Topic: Kerry says Congress veto of Iran deal would be 'ultimate screwing of ayatollah' - page 2. (Read 946 times)

And you used to be so sweet during the sanctions......

Congress is the target of Kerry’s feistiness, as is his close friend and staunch adversary, the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is leading the charge against congressional ratification of the deal. In the course of a lengthy and freewheeling interview—which you will find published in full, below—Kerry warned that if Congress rejects the Iran deal, it will confirm the anti-U.S. suspicions harbored by the Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and eliminate any chance of a peaceful solution to the nuclear conundrum:

“The ayatollah constantly believed that we are untrustworthy, that you can’t negotiate with us, that we will screw them,” Kerry said. “This”—a congressional rejection—“will be the ultimate screwing.” He went on to argue that “the United States Congress will prove the ayatollah’s suspicion, and there’s no way he’s ever coming back. He will not come back to negotiate. Out of dignity, out of a suspicion that you can’t trust America. America is not going to negotiate in good faith. It didn’t negotiate in good faith now, would be his point.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/08/john-kerry-interview-iran-nuclear-deal/400457/

He's right of course. But then again, the war mongers could care less if their targets think the US to be an untrustworthy actor on the international stage. Not that others might infer the exact same thing from such a track record.

I don't think "hey, we are only untrustworthy with those we think are enemies" is going to cut it on the world stage.


this is yet another example of the abuse of contextual meaning by partisan hacks.

Unfortunately true. Ironically the Legislative Branch could take back its authority any time it wishes IF professional life time and corrupt to the bone politicians were consistently willing to risk everything fighting the Executive Branch (regardless of which Party's president holds it) to a standstill no matter what. But of course not enough from either party are ever willing to do that, and so they have pretty much politically neutered themselves.

Let's just admit the truth, eventually someone is going to have a nuclear war.

I always had my bet on Pakistan but I guess we'll see

This deal shows Iran power to the world. If the US politicians want to get rid of the ME issues, they should learn how to find dealing ways with Iran. Here in the ME Iran is jack of all trades! Neither Israel fake regime nor Arab puppet regimes can do anything for them!

Israel said Iran could have a nuke in a couple months pre-deal, 10 to 15 years after deal..... doesn't sound detrimental to Israel to me

It is a done deal. Obama by going to the UN and having the sanctions lifted bypassed Congress completely. Meaning whatever congress does from that point on is meaningless and is just a game of rhetoric and name calling. The Constitution states the senate must approve all treaties. By not calling this agreement a treaty, one should have known Obama at least in this case has made congress and the constitution meaningless. Of course he, the president has already done that numerous other times through EO's and failure to enforce the laws he and his administration don't like.

As for the agreement itself, only time will tell if it is good or bad. But it is a bad start to take congress's constitutional authority away from it. Has from this point on, whoever is president now become a king and congress just a relic of yore.

Our deal isnt a help to Israel. It is viewed as detrimental.

Not only "the chants", but the nuclear bombs and the nuclear missiles.
They can already hit "Europe and beyond" !

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-Iranian-missile-could-extend-Irans-strike-capability-to-Europe-and-beyond-393377

Soon (very soon) "Death to America !" could be a grim reality !

Yeah, regime change and bombing will really stop the "death to america chants".

It's all just symbolic on the part of the Legislative Branch because it's already a done deal and by the time that the LB could 'stop it' the mechanisms for giving Iran EVERYTHING it demanded of Obama and Kerry would already be done and probably could not be halted again -- or at least could not be halted in a meaningful way since the other nations that are signatories would not cooperate with putting the lid back on Iran.

So this posturing by the Legislative Branch is all sound and fury signifying . . . nothing. Effectively after Bush and now Obama the Legislative Branch essentially exists so that the president CAN point a trembling finger of blame somewhere AFTER he has screwed up big time. Sigh . . . and so it goes.

“This agreement, as we long foretold and expected, does not dismantle any element of Iran’s nuclear weapons infrastructure –– its existing nuclear research and development programs, its thousands of centrifuges, its nuclear facilities (known and unknown), its enriched uranium stocks, its Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM).

“This agreement contradicts every substantive assurance President Obama and his Administration gave on stopping Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

President Obama dropped the demand that Iran dismantle its thousands of centrifuges.

President Obama dropped the demand that Iran shutter its plutonium facility at Arak –– a facility not required by any conceivable peaceful nuclear energy program.

President Obama dropped the demand that Iran shutter its underground nuclear facility at Fordow.

President Obama dropped the demand that Iran accept free, unfettered, and unannounced inspections of all of its nuclear facilities. Instead, inspections must now be approved by a committee which, amazingly, includes Iran itself, and Iran has 24 days to approve or reject the request for inspection –– ample time for Iran to conceal or destroy evidence of its cheating and non-compliance.

President Obama dropped the demand that Iran fully account for the military dimensions of its past clandestine nuclear research and development programs.

President Obama dropped his insistence that non-nuclear sanctions imposed on Iran for its role in international terrorism and abuses of human rights would remain firmly in place. Instead, he has redefined all sanctions on Iran as being essentially nuclear-related in order to lift them. Not only that, but it appears now that arms embargoes on Iran will be lifted within five years, enabling this already dangerous regional power to become still more menacing and aggressive.

“As a result of this extraordinary chain of appeasement, this nuclear deal signed in Vienna today will deliver the path to nuclear weapons to Iran, the Nazi Germany of the Middle East. Worse, it is illusory that sanctions can be ‘snapped back’ if Iran violates the agreement. The U.S. will not make that determination –– instead, a committee that includes Iran will. Can one imagine Russia or China, which stand to gain huge economic advantages from the easing of sanctions, agreeing to reimpose sanctions?

“Moreover, does Iranian behavior to date suggest we have any reason to trust in Tehran’s honesty and commitment to this agreement? Just recently, Iran attempted to evade sanctions and import a shipment of nuclear compressors compatible with its nuclear program. It has also attempted to procure nuclear material through black-listed firms. That is what Iran does now, before an agreement and when it is bound by sanctions. Who believes that Iran will be more law-abiding and careful once sanctions have been lifted?

“The radical Shia Iranian regime is already the biggest supporter, sponsor and facilitator of radical Islamic terrorism. This deal will result in the freeing up of $150 billion in frozen Iranian assets and will also result in tens of billions of dollars in sanctions relief for Iran each year.

“With this stupendous windfall, Iran will dramatically increase its funding for radical Islamic terror groups, especially for Hezbollah and Hamas. Only last month, Iran gave Hamas tens of millions of dollars and provided Hezbollah with tens of thousands of missiles to use against Israel. Both of these terror groups, committed to Israel’s destruction and the the murder of Jews, can be expected to receive literally tens of thousands of new missiles to target Israel in the months and years ahead.

“This deal was struck at the very same time Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Hasan Rouhani have been leading rallies calling for death to America and Israel. Indeed, billboards all over Iran proclaim ‘Death to America.’ Iranian television regularly broadcasts simulations of nuclear attacks on Israel and strikes upon U.S. carriers in the region. Indeed, the preamble to the Iranian Constitution itself declares the hope that Iran witness the establishment of universal “holy” government and downfall of all others. Yet, President Obama ignored all this, even after Iranian leaders stated that, even after this deal is signed, the U.S. remains the number one enemy of Iran.

“Worse, the normal calculus of deterrence, such as prevented the Cold War with the Soviet Union turning hot, does not apply here. As the doyen of Middle Eastern historians, Bernard Lewis, has put it, “MAD, mutual assured destruction … will not work with a religious fanatic. For him, mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement.”

http://zoa.org/2015/07/10290216-zoa-iran-nuclear-deal-is-a-catastrophe/

Really ?
What about regime change in Iran ?
Or at least bombing its nuclear facilities - and thus crippling and destabilizing its evil regime ?
Or at the very least not signing a "deal" providing a genocidal theocracy screaming on any occasion "Death to America !" with nuclear arms-and nuclear missiles ?

Republicans for the most part support the deal, as there is no better alternative.

It is not "circus".
While cultist-in-command Obams has already sidelined the Congress to impose the genocidal "deal" through a UN resolution, a two-third-majority would be nevertheless a defeat of the senile hag Clinton, who is hysterically backing this "Munich reloaded"

I'm also tired of this circus, don't care what happens eventually but I never for a second thought the US did it FOR Israel, this whole "we only think of you when we go to bed at night" is joke, political games.

In 1938 Czechoslovakia did not want the Franco-British "help" through the Munich Agreement as well.

At this point I say let them ban the deal and be responsible for anything that comes after, if Israel doesn't want our help, then why bother?

US Secretary of State John Kerry told The Atlantic on Wednesday that if Congress were to shoot down the Iran nuclear agreement, it would be "the ultimate screwing" of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Kerry-says-Congress-veto-of-Iran-deal-would-be-ultimate-screwing-of-ayatollah-411195

Tell me, whom you are trying to protect, and I will tell you, who you are.