Topic: klee's hacked 1170 btc, Part II - page 4. (Read 10878 times)

GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!

YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE CLEVER?

I MADE BIG PATIENCE IN ORDER TO FOOL YOU UNTIL I HAVE YOU.

WHAT YOU STOLE (1170BTC + 10M NXT) IS ABOUT 2000BTC

I WANT 1400 1000BTC IN THE NEXT 24H.

BOUNTY WAS NEVER OVER

EDIT: Probably the NXT were dumped for about 400BTC. So he stole about 1600BTC. He returned 462. He will still have more than 100btc profit...

The thief has been traced back to the GoDaddy domain

Whois privacy is going to be over with a formal complaint and we are going to get Credit Card info.

We'll move unless 90% is returned to Klee by next 24 hour.

Thank u Mr. 'Hacker'

Again, what are you talking about?  Show us some transactional proof of your belief.

Good to hear you got some BTC back!! 

How do u relate this address with thief's address ?

Klee sorry for your loss - I have had several things stolen from me, and you feel like shit! We all make mistakes, even though your mistake, could cost you more than money could re pay. {Your time invested to get all that coin}

The fact of the matter is, this kind of thing, no matter who's fault it is, puts a lot of negative spotlight on crypto currency as a community. {Possible investors, see this as a threat, and decide not to invest etc. etc.}

The Crypto Currency community should stand together, and fight this with all they have got, to show possible investors, what remedial actions could be taken to recover lost/hacked/stolen coins.  

Good luck, I hope this person turns around and gives back what he has stolen for your sake and for the good of this community.

So returning some is equally as immoral as returning none.
I disagree.

Depends on his moral alignment.

I think u may consider sharing 43% of the recovered coins to those who helped to corner the thief.

Nope, I pointed out earlier that ethics went out the window once he stole your btc. If he was a moral person and wanted to right the wrong, he would have returned the whole thing. You either return all of it, or none of it. But the fact that he returned just a small fraction under the condition that you LOCK the previous thread means that he does not want the investigation to continue, in fear of being caught.

I put a big bounty finding him - 43% of the stolen Bitcoins (the amount I could retrieve).
For 1170btc this is about 500btc.

And maybe some personals reason on his side, not sure about that but I think he had some regrets on what he did to me.
The amount was so big that it would be acceptable for him to sacrifice part of the loot so he has both his conscience right and feel less stressed that everybody chase him.

This is an expected result.  For a while now all the BTC coming out of bitmixer will be "tainted" by the stolen coins.  That is, if you believe "taint" means anything at all.  That is like saying this $100 bill in your pocket was used by several people in the past and one of those people used it to buy some drugs.  Is the $100 you have in your pocket "tainted" by the crime several owners ago?  No.  It is just a $100 bill - it is fungible.

However, as a point of fact, the BTC you received from bitmixer are not "the stolen coins" or even "parts of the stolen coins".  They are UTXOs that happen to be traceable in whole or in part though various transactions back to the original UTXOs that were taken from klee.  So this question of "stolen coins" and "taint" is not as clear cut as some in this thread want it to be.

Assuming BTC are fungible then you have nothing to worry about.

A previous post likened the entire operation of the bitmixer to this:  a thief gives someone $1,000,000 in cash and this person turns around and gives the thief a different $1,000,000 in cash, maybe in different denominations, maybe minus a fee.

Now in this transaction did the thief "wash" his ill gotten gains?  NO.  He still has $1,000,000 (minus the fee) in ill gotten gains.

Did the person that "made change" for him do anything wrong.  NO.  They started with $1,000,000 in cash that they got from working hard, selling products and services, etc. and ended up with $1,000,000 plus maybe some sort of fee.  Why did he charge a fee?  Because it takes a long time to count $1,000,000 in cash given that the largest bill in circulation is only $100.  But I digress.

The point is that changing out one bunch of cash for another bunch of cash does not in anyway "launder" the money.  To launder money the thief has to be able to show that the money came from a legit source, enterprise, business, etc.  Also, making change does not in any way hide the crime.  In this case the thief started with $1,000,000 in ill gotten gains and ended up with $1,000,000 minus the fee in ill gotten gains - money laundering has not taken place.  Upon finding the thief with their money the authorities would have their man and the stolen money.  The fact the cash is not the same cash he took is not material.  The only thing that might be considered for claw back might be the fee.  However, if the thief bought a hamburger with some of the money would they go try to get it back from McDonalds?

So, if you don't mind sharing, how did you come to that agreement?

He also sent 217.5096BTC 

So when the whole community cooperated we ended returning big ammount of that summ to Klee, i'm happy for that

Good news for klee. Thief stole nxt aside btc and transfered nxt to the bter. Under complain they froze hacker account and today with hacker approval bter transfered frozen nxt to the admin of nxt forum who act as a escrow.

Source

 /nxtforum.org/general-discussion/bter-com-froze-3129000-nxt-and-need-you-help-to-return-to-the-owner/240/

Hmm what does that mean Klees coins were caught in transit or something?
In that case its good news for him

Update
Bteer released NXT to the admin of nxtforum what will end up to klee account.

I just tested out bitmixer. My new coins have 100% taint to the thiefs original address. Should I be worried about using them on exchanges with my real name?

Tmobileguy
What do you mean by ''bitmixer continue to process when they were aware of coins being stolen''.and that make them guilty in theft.
Go on bitmixer and read how it works.

Anybody send to bitmixer any amount to being mixed.
After 12 hr ( adjustable) bitmixer automaticly send back full amount or chunck of mixed fresh coins back to the sender ( hacker)
They delete all records of the user, specificly forward btc address.

So in short, mixing were done in 12 hrs. People who will use their service after this is very likely to get some of stolen coins, but that is now another matter, is it not?I guess now that bitmixers users who have stolen coins should do what exactly?
Hacker sent x amount of btc to bitmixer and got x - fee of btc 12 hrs later after his deposit. With that last tx bitmixer service ended for the hacker. So in short bitmixer were aware of stolen coins after after 'exchange' took place.

Please, do not get me wrong, Iam not defending bitmixer actions, just stating my opinion as I do not find them involved withthe thieft or that they knew anything while mixing with the hacker ( during 12 hr).

On another note, best protected privacy is where all party are anonimous.

Edit
@all
Please, if you have any suggestion for Klee, write him a pm. That is all what I'll say.

I'm just curious as to why the hacker gave in?
And whatever the reason, why did they agree on the number 462?
Something I just don't understand