KNOWLEDGE IS BETTER THAN MERIT - page 3.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: fillippone on September 13, 2021, 06:08:02 AM

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Actually, your overall ratios are good, considering all the awarded sMerits (as of last Friday):
-   Overall sent sMerits: 15048 to 873 users
-   Overall sent sMerits to banned users: 459 to 19 users
-   Overall Merited later to be banned users: 2,18%
-   Overall sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 3,05%

(last 180 days counting from last Friday backwords – not exactly the same as current forum stat therefore):
-   180d sent sMerits: 4553 to 330 users
-   180d sent sMerits to banned users: 235 to 8 users
-   180d Merited later to be banned users: 2,42%
-   180d sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 5,16%

Me:
-   Overall sent sMerits: 13771 to 1565 users
-   Overall sent sMerits to banned users: 197 to 62 users
-   Overall Merited later to be banned users: 3,96%
-   Overall sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 1,43%

(last 180 days counting from last Friday backwords – not exactly the same as current forum stat therefore):
-   180d sent sMerits: 3088 to 419 users
-   180d sent sMerits to banned users: 42 to 7 users
-   180d Merited later to be banned users: 1,67%
-   180d sMerits sent to later to be banned users: 1,36%

I left everyone’s ratios here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DlUgqQhy6VSMMUufCUM1lPcyi-kI1EUGzXDHymrlOd0/edit?usp=sharing

So ~~much~~/many wasted ~~knowledge~~ merits ...

Note: Banned users derived from @LoyceV’s weekly updates.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: nakamura12 on September 13, 2021, 05:18:24 AM

My guess is that those accounts that got banned is because of plagiarism. No doubt about it.

Exactly, As reported in the links, both acquafredda and Kartama1 were discovered not only plagiarising, but also being alts of the same person!

I exchanged posts and merited multiple times acquafredda, and I reckon he was always providing good bitcoin-related content for the Italian board.
I also crossed the path with Kartama1, always in international boards, never had any suspicion about him being Italian, nevertheless being an alt of someone.
I didn’t bother to count or check closely on @loucev website, but I guess that the cumulated merits to those two profiles add up quite nicely to the total in @ddmrddmr chart above.
I am surprised and saddened by this, but forum rules are forum rules, and a legendary user (!!!) should know them. Actually, acquafredda being a legendary user, make all this story a little bit harsher.

Back on topic, I guess surely merits come way before merits, both on a temporal and on a logical timeline.
I expressed my view on my infamous thread:

Ranking up is possible! 2900 Merits earned in less than 12 months!My 11 Hints!

I think it’s is still a good read.

nakamura12

hero member

Activity: 2268

Merit: 669

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Didn't I just mention it in my first reply in this thread that knowledge is somewhat the KEY to open a door where in this case is to receive or earn merit?. I guess newbies don't really want to read first page of this thread instead only reading the op or the last post. After all, it's what keep spammers at bay.

Quote from: fillippone on September 13, 2021, 05:12:44 AM

Nevertheless, I am quite surprised topping this chart I ne we actually cared about as I tought i wasn’t involved in.
A little busy with IRL stuff atm, I’m going to figure out what happened.

My guess is that those accounts that got banned is because of plagiarism. No doubt about it.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on September 13, 2021, 03:13:36 AM

Code:

Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days
• 235: fillippone

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

Note: The focus above is on the Receivers on (s)Merits, that at some later point get banned for whatever reason. The Senders are generally faultless in the above context. The more people they try to merit, the likelier to hit someone that is going to ultimately be banned (specially, unfortunately, if the merited profile is of a lower rank).

Edit:

Quote from: babo on September 13, 2021, 03:16:41 AM

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To exemplify that receiving merits does now warrant getting to know your way around, and getting banned is still an open option regardless (in the context of @Gboyalhaji’s comment).

Nevertheless, I am quite surprised topping this chart I never actually cared about as I tought I wasn’t involved in.
A little busy with IRL stuff atm, I’m going to figure out what happened.

Edit:
Turns out acquafredda and karatma1, two profiles I had merited a lot recently, got banned.

CryptopreneurBrainboss

legendary

Activity: 2408

Merit: 4282

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Quote from: Joy_learns_crypto on September 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits.

The knowledge is what brings the merits, if you observe what's ongoing in the forum, you'll realize that those that are knowledgeable in specific areas are those who get merited easily because they tend to produce more quality content based on their exposure in that area. What that means is, if you want to get merited, get yourself educated.

If you try the cheat this phenomenon by plagiarizing or paraphrasing then it'll come back to hurt you later as you'll most likely get banned. Don't focus on getting merited instead focus on getting educated and also helping others with their education process in regards to their questions and you'll be merited. Merits are reward for your quality contributions so if you don't have such you won't be merited.

Imran232

full member

Activity: 700

Merit: 182

Yes you are right knowledge is better than merit. And you should add one more sentence which is if you can share knowledgeable thing you don't need to do anything to get merit then merit will come to you. So what do you thing am i right or not. Lots of new friends of my community ask me that how i get that much amout of merit but why they can't get. I suggest them do not post anything irrelevant, try to discussed more with constractive topic, and i follow my path my first 5-6 month i just spend my times to read post then reply. Thats why now i can easily understand any topic and share my thoughts about that. Thats why i got merit.

babo

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 4343

The hacker spirit breaks any spell

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on September 13, 2021, 03:13:36 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

Note: The focus above is on the Receivers on (s)Merits, that at some later point get banned for whatever reason. The Senders are generally faultless in the above context. The more people they try to merit, the likelier to hit someone that is going to ultimately be banned (specially, unfortunately, if the merited profile is of a lower rank).

I agree with you, who sends merits cannot know if the person will be banned in the future (he is responsible for it)
so I don't understand the reason for the list you link

it makes no sense, in my opinion, but everyone is free to do what he wants

<3

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: ?? on ??

Yes because your mission here in the first is to understand how it going in this forum and learn the rule and regulations <…>

It’s not really a mission, but rather a courtesy call (self-preservation at times too). Most are pretty logical and natural to comply with, even if you don’t read them to begin with.
Unfortunately, it seems that it’s not something people always do (I took a while), and even if they get merited, either their past catches-up, or they lose sight of some of the basis, as this stat seems to suggest:

Code:

Top senders to permabanned users, last 180 days
• 235: fillippone
• 100: Ratimov
• 57: CryptopreneurBrainboss
• 45: Welsh
• 42: DdmrDdmr
• 38: LoyceV
• 32: JayJuanGee
• 29: ETFbitcoin
• 25: OgNasty
• 21: The Pharmacist
• 20: hugeblack
• 18: Vispilio
• 15: Rruchi man
• 14: Plutosky
• 14: alexrossi
• 13: vapourminer
• 11: Quickseller
• 11: COOLCRYPTOVATOR
• 11: amishmanish
• 10: lovesmayfamilis
• 10: bitmover
• 10: paxmao
• 10: xandry
• 10: dbc23
• 10: Qunenin
• 10: NotATether
• 9: Pmalek
• 8: o_e_l_e_o
• 8: Halab
• 8: Mpamaegbu
• 8: RainbowKun
• 7: Jet Cash
• 7: CryptocurencyKing
• 6: Zilon
• 6: El duderino_
• 6: GeorgeJohn
• 6: Daniel91
• 6: cherry11800
• 6: PrimeNumber7
• 6: kxwhalexk
• 6: LFC_Bitcoin
• 5: Smartvirus
• 5: nakamura12
• 5: klarki
• 5: gbianchi
• 4: babo
• 4: sheenshane
• 4: Magicalking
• 4: kaggie
• 4: Ethan151

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

Note: The focus above is on the Receivers on (s)Merits, that at some later point get banned for whatever reason. The Senders are generally faultless in the above context. The more people they try to merit, the likelier to hit someone that is going to ultimately be banned (specially, unfortunately, if the merited profile is of a lower rank).

Edit:

Quote from: babo on September 13, 2021, 03:16:41 AM

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To exemplify that receiving merits does now warrant getting to know your way around, and getting banned is still an open option regardless (in the context of @Gboyalhaji’s comment).

Peanutswar

legendary

Activity: 1708

Merit: 1280

Top Crypto Casino

Many people created an account and continuously asking how to get merit because they want to be part of signature/bounty campaigns and those just want to spam only and to earn some of them they don't really care to make a contribution to the forum, in some instances there are members would like to share, help and contribute to the forum even though they are still on the lower rank the quality of the post they have deserves to be merited. This is the reason why there are some merit sources created a thread to let them help give merits to the right ones. If you are a quality member merit is just easy to get, don't chase merit, merit will come if they think deserved it.

Lordhermes

sr. member

Activity: 1232

Merit: 379

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 11, 2021, 02:28:33 PM

Knowledge should be the main focus for all newcomers. Now, I know that hunting for sig campains and playing day trader is more atractive, but in the long run, getting a good knowledge base is what will help you remain here for a long time to come. And that's the main thing, to make this a lifelong interest, not a weekend hobby.

Exactly! Some new members are not here to gain knowledge,they are basically here for signature campaign.Most of them don't also read what's in the forum,all that's very important to them is ranking up.

Having a good knowledge about how the activities here are done,and making sure that the contributions made by you are very reasonable enough.
Researching for new ideas,things that you donot understand,and asking questions in the forum in the area that seems complicating to you,will help you gain more knowledge,and make you important in the forum, than ranking up.

finaleshot2016

legendary

Activity: 1778

Merit: 1009

Degen in the Space

Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 11, 2021, 02:52:44 PM

Quote from: Joy_learns_crypto on September 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Actually it is pretty hard to gain merit if you do not have any enough knowledge, though some users might give you since giving merits are subjectively done, it's still rare to happen. As you can see, those that has lots of merits here are very knowledgable to a lot of things and they have really helpful and posts that has really sense.
Giving time to gather some knowledge is like investing, it is really good in the long run.

That's correct; I'm going to share my experience obtaining my merits; I've spent a lot of time creating threads and content that other users may find useful. It is critical to have a basic understanding of the topic before sharing it with others in order to make the discussion more interesting than if you are unsure of what you are attempting to share.

In general, knowledge is extremely important and should be prioritized because it is the factor that will make you more successful in your endeavors.

pilosopotasyo

member

Activity: 952

Merit: 27

Quote from: Joy_learns_crypto on September 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

CONCLUSION
All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Yes and that should always be the case, knowledge is education and we should cherish education, merits can be requested and there are reports that some people are selling it, you cannot advance and make a profit from Cryptocurrency if you have no knowledge about Cryptocurrency, you also need knowledge on how to protect your portfolio from hacking and market trend.

firesurfer

sr. member

Activity: 745

Merit: 252

This forum uses merit to judge an individual. The merit system is used by humans and not all knowledge posts receive merit. People send it in because they feel it's worth it. Maybe just a meme or beautifully arranged sentences...

Eureka_07

sr. member

Activity: 1764

Merit: 260

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Quote from: Joy_learns_crypto on September 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Actually it is pretty hard to gain merit if you do not have any enough knowledge, though some users might give you since giving merits are subjectively done, it's still rare to happen. As you can see, those that has lots of merits here are very knowledgable to a lot of things and they have really helpful and posts that has really sense.
Giving time to gather some knowledge is like investing, it is really good in the long run.

TheNineClub

full member

Activity: 616

Merit: 161

Knowledge should be the main focus for all newcomers. Now, I know that hunting for sig campains and playing day trader is more atractive, but in the long run, getting a good knowledge base is what will help you remain here for a long time to come. And that's the main thing, to make this a lifelong interest, not a weekend hobby.

LordMiguel

member

Activity: 175

Merit: 10

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yes, the more you learn, the more you understand crypto and the more you invest in the right product. scams are increasing and making the right choice can save you a lot. Also i don't think merit pays much here. majority of the people that goes for merits are bounty hunters that hunt for bounties with bitcoin payment. i think when you are knowledgeable enough, you will make huge money from crypto. that is possible. it depends on choice.

isaac_clarke22

sr. member

Activity: 1610

Merit: 264

Quote from: Oceat on September 11, 2021, 01:22:55 PM

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on September 11, 2021, 12:45:37 PM

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Having merits to be implemented first before ranking up is a huge help actually to help spammers or those who shitpost just to rank up faster. Back in the days, chronic account selling is the reason why spammers or bot keep popping up almost everyday that's why sometimes the forum can't take the loads of these and sometimes undergo on a maintenance for a couple of minutes or even an hour if I'm right.

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Ah yes, this too.
Back then I read that it wasn't that frowned upon too much, but due to hordes of spammers it became like something worthy to be tagged by DT members. Back in the year that I registered here (2017) I recall a lot of accounts selling happening in here which is just insane. I am happy that merit system took care of that for goodness sake.
Moving forward, the last account selling I ever read this year is just from that donator account that put his account for sale.

qwertyup23

hero member

Activity: 2268

Merit: 789

Quote from: Joy_learns_crypto on September 07, 2021, 06:47:50 AM

All these being said, I wish to advise my fellow newbie's to seek for knowledge first before talking about merits. Merits should come when you make a good post, so focus on making quality and educating posts than looking for merits.

Congratulations for making this far! Always celebrate the small achievements because this will give you the motivation to do better on your next post!

Merits are the collateral of a good post. If you contribute in the forum enough that people will appreciate it, you would be getting lots of merits without even noticing it. The problem with most newbies is that they are too focused on ranking up that their post quality suffers during the process. If you focus more on gaining knowledge and sharing them, the collateral would be the merits that you will be receiving.

Oceat

sr. member

Activity: 2506

Merit: 368

Quote from: isaac_clarke22 on September 11, 2021, 12:45:37 PM

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Surely if merits does not affect rank, there would be no such thing as like that back then as we all know that there are just those users that are just here in the forum for the sake of earning.

Having merits to be implemented first before ranking up is a huge help actually to help spammers or those who shitpost just to rank up faster. Back in the days, chronic account selling is the reason why spammers or bot keep popping up almost everyday that's why sometimes the forum can't take the loads of these and sometimes undergo on a maintenance for a couple of minutes or even an hour if I'm right.

But if you are only here to learn then you can do all of that without having a problem since you just want to read more information about how cryptocurrency/Bitcoin made by Satoshi, and the white paper, etc., then that's not a problem just be sure to read carefully the stickies and ask first if confused.

isaac_clarke22

sr. member

Activity: 1610

Merit: 264

Quote from: The Cryptovator on September 10, 2021, 01:51:23 PM

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Same thoughts as yours actually. We've seen a lot of newbies shitposting in Meta back in 2018 when the merit system was implement. Good thing that those kinds of threads already "kind of" drained out, because surely they know that they're only for the merit and not actually looking for just a natural conversation without thinking of merits.

Surely if merits does not affect rank, there would be no such thing as like that back then as we all know that there are just those users that are just here in the forum for the sake of earning.

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