

4. The only issue I cannot blame the pool: the 0.34685240 ZEC yesterday payout txid=4544975563dd6e66030c75770a62098892100c1dcb79d202820b93794f2d06bb to Bittrex sudden under maintenance wallet t1LAwysCHyggEPsPjxFMS3jXpZkLFK3s3Q6. What would happen with it, just idk?


crackfoo, this seems to seem toooo much, no? I just don't discuss ur assbiting exchange policy & rates, I suspect the pool just isn't mining coins users specify, but of ur choice with exchange afterwards. This matters not already.

Anyway, please, send all my money to me asap (incl. QRK & MUE [new address 7o9tvRUvLBKnCkEtiHMh1XKvwWNZnNM5oj]). Making sure all payouts are included in transactions. Don't downshift zpool's reputation another time.

I have no idea what you are asking.  Try using complete sentences instead of one word responses.

By using the information here:
http://zpool.ca/site/api

Someone posted a Powershell script several pages back on how to query this every 5 minutes and save it to a CSV file.  I then took it and graphed it in Google sheets.  I'll probably look at doing something in Python eventually.


Fee is 2% for the pool, but prices fluctuate on the exchanges and it takes time to mature the coins so the price you mine at might be different than the price it sells at.  Crackfoo has said that he pays the fees to payout coins.

how do you create a query on zpool?

Equihash is working again this morning.

I'll second this.

Equihash stratum seems to be down? I am getting 0 hashrate on it and pool hashrate seems down on website as well.

Is there an issue with tribus? no blocks for 54 mins?