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Topic: klee's hacked 1170 btc, Part II - page 10. (Read 10876 times)

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July 13, 2014, 11:38:15 AM
#57
The BTC has already been through a mixer (as was noted by the mixer service in Klee's topic) and supposedly all records that could have traced the mixing have already been deleted (so there is no way that they can trace the hacker without at least losing their credibility as a mixing service).

I do think that the stuff about having 36 days to return the 462 BTC amount doesn't look very legit (i.e. the hacker gains 1 month to "disappear to another country").

I would speculate that it would give him time to further mix the coins and let enough time for the logs on the mixing services to be deleted. If Klee was still looking for the thief then the mixing services may wish to retain the logs and give them to klee so the thief's identity could be discovered. If klee is openly saying that he has no further claim against the thief then the mixing services would have no reason to retain logs
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July 13, 2014, 10:56:40 AM
#56
Klee, any explanation on why 36 days if the btc has been already laundered and are in hacker's hands?
I don't know if they are laundered or not!



According to bitmixer.io they're already are:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7816359
How do we know it was the whole amount?
I am not sure someone could mix that easily a big amount like that.
Probably he would need smaller chunks.
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July 13, 2014, 10:50:41 AM
#55
Klee, any explanation on why 36 days if the btc has been already laundered and are in hacker's hands?
I don't know if they are laundered or not!



According to bitmixer.io they're already are:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7816359
How do we know it was the whole amount?
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July 13, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
#54
Klee, any explanation on why 36 days if the btc has been already laundered and are in hacker's hands?
I don't know if they are laundered or not!



According to bitmixer.io they're already are:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7816359
legendary
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July 13, 2014, 10:44:51 AM
#53
Klee, any explanation on why 36 days if the btc has been already laundered and are in hacker's hands?
I don't know if they are laundered or not!

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July 13, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
#52
Klee, any explanation on why 36 days if the btc has been already laundered and are in hacker's hands?
legendary
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July 13, 2014, 10:40:06 AM
#51
inb4 hacker don't give bak lol

not really a laughing matter. Undecided

but it sounds like he signed a message from the address (or a linked address, if it moved). and made offers/demands. i doubt someone would go to those lengths otherwise. sounds like he wants to take a hit on the total loot in order to cut off any investigation. seems wise enough.
So far the hacker has return 4.62 BTC (not 462BTC) to the specified address. Looks like klee was scammed twice.
This is a previous transaction I made myself. I deliberately chose this address for the hacker too.
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
July 13, 2014, 10:36:10 AM
#50
what the fuck did you just say to me, you little bitch?

Good try troll (well actually not even a good try - you just resort to name calling straight away?).

A more clever troll would have come up with something a bit more creative and bit less aggressive.
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July 13, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
#49
I'm impressed by how many flock to the defence of criminals and criminal acts.

I am certainly not trying to defend any criminals or criminal acts.

I just think people need to think carefully about all the issues here and not start to form "lynch mobs" or the like.

(btw - best to ignore some of the more silly posts being made here and elsewhere - this is bitcointalk and the trolls love it)


what the fuck did you just say to me, you little bitch?
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July 13, 2014, 10:22:36 AM
#48
If I stole $750k of gold and sold it to someone, would I be guilty of a crime? Yes.
Would the person who bought that gold be guilty of a crime (recieiving stolen goods)? Yes.
How would "I didn't know it was stolen" stand up as a defence in the real world?
Someone gave you $750k in return for $746k and that was not suspicious? Come on!

Keep looking for the hacker for sure.

But some of the people who provide "services" on this forum need to step back and say to themselves "Would this be a crime in the 'real world', i.e. offline? What if it were fiat or precious metals?"

If it is still a crime, then you should not be providing that service in the bitcoin world, even if people here seem to go along with it.

Because the people that will be called on to prosecute you will be using laws from the 'real world'.
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
July 13, 2014, 10:10:20 AM
#47
I'm impressed by how many flock to the defence of criminals and criminal acts.

I am certainly not trying to defend any criminals or criminal acts.

I just think people need to think carefully about all the issues here and not start to form "lynch mobs" or the like.

(btw - best to ignore some of the more silly posts being made here and elsewhere - this is bitcointalk and the trolls love it)
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Nope..
July 13, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
#46
Dumb kid.  Very dumb.
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July 13, 2014, 10:03:25 AM
#45
bitmixer.io knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds.

How do you know that they "knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds" - do you have proof of this (and if so then maybe you should be reporting them to the police)?
I have no proof that klee lost 1170BTC in the first place, other than he said he did. So how could I take his case to the police? It's up to klee.

Putting together what BurtW said in this thread- that all the coins have already been mixed. And bitmixer's admission in the old thread they had sent the hacker new coins.

It's all there, proof who is now in possession of the stolen coins, purchased from the hacker.

I'm impressed by how many flock to the defence of criminals and criminal acts.
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
July 13, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
#44
bitmixer.io knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds.

How do you know that they "knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds" - do you have proof of this (and if so then maybe you should be reporting them to the police)?
newbie
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July 13, 2014, 09:52:10 AM
#43
Bitmixer has not much to do with hack, they have just provided the service for hacker.
People in the bitcoin community are so strange.

bitmixer.io knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds.

They did not inform the police.

That is a crime.

they just tumble magical internet maneys

eat a dick
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July 13, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
#42
Bitmixer has not much to do with hack, they have just provided the service for hacker.
People in the bitcoin community are so strange.

bitmixer.io knowingly accepted $750,000 in stolen funds.

They did not inform the police.

That is a crime.
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July 13, 2014, 09:43:58 AM
#41
Bitmixer has not much to do with hack, they have just provided the service for hacker.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
July 13, 2014, 09:40:22 AM
#40
Bitmixer is just as responsible for this, may justice be served and I hope it does!

It isn't up to bitmixer or others to "be the police" (how can they even be sure there was any theft?).

Bitcoin has given us some amazing freedom but at a much higher cost of "personal responsibility" for looking after our private property.
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July 13, 2014, 09:08:46 AM
#39
Bitmixer is just as responsible for this, may justice be served and I hope it does!
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July 13, 2014, 08:54:43 AM
#38
Your statement:

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Wrong. No mixing has taken place on the major balances

is incorrect.  It would more acurate to say:  The original coins are being processed.  The thief is long gone.

Are you saying bitmixer had 1170BTC in reserve, paid them out instantly to the hacker and bitmixer are now in the process of mixing the stolen 1170, which is the splitting we are seeing on the blockchain?

Okay, I looked at the bitmixer FAQ.

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We have a large Bitcoin reserve in our mixer (currently 2236.72 BTC)

Massively risky transaction for bitmixer to carry out if the FBI got involved and force them to hand over control of those coins.

Basically now bitmixer.io are fully responsible for the theft and are in possession of the stolen funds, right? They've basically accepted a suitcase full of marked banknotes and exchanged them for a suitcase full of unmarked banknotes. And fully admitted to it in the old thread:

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Hello. I've been asked about explanation.
Yes, the hacker used our service. Yes, he already got new coins. Please read more how our service works: https://bitmixer.io/how.html
Can we tell you forward addresses where new coins have been transferred to? No. We really don't know. We completely delete all order's data after 12 hours. I'm sorry that someone lost their bitcoins. I understand this is a crime. But if our service can't protect criminal, it will not be able to protect you too.
Regards,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7816359

So bitminer.io done it. Inform the Oslo police. Please bitminer.io, return funds to klee and bounty to me if you don't want to spend the rest of your life in prison. Thanks
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