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I don't hear you complaining about the spike up after a little "flat" spot... and all those numbers above the graphs... are your earnings. I'm not a developer and didn't code the pool or its graphing.

They're weren't simple questions, you're asking me for advice on what to mine and what software to use. I don't do multiaglo or GPU mining so I have no idea, you've better off just posting in the thread.

I guess I expected too much in thinking that you understood how your pool operated.  Seems like something that the admin would likely want to know since you offer the feature and should likely want to improve the efficiency of your pool to maximize profits for all.  Guess the posts I've seen elsewhere about you not knowing how things work are more true than I hoped.  Which is kind of sad.


The graph is a terrible way to figure out your earnings. Yes it's nice to see an upwards slope, but really, just write down your "unpaid" value and note the time. Now wait a few hours / days (the longer the better). Now write down your new "unpaid" and divide it by the hours between the 2 readings.

It's relatively trivial to do this with a python script using the zpool API.

I have no idea why the graphs are messing up, but yes it is annoying. In the past it was because of coins devaluing at the exchange before they can be cashed out. ("unpaid" is an estimate, not a set number), I don't know if that's still the case or not, but it happens on all multi-coin pools sometimes.

Also there are problems that seem to coincide with payout processing. I've seen the stratum connection drop fairly regularly during those times, and it's visible as a drop on my hashrate graph until the pool starts running smoothly again. It doesn't happen often in a day, so the overall effect isn't much, but it's not ideal.

Unfortunately, before you "go elsewhere", there are few good alternatives to zpool. One of the major alternatives uses PROP as a payment system and is obviously being gamed by the pool operator for profit. Another major alternative has stupidly high fees (but well hidden in the small print).

You're right it should be pretty simple to code something in Python, but unfortunately I've lost most of my coding skills over the years to a medical condition and was hoping the pool admin might know the best way to mine on their pool.  If not then a simple I'm not sure the best way to mine would have been a perfectly valid response to my questions, but instead I got silence and a passive aggressive snide response.  I'm not the first person who has questioned these things so to not have any response for it seems like they don't much care.  As for alternatives there is plenty of pure mining pools that don't auto-exchange that I could mine on as well.  As I mentioned in a previous post I was hoping to get some pure BTC instead of depressing markets that I hope will continue to rise.  I'll work on trying to get a python script to monitor the earnings rate over time.

It very well could just be a graph problem, the slope of the payout seems to indicate there is a smoothing operation to it since it is not a straight vertical line for payout even though I'm pretty sure it is a one time operation and not an actual incremental payout over some time.  That in itself might explain why the appearance of lesser earnings immediately after a payout occurs.  If anything I'm trying to assist by asking the questions and bringing up potential problems.  That doesn't seem like a totally unreasonable thing to me.  Taking the attitude of be happy you're earning anything doesn't really encourage people to stick around though.
legendary
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The graph is the only means that we have to determine our earnings.  If the pool gave some clear indication of the earnings we would have more to go on.  A flat graph would indicate that it wasn't going up during that period.  Excuse me for wanting to know what the benefit of me mining on the pool is.  I mean if you don't want us to mine on the pool I'll be happy to go elsewhere.

Also there are problems that seem to coincide with payout processing. I've seen the stratum connection drop fairly regularly during those times, and it's visible as a drop on my hashrate graph until the pool starts running smoothly again. It doesn't happen often in a day, so the overall effect isn't much, but it's not ideal.


Yeah, a problem I'm not sure can be avoided given the amount of coins active. It's because the wallets are being mined against and during payouts which can tie up the RPC connection, the stratum server requests a new block template from the wallet in the middle of paying out and well, it shits the bed. It's scripted to come back immediately but yes, causes miners a disconnect. I guess moving to a 12h payout schedule has actually reduced that issue considerably.
newbie
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The graph is the only means that we have to determine our earnings.  If the pool gave some clear indication of the earnings we would have more to go on.  A flat graph would indicate that it wasn't going up during that period.  Excuse me for wanting to know what the benefit of me mining on the pool is.  I mean if you don't want us to mine on the pool I'll be happy to go elsewhere.

The graph is a terrible way to figure out your earnings. Yes it's nice to see an upwards slope, but really, just write down your "unpaid" value and note the time. Now wait a few hours / days (the longer the better). Now write down your new "unpaid" and divide it by the hours between the 2 readings.

It's relatively trivial to do this with a python script using the zpool API.

I have no idea why the graphs are messing up, but yes it is annoying. In the past it was because of coins devaluing at the exchange before they can be cashed out. ("unpaid" is an estimate, not a set number), I don't know if that's still the case or not, but it happens on all multi-coin pools sometimes.

Also there are problems that seem to coincide with payout processing. I've seen the stratum connection drop fairly regularly during those times, and it's visible as a drop on my hashrate graph until the pool starts running smoothly again. It doesn't happen often in a day, so the overall effect isn't much, but it's not ideal.

Unfortunately, before you "go elsewhere", there are few good alternatives to zpool. One of the major alternatives uses PROP as a payment system and is obviously being gamed by the pool operator for profit. Another major alternative has stupidly high fees (but well hidden in the small print).
legendary
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Seriously noobies worrying about graphs to much...

balance and earnings are still increasing.. thats all that matters

I know right.

The graph is the only means that we have to determine our earnings.  If the pool gave some clear indication of the earnings we would have more to go on.  A flat graph would indicate that it wasn't going up during that period.  Excuse me for wanting to know what the benefit of me mining on the pool is.  I mean if you don't want us to mine on the pool I'll be happy to go elsewhere.

Not to mention I sent you a PM on the forums asking a simple questions about what to use for Equihash 2 days ago and you haven't bothered to respond.  Seems like you don't really care if people want to mine on your pool or not.  

I don't hear you complaining about the spike up after a little "flat" spot... and all those numbers above the graphs... are your earnings. I'm not a developer and didn't code the pool or its graphing.

They're weren't simple questions, you're asking me for advice on what to mine and what software to use. I don't do multiaglo or GPU mining so I have no idea, you've better off just posting in the thread.
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Activity: 154
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Seriously noobies worrying about graphs to much...

balance and earnings are still increasing.. thats all that matters

I know right.

The graph is the only means that we have to determine our earnings.  If the pool gave some clear indication of the earnings we would have more to go on.  A flat graph would indicate that it wasn't going up during that period.  Excuse me for wanting to know what the benefit of me mining on the pool is.  I mean if you don't want us to mine on the pool I'll be happy to go elsewhere.

Not to mention I sent you a PM on the forums asking a simple questions about what to use for Equihash 2 days ago and you haven't bothered to respond.  Seems like you don't really care if people want to mine on your pool or not. 
legendary
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Seriously noobies worrying about graphs to much...

balance and earnings are still increasing.. thats all that matters

I know right.
legendary
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ZCL wallet is in maintanance on bittrex for days, where you sell them crackfoo, I have strong feeling those bastards will delist it after they play enough fees with a closed volume market and we get some dust after that?

it's on ccex and cryptopia.
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NemosMiner-v3.8.1.3
Seriously what is going on with the earnings?  I've been mining full out and for what appears to be over an hour my graph is completely flat



I'm using zpools multialgo method and it seems like it switched me a few times during that period between Lyra2v2, hmq1725, Equihash, Blake2s, and Bitcore.  Yet there looks to be almost no earnings gained from any of it.  Is there something we don't understand about how earnings are calculated or something?

Is it possible to get some way to get a quantifiable average earnings for the last X period or something besides the totally non-descript balance graph?

mine has been completely flat also, but my total earnings has been increasing.. i think the reporting side of the server is having issues...

Seriously noobies worrying about graphs to much...

balance and earnings are still increasing.. thats all that matters
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Seriously what is going on with the earnings?  I've been mining full out and for what appears to be over an hour my graph is completely flat



I'm using zpools multialgo method and it seems like it switched me a few times during that period between Lyra2v2, hmq1725, Equihash, Blake2s, and Bitcore.  Yet there looks to be almost no earnings gained from any of it.  Is there something we don't understand about how earnings are calculated or something?

Is it possible to get some way to get a quantifiable average earnings for the last X period or something besides the totally non-descript balance graph?

mine has been completely flat also, but my total earnings has been increasing.. i think the reporting side of the server is having issues...
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Seriously what is going on with the earnings?  I've been mining full out and for what appears to be over an hour my graph is completely flat



I'm using zpools multialgo method and it seems like it switched me a few times during that period between Lyra2v2, hmq1725, Equihash, Blake2s, and Bitcore.  Yet there looks to be almost no earnings gained from any of it.  Is there something we don't understand about how earnings are calculated or something?

Is it possible to get some way to get a quantifiable average earnings for the last X period or something besides the totally non-descript balance graph?
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All of the numbers after each mining algorithm are your hashrates so that the pool can decide which coin is most profitable.
They are not setting the difficulty at all and you need to use d=X as you have in your last command.

So if my rig is getting a total of 1.2ksol/s for Equihash, my factor would be -p equihash=1200?

BTW, I noticed you have a -p -c=BTC,etc,etc,etc.  I think the dash before the c=BTC is your problem.

Found a post that equihash should be measured in kSol/sec.  So you would want to put 1.2 for equihash

Speaking of Equihash, is the actual correct on the main page? I've seen seen a coin even half of what the actual says it is.

It looks right to me at least right now.

SS of my 3 machines mining:


SS of my frontpage on zpool:


Obviously there is a bit of luck involved, but it actually seems to be showing slightly higher in some cases.  It does take a bit to ramp up on the main page because I believe it is a rolling average.  I notice it takes a minute or two to get up to what appears full speed on the main page, but I suspect that is just an artifact of the averaging.  We'll see how it goes.  I'm not sure that Zpool is really worth it to me when I can be mining something like 2200DGB/day and it will go back up in a matter of time.  I'll give it some more time and see how it goes.
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All of the numbers after each mining algorithm are your hashrates so that the pool can decide which coin is most profitable.
They are not setting the difficulty at all and you need to use d=X as you have in your last command.

So if my rig is getting a total of 1.2ksol/s for Equihash, my factor would be -p equihash=1200?

BTW, I noticed you have a -p -c=BTC,etc,etc,etc.  I think the dash before the c=BTC is your problem.

Found a post that equihash should be measured in kSol/sec.  So you would want to put 1.2 for equihash

Speaking of Equihash, is the actual correct on the main page? I've seen seen a coin even half of what the actual says it is.
newbie
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Hmmm... now I regret not screen capping the graph of the hashrates.  I've heard people say that it's an issue with the graph code, but I can see a direct correspondence between what it shows and my earnings.  Every 1 hour or so I've had to restart my miners because the site shows that my hash rate halves as reported on the site and with it of course my earnings even though my local rate stays constant.  This is fixed after a restart, but then after a while it just drops again.  I stopped mining on Zpool for a few days because of this, but I started again tonight just to test it.  Hopefully this issue has been resolved.
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All of the numbers after each mining algorithm are your hashrates so that the pool can decide which coin is most profitable.
They are not setting the difficulty at all and you need to use d=X as you have in your last command.

So if my rig is getting a total of 1.2ksol/s for Equihash, my factor would be -p equihash=1200?

BTW, I noticed you have a -p -c=BTC,etc,etc,etc.  I think the dash before the c=BTC is your problem.

Found a post that equihash should be measured in kSol/sec.  So you would want to put 1.2 for equihash
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Seems Blake2s is having issues again with reported hashrates.

Miner displays correct speeds and share submitted but site shows 10% and is effectively reducing percentage of block rewards mined.

Anyone else running into the issue?

I've been only running on this pool for a couple of days and notice that my earnings are fairly significantly lower than I expected them to be.  I've had a few outages and non-optimal things running, but still only getting .0127BTC from 7-GTX1080's and 1 GTX1080Ti it seems pretty low to me.  I expected closer to .02 at least.

With mining some of these super low volume coins on tiny exchanges I'm not sure how the payout actually works.  The estimates coming out of Multipoolminer seem like they are way off compared to what I'm actually seeing realized on the pool.  Nicehash miner is paying out pretty much the same with just my 5-1080 mining rig.  

I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet considering I'm still tweaking, but something definitely feels off from where I expect it to be.  Might just go back to mining up DGB for a while, but was hoping to get some pure BTC instead of having to dump on the DGB market.

I feel ya, the other day i had 8 GTX1080ti's mining zpool and the total earnings to my wallet only increased $12ish for the entire day of mining on zpool.... most days it brings in nice numbers in earnings.. but it seems like 1 or 2 days a week my earnings drop like to 1/4 or 1/2 of the earnings with shares still being accepted on all rigs.. hope its fixed soon

Someone previously mentioned it could be the rigs themselves messing up.. so to correct this "possible" issue i have implemented daily restarts every 24hrs via windows task managing and set the batch file to run on startup so it resumes mining..
legendary
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restarting the server hosting the stratum servers. It was due for a reboot from previous patching.
newbie
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Issue seems to be fixed now.

I like the pool and some days when everythings working it's definitely worthwhile. However I've noticed quite a few times a week this happens where I might have to split my rigs so that I get some consistent payouts vs risking it all on zpool.

If you need any help with testing or examples of when issues are happening let me know. Ideally I'd want to continue using the pool.
newbie
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Seems Blake2s is having issues again with reported hashrates.

Miner displays correct speeds and share submitted but site shows 10% and is effectively reducing percentage of block rewards mined.

Anyone else running into the issue?

I'm also seeing this.
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Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Seems Blake2s is having issues again with reported hashrates.

Miner displays correct speeds and share submitted but site shows 10% and is effectively reducing percentage of block rewards mined.

Anyone else running into the issue?

I've been only running on this pool for a couple of days and notice that my earnings are fairly significantly lower than I expected them to be.  I've had a few outages and non-optimal things running, but still only getting .0127BTC from 7-GTX1080's and 1 GTX1080Ti it seems pretty low to me.  I expected closer to .02 at least.

With mining some of these super low volume coins on tiny exchanges I'm not sure how the payout actually works.  The estimates coming out of Multipoolminer seem like they are way off compared to what I'm actually seeing realized on the pool.  Nicehash miner is paying out pretty much the same with just my 5-1080 mining rig. 

I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet considering I'm still tweaking, but something definitely feels off from where I expect it to be.  Might just go back to mining up DGB for a while, but was hoping to get some pure BTC instead of having to dump on the DGB market.
newbie
Activity: 71
Merit: 0
Seems Blake2s is having issues again with reported hashrates.

Miner displays correct speeds and share submitted but site shows 10% and is effectively reducing percentage of block rewards mined.

Anyone else running into the issue?
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