kii552007_alt Computer Hardware Scammer

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Quote from: kebabman on March 17, 2018, 07:13:16 PM

The refund for my order cleared, thank you ATRD.

It seems like this has been mostly taken care of from everything I can tell. I was correct in my original assumption that OP was a scammer. Nobody has received any hardware or valid tracking numbers. The partner has been left with a giant sack of refunds, charge backs and accountability I'm sure they did not foresee. Everyone is being or has been refunded at this point. If nobody has anything to add then I am going to lock this thread and consider it handled. We have tagged the accused with a DT rating, and it seems the only person unhappily walking away from the situation is the partner, which is unfortunate, but much better than a handful of others in addition.

kebabman

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The refund for my order cleared, thank you ATRD.

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Quote from: looperjack on March 14, 2018, 07:20:07 PM

Local police are useless but I did posted on alpha crc Facebook about their employee. Maybe you can get at least some justice for Cliff ruining you.

I wouldn't say they are completely useless. A lot of the time they can forward their reports or information to another agency with further reaching jurisdiction. Meaning, if local police are unable to handle it they have a direct pipeline to those who do handle these things. However, if they don't deem it worthy of contacting the other agencies then it is pretty worthless. Also, if it doesn't violate any "international" laws and only local laws, but there is no connection between your locality and theirs it might be difficult to have anything come of it. It seems a shame that their partner is just taking the fall for all of this financially.

Quote from: ATRD on March 12, 2018, 02:30:10 PM

Pawn here. Hopefully this never happens to anyone else here

I do not know what happens on the buyer side in this scenario.

I feel sympathy for your situation. It's very unfortunate, and all I can say is that you should try to do everything you can to hold onto your money legally. Paypal should be able to handle this within their own house without draining your bank account. I don't know how this would be done, but it just feels wrong for you to become fooled and then take a loss for all of his scams.

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Local police are useless but I did posted on alpha crc Facebook about their employee. Maybe you can get at least some justice for Cliff ruining you.

ATRD

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Pawn here. Hopefully this never happens to anyone else here, but in case you get stuck with a load of PayPal debt like I am:
1. PayPal holds the money after a claim is filed.
2. If you can't resolve the claim, PayPal limits your account so that you cannot move money or modify payment sources. To lift the limit they ask you to submit a list of information. You can still issue refunds with no money to back it up, which is what I did.
3. Once you submit the information (in my case, explanation that I was scammed) they will either unlock the limitations, or close your account. They closed my account. Great. (It can be logged into for the next 180 or so days.)
4. You cannot change the payment sources, so they attempt to draw from your primary funding source twice, then your backup source once, then they negative balance you. PayPal support confirms that this process is an unstoppable juggernaut designed to crush you. Well, the unstoppable part anyway.
5. I think they give you 120 days to pay off the negative balance before they they sell the debt to a collections agency.
6. I'm selling nearly everything I own worth more than $50.

I do not know what happens on the buyer side in this scenario.

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That is different from how I understand Paypal. They may have changed their system in regards to refunds and such to prevent fraud, but as I remember it when a refund is initiated it could not be declined before. If you did not have enough funds in your account to send the refund through it would simply put your account negative and allow the refund to go through. ATRD are these refunds coming directly from your bank account? I believe you might be able to disconnect your bank account and handle this directly with Paypal. This way you don't ruin your life over some scammer on Paypal. Please keep me updated on the status of refunds and what not.

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I've just received refund from PayPal, claim has been resolved in my favour. This seller is a SCAMMER and everyone should avoid any business with this guy.

ATRD

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Hi all, this is Cliff's pawn ("partner" sounds like I was part of the scam, so though derogatory, "pawn" is preferable to me, but call me whatever you want).

I contacted both kebabman and quick1unc on Skype immediately when I realized PayPal was running into problems with extracting a refund from my bank account. Yay overdraft fees. Because I don't have the funds to cover it, I assume PayPal will cover the refund within a day or two, then negative balance my account, then I'll repay over time. To be honest, I have no idea. I thought that's what they'd do since that's how they did the hold/lock on my account, so it surprised me (though I guess it shouldn't have) when I saw the insufficient funds notice from PayPal.

I've never actually had trouble with PayPal until now, so this is all new to me, but it would make sense that PayPal would protect buyers as soon as possible and pursue me to the ends of the earth.

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Quote from: bill gator on March 08, 2018, 07:36:59 PM

Quote from: kebabman on March 08, 2018, 01:12:51 PM

Unfortunately just got this email from PayPal. Sad

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An eCheck payment from partners name removed was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment.

I've tried to read that a few times and I still can't figure out exactly what is happening. Does that mean that they've attempted to refund you and there is no fund in order to refund you? I just don't understand why they are sending you payment, unless that is what Paypal is saying in regards to the refund.

Yes he’s contacted me on Skype, PayPal tried to withdraw the money from his account to refund me but he didn’t have the funds available so it got declined. It’s now gone to review status with PayPal on the dispute.

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Quote from: kebabman on March 08, 2018, 01:12:51 PM

Unfortunately just got this email from PayPal. Sad

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An eCheck payment from partners name removed was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment.

I've tried to read that a few times and I still can't figure out exactly what is happening. Does that mean that they've attempted to refund you and there is no fund in order to refund you? I just don't understand why they are sending you payment, unless that is what Paypal is saying in regards to the refund.

kebabman

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Unfortunately just got this email from PayPal. Sad

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An eCheck payment from partners name removed was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment.

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Quote from: quick1unc on March 07, 2018, 01:33:11 PM

I have a pending claim with OP and they have him till tomorrow to respond or it auto wins to me. Of course he won’t respond so I’ll have the money back shortly. If you paid OP and don’t have an full claim in, do it now and don’t waste anymore time.

When you say "of course he won't respond" I am curious why he wouldn't even bother to fight it. I'm wondering if the scammer believes this gives them deniability for them to pop up again later and claim they were unable to access the internet or send out shipments for some other obscure reason. Has the scammer responded to any of the claims being disputed? I believe someone talked about them threatening people earlier about disputes, but I am wondering if the scammer ever responded on Paypal to these disputes even after making threats and contact. This would show a pattern of absence without good reason and give us a better understanding of what exactly is going on. For sure file your claims now, get your refunds over with, I called this from the beginning and there is no doubt in my mind at this point.

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I have a pending claim with OP and they have him till tomorrow to respond or it auto wins to me. Of course he won’t respond so I’ll have the money back shortly. If you paid OP and don’t have an full claim in, do it now and don’t waste anymore time.

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Quote from: alia on March 05, 2018, 08:45:15 PM

Me. No refund for me. But, I think it's because I sent it directly to Cliff and not the partner's paypal

That was one of the things I was interested in confirming. I was assuming it would probably be the case that anybody that sent their funds to the scammer directly will have to begin the dispute process themselves. I have no doubt the disputes are piling up more each day, but I do not believe your funds are in danger. Anyone who is in a similar boat, hang tight through the Paypal dispute process and your funds should be safe. Do not agree to cancel the dispute if Cliff contacts you and promises to refund or ship your card if you cancel the dispute. Do not play any games that they might be interested in playing.

Now, has there been anyone that has sent funds to the partner and have not had their refund process started?

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Quote from: bill gator on March 05, 2018, 07:15:18 PM

Okay, well it seems like this is moving in a more positive direction than it possibly could have. I'm happy to see that people are getting refunds and aren't having too much of a tough time.
At this point is there anyone that hasn't gotten their refund at least begun? In terms of processing, or pending.

Me. No refund for me. But, I think it's because I sent it directly to Cliff and not the partner's paypal

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Okay, well it seems like this is moving in a more positive direction than it possibly could have. I'm happy to see that people are getting refunds and aren't having too much of a tough time.
At this point is there anyone that hasn't gotten their refund at least begun? In terms of processing, or pending.

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The partner put my refund in today and is pending until Thursday. I still have a pending claim for the OP that is due to finish on Thursday as well. So I should have all money returned by Friday. I’ve maintained comms with the partner through the duration of this and it does seem like he was duped and in the end will be the one taking the loss on this whole deal.

OP has not responded to anyone and neither of my two tracking numbers have worked still.

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had business with this guy,
he sent me photos of GPUs with date and his nick that i want to buy. i made payment to his partner and next day he refunded me all money. cant contact him....
thats 100percent scam. thank god i made payments with paypal.

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Quote from: alia on March 04, 2018, 11:19:59 PM

Cliff has not replied to the report on PayPal nor has he responded to my Skype messages. There is a good chance he is in a place with no Internet, or dead.

I doubt it is either of the two, but it is more likely the latter. With the way they are attempting scams at large sums of money I wouldn't be surprised if he was on many people's bad-side. They probably realize their scheme is falling apart, the partner is refunding payments or witholding forwarding funds, etc. It might be the case that the scammer got a little bit of money in their bank account and they found this as their time to exit and disappear. I feel bad that the partner is on the hook for this nonsense, but hopefully it gets handled reasonably well.

Quote from: kebabman on March 05, 2018, 02:15:53 PM

OP's partner refunded my $3500 today, said he hasn't been able to contact the OP (Cliff) for several days and now believed it was a scam. Refund is in pending status currently.

That gives me a lot of faith that the partner isn't in on the nonsense. If this is the case I would expect to see everyone that sent funds to the partner to get their money refunded shortly, especially if they get in contact with them. Where have you been discussing things with the partner? Others may be interested in this information if they have payments sent out and are unaware of how to proceed towards their refund. You would think that if the partner was involved with the scam that $3500 would be too much for them to simply refund and pass up.

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OP's partner refunded my $3500 today, said he hasn't been able to contact the OP (Cliff) for several days and now believed it was a scam. Refund is in pending status currently.

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