Kerry says Congress veto of Iran deal would be 'ultimate screwing of ayatollah'

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Quote from: Ilirix on August 06, 2015, 12:58:34 PM

Quote from: rio3232 on August 06, 2015, 12:06:17 PM

Tell me, whom you are trying to protect, and I will tell you, who you are.

The distortion of the truth by the Israeli press for the purpose of propaganda is unprecedented and this exemplifies it.

It's not just the Israeli press. The right wing in America has been doing the same bullshit propaganda since this deal started being discussed. But it doesn't matter. If Israel doesn't want peace and wants to attack Iran, they can fight it themselves.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 06, 2015, 12:06:17 PM

Tell me, whom you are trying to protect, and I will tell you, who you are.

The distortion of the truth by the Israeli press for the purpose of propaganda is unprecedented and this exemplifies it.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 06, 2015, 12:55:56 PM

No, many Christians believe such chaos will precede the end times. The twelvers believe they can hasten the return of the Mahadi by bringing about such chaos.

Many Christians do the same.

Think that is why so many republicans are pro-war and Bush even tried to call the Iraq war WWIII.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 06, 2015, 12:38:42 PM

Many Christians believe ww III will bring the end times too, both think that is a good thing.

No, many Christians believe such chaos will precede the end times. The twelvers believe they can hasten the return of the Mahadi by bringing about such chaos.

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Quote from: rajaaziz on August 06, 2015, 12:49:31 PM

With sanction or without sanction, Iran was/is the most stable and secure country in the ME. You left the sanctions to achieve a deal with Iran, because you knew that if you had continued it, Iran would had had enough execute to go towards nuke, maybe after 2 or 3 months! we had enough enriched uranium for making several bombs! and if that happened , regret wouldn't help you!

Yep, just as I figured, Iran already has enough enriched Uranium to make bombs. It's possible they already have a bomb anyway. This 'deal' is a desperate attempt by the Obama administration to 'make nice' with Iran in order to hopefully slow Iran's march toward deliverable nuclear warheads. I believe this will only work with a strong American military presence and show of force.

Obama is passing off the prosecution of this agreement to the next administration. We'll see what happens. You can bet Iran does not want to see a Republican Presidency.

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I guess I am wondering why we should be worried about screwing a guy who what's us dead? I'd like to see an honest debate on this Iran deal. Kerry has too much skin in the game to be objective.

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Quote from: tomor on August 06, 2015, 12:27:15 PM

And you used to be so sweet during the sanctions......

With sanction or without sanction, Iran was/is the most stable and secure country in the ME. You left the sanctions to achieve a deal with Iran, because you knew that if you had continued it, Iran would had had enough execute to go towards nuke, maybe after 2 or 3 months! we had enough enriched uranium for making several bombs! and if that happened , regret wouldn't help you!

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A president who sees major foreign policy issues in such stark “you’re either with me, or you’re a war monger” terms is a dangerous, divisive leader.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/211966/

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Quote from: Loqkani07 on August 06, 2015, 12:44:18 PM

Maybe Israel and Saudi Arabia will find they have a common enemy. What do you think?

You're right, I should of said most moderate republicans support the deal, far right republicans never will.

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Let Iran fire missiles at us. We have deterrents. Israel has exactly the same thing, because we gave it to them.
Those who agree with Kriszdev about several countries engaging in nuclear war have no clue about fall out, both radiation and political. The sky is not falling, just yet.

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Quote from: rajaaziz on August 06, 2015, 12:21:39 PM

This deal shows Iran power to the world. If the US politicians want to get rid of the ME issues, they should learn how to find dealing ways with Iran. Here in the ME Iran is jack of all trades! Neither Israel fake regime nor Arab puppet regimes can do anything for them!

Maybe Israel and Saudi Arabia will find they have a common enemy. What do you think?

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 06, 2015, 12:31:14 PM

The thing about congress is that the party who holds the white house, their congressional members become part of the administration instead of congress. They are more than willing to cede all congressional power to the presidency because the president is of the same party they are. Pride in the institution of congress, pride in it being a co-equal branch and providing checks and balances on the administration is thrown into the trash. That is until the other party wins the white house and then congressional parties switch roles.

Congress now has become irrelevant in most things.

As the Chinese curse goes . . . we are living in interesting times.

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Quote from: Kenchaa on August 06, 2015, 12:34:57 PM

How do you know Republicans support the Iran Deal?

Guess we will see shortly after Congress votes on it.

Quote from: godlyitems on August 06, 2015, 12:36:36 PM

Shia believe the return of 12th Imam Mahdi will be brought about by world chaos, death, and upheaval in a world at war where two thirds of the worlds population will die. Not suicide but instead martyrdom for the glory of allah. Fulfillment of prophecy.

Many Christians believe ww III will bring the end times too, both think that is a good thing.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 06, 2015, 12:29:48 PM

we did it once, so I do not doubt another will too at some point, the difference is if someone does now, the rest of the world will turn on them, nuke then off the planet, it's suicide

Shia believe the return of 12th Imam Mahdi will be brought about by world chaos, death, and upheaval in a world at war where two thirds of the worlds population will die. Not suicide but instead martyrdom for the glory of allah. Fulfillment of prophecy.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 06, 2015, 12:10:50 PM

Republicans for the most part support the deal, as there is no better alternative.

How do you know Republicans support the Iran Deal?

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 06, 2015, 12:32:30 PM

I suspect you made that up about what "Israel" said, and Iran could have a nuke in months pre deal only if they disregarded their current agreements and it would take them 15 years post deal, only if they abide by their new agreements.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/
"In 2012 Netanyahu said in closed talks reported by Israeli media that Iran is just “a few months away” from attaining nuclear capabilities. Later that same year, he gave a widely-mocked address at the United Nations in which he alleged that Iran would have the ability to construct a weapon within roughly one year, while using a printout of a cartoon bomb to illustrate his point."

now after the deal he says 10 to 15 years.....

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 06, 2015, 12:20:45 PM

Israel said Iran could have a nuke in a couple months pre-deal, 10 to 15 years after deal..... doesn't sound detrimental to Israel to me

I suspect you made that up about what "Israel" said, and Iran could have a nuke in months pre deal only if they disregarded their current agreements and it would take them 15 years post deal, only if they abide by their new agreements.

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Quote from: abasin on August 06, 2015, 12:23:43 PM

Unfortunately true. Ironically the Legislative Branch could take back its authority any time it wishes IF professional life time and corrupt to the bone politicians were consistently willing to risk everything fighting the Executive Branch (regardless of which Party's president holds it) to a standstill no matter what. But of course not enough from either party are ever willing to do that, and so they have pretty much politically neutered themselves.

The thing about congress is that the party who holds the white house, their congressional members become part of the administration instead of congress. They are more than willing to cede all congressional power to the presidency because the president is of the same party they are. Pride in the institution of congress, pride in it being a co-equal branch and providing checks and balances on the administration is thrown into the trash. That is until the other party wins the white house and then congressional parties switch roles.

Congress now has become irrelevant in most things.

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Quote from: ezly on August 06, 2015, 12:22:39 PM

Let's just admit the truth, eventually someone is going to have a nuclear war.

I always had my bet on Pakistan but I guess we'll see

we did it once, so I do not doubt another will too at some point, the difference is if someone does now, the rest of the world will turn on them, nuke then off the planet, it's suicide

the worlds reaction to that country will be critical to preventing future attacks

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Quote from: monas on August 06, 2015, 12:15:09 PM

Yeah, regime change and bombing will really stop the "death to america chants".

That depends on what type of and how many bombs are used...

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