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Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 02:32:56 PM

Here's my PM to Sam/kncminer. I hope he will clear the ORSoC/KNCMINER confusion:

"Dear Sam,

Could you please state whether ORSoC will issue refunds and/or assume warranty charges in case the KNCMINER AB company cannot continue operationor fails to deliver?

There seems to be an unnaturally high confusion i this forum as to whether ORSoC *is* KNCMINER and whether KNCMINER customers will have a direct lien with ORSoC.

Thank you and sorry for wasting your time with obvious questions.

KS"

Obvious is obvious. KNCMINER and ORSoC and two different companies. ORSoC has no legal liability for whatever KNCMINER, despite of Sam's reply to your message.

Just to sum up the situation: KNCMINER looks 100% legit and in good faith. The risk here is not them "running with your money" ala Cedartek, Primeasic, etc. - the problem is they might be making an overpromise and we could face a "BFL 2" type of situation.

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See that's a spiteful way of asking a straight forward question...

KnC and ORSoC are separate companies with some similar directorship.

ORSoC will have a PR nightmare if this is a scam. These aren't days of hidden dodgy dealings anymore. Social media and motivated angry consumers can do more damage to any interrelated companies than in the past...

It's really a non-issue if you can pay with Visa and MasterCard credit (not debit!) cards. BOTH offer protection of disputes are raised up to 120 days AFTER the promised delivery date, i.e. 120 days after the end of September 2013. The liability is assumed by Visa and MC. That's what their generous interchange fees are there for!!

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Here's my PM to Sam/kncminer. I hope he will clear the ORSoC/KNCMINER confusion:

"Dear Sam,

Could you please state whether ORSoC will issue refunds and/or assume warranty charges in case the KNCMINER AB company cannot continue operationor fails to deliver?

There seems to be an unnaturally high confusion i this forum as to whether ORSoC *is* KNCMINER and whether KNCMINER customers will have a direct lien with ORSoC.

Thank you and sorry for wasting your time with obvious questions.

KS"

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Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 02:25:22 PM

really don't see why you guys are freaking out about this -- knc miner has already put forth much more documentation and trust then any ASIC company thus far, yes, even more than avalon did when they started

I'm not I'm cool, I'm just trying to iron out and resolve any logical and irrefutable concerns and suggest a sensible resolution prior to the open day and pre-orderbook opening, so pre-orders can safely be take and KnC and ORSoC can focus on building mining machines and a global brand.

KS, your concern is justified at points, and sometimes you appear very bitter. Are you genuinely considering a purchase? Are the valid concerns, directly attributable to your own decision process, looking out for others or do you just want to see KnC fail??

I notice you appear to be pro-DIY development and I see you express interest in a few riskier threads than this one...

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really don't see why you guys are freaking out about this -- knc miner has already put forth much more documentation and trust then any ASIC company thus far, yes, even more than avalon did when they started

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Quote from: 600watt on June 02, 2013, 02:22:03 PM

then demand personal liability. demand orsoc protection. have you done so ? and what did they answer ? my guess is that you are assuming this.

You guys are not for real...

Try this: "When was the last time you asked for protection from AMD for your burnt XBOX360?" You get the analogy?

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 02, 2013, 02:14:26 PM

Quote from: Rampion on June 02, 2013, 02:09:03 PM

Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 02:06:49 PM

Same people, different companies, different liabilities and different responsibilities. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC will not protect you.

That's it. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC can continue business as usual.

Although one assumes opencores.org's forum will be polluted with angry burnt KnC customers and ORSoC's name as healthy as BFL's currently if anything suspect took place.

This isn't a totally comfortable situation to take such a blazé attitude towards.

I imagine they're confident in achieving this...!

BFL's lot will be hounded to the ends of the earth if they don't realise this ambition!!

Good. More incentive for them not to screw up and/or pick up the pieces after the debacle.

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Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 02:06:49 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 01:42:46 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM

ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

not that it matters, because you won't be getting one until 2014 unless you registered on their website the day they posted the thread, or want to pay 10,000$ for a <500 order (actually a sub <200 order probably because you can buy up to 3x per #)

See what bicoinorama re-posted.

ORSoC AB != KNCMINER AB

Same people involved but those are 2 *different* *companies*. Do you still think you will be doing business with ORSoC?

They started the company of 5 people/directors 3 of them from ORSoC (higher-ups) and 2 people from the original KNCMiner proprosal. that's how i read it.

And that's all true but your assumption that you will be dealing with ORSoC directly is erroneous.

Same people, different companies, different liabilities and different responsibilities. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC will not protect you.

then demand personal liability. demand orsoc protection. have you done so ? and what did they answer ? my guess is that you are assuming this.

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Quote from: Rampion on June 02, 2013, 02:09:03 PM

Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 02:06:49 PM

Same people, different companies, different liabilities and different responsibilities. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC will not protect you.

That's it. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC can continue business as usual.

Although one assumes opencores.org's forum will be polluted with angry burnt KnC customers and ORSoC's name as healthy as BFL's currently if anything suspect took place.

This isn't a totally comfortable situation to take such a blazé attitude towards.

I imagine they're confident in achieving this...!

BFL's lot will be hounded to the ends of the earth if they don't realise this ambition!!

Rampion

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Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 02:06:49 PM

Same people, different companies, different liabilities and different responsibilities. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC will not protect you.

That's it. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC can continue business as usual.

KS

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Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 01:42:46 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM

ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

not that it matters, because you won't be getting one until 2014 unless you registered on their website the day they posted the thread, or want to pay 10,000$ for a <500 order (actually a sub <200 order probably because you can buy up to 3x per #)

See what bicoinorama re-posted.

ORSoC AB != KNCMINER AB

Same people involved but those are 2 *different* *companies*. Do you still think you will be doing business with ORSoC?

They started the company of 5 people/directors 3 of them from ORSoC (higher-ups) and 2 people from the original KNCMiner proprosal. that's how i read it.

And that's all true but your assumption that you will be dealing with ORSoC directly is erroneous.

Same people, different companies, different liabilities and different responsibilities. If KNCMINER fails, ORSoC will not protect you.

ecliptic

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Quote from: KS on June 02, 2013, 01:42:46 PM

Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM

ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

not that it matters, because you won't be getting one until 2014 unless you registered on their website the day they posted the thread, or want to pay 10,000$ for a <500 order (actually a sub <200 order probably because you can buy up to 3x per #)

See what bicoinorama re-posted.

ORSoC AB != KNCMINER AB

Same people involved but those are 2 *different* *companies*. Do you still think you will be doing business with ORSoC?

They started the company of 5 people/directors 3 of them from ORSoC (higher-ups) and 2 people from the original KNCMiner proprosal. that's how i read it.

KS

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Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM

ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

not that it matters, because you won't be getting one until 2014 unless you registered on their website the day they posted the thread, or want to pay 10,000$ for a <500 order (actually a sub <200 order probably because you can buy up to 3x per #)

See what bicoinorama re-posted.

ORSoC AB != KNCMINER AB

Same people involved but those are 2 *different* *companies*. Do you still think you will be doing business with ORSoC?

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Quote from: ecliptic on June 02, 2013, 01:31:33 PM

ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

From Sam dated 14/05;

"The ORSoC and Kennemar & Cole relationship has been talked about by many and it’s not a secret but people have made assumptions so I will clear it up for you

Me and Andreas (Kennemar & Cole)
Started the idea, contacted ORSoC and showed them our plans, told them we would only do this if they joined us on the venture, a simple customer/supplier relationship was not strong enough for this purpose.

So we all started (all 5 of us) a brand new company called KNCMiner. So KncMiner consists of 5 directors. Front of house is us and back of house is ORSoC (best of both worlds) essentially ORSoC don’t get anything unless the product is successful and neither do me or Andreas, so we are all in it 100% and that’s the only way it would of worked.
I hope that helps."

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ORSoC partnered with them to make KNCMiner

KNCminer IS ORSoC

People seriously are worried about them?

Sure, nobody is saying they aren't above having technical problems and whatnot.

but ORSoc isn't going to fucking run off with your money

not that it matters, because you won't be getting one until 2014 unless you registered on their website the day they posted the thread, or want to pay 10,000$ for a <500 order (actually a sub <200 order probably because you can buy up to 3x per #)

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