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Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2022 Q3) [MODERATED] - page 3. (Read 41032 times)

hero member
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Yes, the @niloy111 account is indeed the alt account of @AF_Nill
Another alt was previously published by @decodx
Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue / Active profile (in ordinary link colour))

1. airdropfactory
2. niloy111


Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue / Active profile (in ordinary link colour))

1. soniaxsani
2. xxpyaraxx
3. xxlafangaxx

Proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58025319


Discord Username: Airdrop_Factory#3907
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Discord profile link: Airdrop_Factory#3907
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conclusion: I will leave a negative tag on both accounts related to cheaters and the Ban evasion account.
legendary
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Merit: 1775
It's not a copy error.

This is odd:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55456665
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55465327

(I'm on my cell phone - can someone check these, please?)
If you mean referring to a named user: @Kokosan And @niloy111, in terms of copying the Reddit account named @ami_nil1987 and the (Twitter) account @AmitSha63055056.

My understanding is that we will be wasting time, because @niloy111 has been banned and @Kokosan has been painted red, even though @Kokosan is still hanging around here.



Likewise with their other Alts, many of which are no longer used, some of which they painted and some of which were banned.

Telegram username:  @shopnochura1
twitter username:  @shopnochura007
ETH wallet address: 0x41eaEEd1f22b5B98119170aA33b4082Ec4224d08

Bitcointalk username : Niloy111
Eth address : 0x41eaEEd1f22b5B98119170aA33b4082Ec4224d08

Facebook Campaign
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/shopnochoraa
https://archive.fo/wip/gLBch

Facebook Report
Day: 18 (21/10/2021)
- Facebook Profile Link: https://www.facebook.com/shopnochoraa


From the data above, the user in question did not copy incorrectly, they are indeed connected Alt accounts.

They are 100% Alt
legendary
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According to Ninja, both users use that handle many times each.

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=aminiloy2022

It's not a copy error.

This is odd:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55456665
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55465327

(I'm on my cell phone - can someone check these, please?)
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 692
2 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)
1. AF_Nill
2. TeamSecret

Proof:
- BSC bep20 address: 0xB986D0FC970aF72261A0932F65c657CAc5A6D0a1
- Registration Email on Coinsbit: [email protected]
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Blog Platform Username: @aminiloy2022
Blog Profile Link: https://medium.com/@aminiloy2022
Polygon Chain Wallet Address: 0xf4c855738Dcdb587FBd82cA4b32822356998a44b
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aminiloy2022

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even though there is no use of the same social media account or address. but both accounts use the same Gmail account name and blog username. That's what made me initially assume both accounts were operated by the same person.

The second piece of evidence that strengthens my assumption is the existence of blockchain transactions from both addresses of the account.
https://bscscan.com/tx/0x40a3d4a1418669efa734a45521aa7ee1f4b06edb00c81744741c2083f0504012

although I believe both accounts are operated by the same person to cheat in the bounty campaign. I would like to hear opinions from other members who may have a different point of view.
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 692
2 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)

1. NewRanger
2. viananda2525

Miscellaneous:
Coincidences on the telegram account @rafa_ilkay. This telegram account appears on the forum only twice for these two accounts, from which we can conclude that it belongs to the same owner. Also, all evidence was removed to avoid detection.
I leave it up to the manager to decide whether to mark these accounts as cheaters or not.

manager @irfan_pak10
I believe both accounts should be tagged as cheaters. If proof of use of a deleted Telegram account is not enough, there is proof of blockchain transactions that can strengthen it.

viananda2525 Wallet Address: 0x86Df22316b6672AB6023942d7f48A4035219531D

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=0x86Df22316b6672AB6023942d7f48A4035219531D

NewRanger Wallet Address: 0x65BAb24bAF0994E4666F12F4abb82A87D23FaAbf

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=0x65BAb24bAF0994E4666F12F4abb82A87D23FaAbf

both addresses send BNB to the same address
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0xB553C165b53e8B1381f5D5685b4FFe37bda08994

https://bscscan.com/tx/0x7bbdebf54501720519b3ba18cd5c52e2e251568a225f88b9525d3be4cde90701


https://bscscan.com/tx/0x72f019ece0ce473d26ca8b718d8e1e8cf880f6b8fbe2d454ee3a165699e8eb22

I'm not sure, but there is a tendency for accounts to have changed hands. both accounts change their passwords almost at the same time. and both of them also no longer use the same address after woke up.
legendary
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2 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)

1. NewRanger
2. viananda2525

Proof:
https://ninjastic.space/search?content=%40rafa_ilkay


https://ninjastic.space/post/53837233


https://ninjastic.space/post/53152858

Related Addresses:
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Telegram username: @rafa_ilkay

Miscellaneous:
Coincidences on the telegram account @rafa_ilkay. This telegram account appears on the forum only twice for these two accounts, from which we can conclude that it belongs to the same owner. Also, all evidence was removed to avoid detection.
I leave it up to the manager to decide whether to mark these accounts as cheaters or not.

manager @irfan_pak10
 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1By1aJsV0RaA78Y9LmCSrRO4-9JpOEgS5Pc7xkVD4wTs/edit?pli=1#gid=642869535
[Bounty] enterapp | 🚀 $40k worth of Tokens 🚀 Pre-Sale is Live - 0.001$🔥

hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 583
8 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)


Looks like you bombed a farm that's been around since 2022. Should we offer medical help to the farmer? Grin

For now, he may not need medical assistance. but wait until the accounts are active again and see that the accounts have been painted red. it might make him quite frustrated.
Just see, these accounts will be online at the same time. because looking at the last time they left the forum they were also together.
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@Awaklara, maybe you still have some of them. I checked the blockchain transactions from one of the accounts. and it does lead to previously published account farms. Many accounts have been negatively tagged, but they continue to be produced again.
legendary
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8 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)


Looks like you bombed a farm that's been around since 2022. Should we offer medical help to the farmer? Grin
hero member
Activity: 1218
Merit: 692
8 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)
1. satu1server
2. geckoes
3. JavasScript
4. xboom
5. purrNegativity
6. Tekatekies
7. theEggpcy
8. ketunmbar

Proof:
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Quote from: xboom
Discord Username: nangsipskt#5471
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discord username : nangsipskt#5471
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Quote from: JavasScript
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Facebook Profile Url: https://web.facebook.com/skylaskysh
Discord Username: nangsipskt#5471
Facebook Profile Link: https://web.facebook.com/onemorelight/
Facebook Profile Link: https://web.facebook.com/marissablankskie

Miscellaneous:
Bounty cheater
although some accounts try to cover up their mistakes by deleting and editing posts. but the accounts are connected via blockchain transactions. that reinforces that all accounts are operated by one person to cheat the bounty campaign.
hero member
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try to show better defense evidence. If it succeeds in convincing, other members and maybe I will also support you in asking @Pandu Geddon to revise or delete the negative tag.

Thank you for explaining it to him in a more subtle way. it might keep him from exploding.

but I doubt he's going to prove anything here other than bullshit. especially after @lovesmayfamilis' discovery, it should bury its face.

@FlamingFingers damn it, you tagged me in red. but you are not the first.
come back with evidence, if you can't prove anything. don't bother replying here, the Op will probably delete your reply if it doesn't contain any evidence.
legendary
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I've stated so many times that this ain't me cheating, y'all need a prove or KYC to back up my statement? Stop banning people unnecessarily without hearing from them, that's why the forum is not as active as before, lots of undeserved ban from high ranking members

I will add that this account violates the ban rule.

Ban evasion.

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=%20%40yusufismail4

xclusiveguy Autoban user
Leo

But first, I have a question. Two years have passed, and you, FlamingFingers, have just decided to challenge your negative tag? Admit it, did you buy this account? Your connections with Leo go much further. There is also a match based on the wallet number, and this is the third case.

https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0x6AfC1c3Ef85b29cB29EA2c42bBf91465e1ca2238

There is also an account that received a negative tag for buying and selling accounts.
https://ninjastic.space/search?content=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fkelvin.michael.5458
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1949992

But if we return directly to your connections with Leo, namely @bitadio1 and the address 0x6AfC1c3Ef85b29cB29EA2c42bBf91465e1ca2238, they appeared earlier with Leo than with you.


Therefore, it makes no sense to talk about any intrigues against you. There are too many coincidences. And you are now violating the prohibition rule if you know (and I am sure that you have experienced) the rules. Smiley

And yes, did you change the local partition? Previously it was the Arabic partition, but now it is Nigeria? Grin

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5491704
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50099554
legendary
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I'm not at my desk, but call BS on FF who in the first example posts their details two months AFTER Leo.

I'm on my mobile phone and will check in about six hours time (after which I'll slap both with red paint for cheating bounties)...

Unless either can clarify what is really going on?
hero member
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I've stated so many times that this ain't me cheating, y'all need a prove or KYC to back up my statement? Stop banning people unnecessarily without hearing from them, that's why the forum is not as active as before, lots of undeserved ban from high ranking members
Just a suggestion for you, you can defend yourself if the evidence you are accused of is not strong.
Instead of saying you didn't cheat, maybe you can prove how this situation could occur.

We often come across users who also intentionally or unintentionally use other people's detailed account information to register for the same bounty campaign.
but in your case there are social media accounts and the same address has been published. and coincidentally both accounts joined the same campaign. it's against the rules of most bounty managers.

try to show better defense evidence. If it succeeds in convincing, other members and maybe I will also support you in asking @Pandu Geddon to revise or delete the negative tag.
sr. member
Activity: 1344
Merit: 288
Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue)

FlamingFingers
Leo

Proof:

Quote post by FlamingFingers
Join Airdrop

Bitcointalk username: Leo
Twitter username: @bitadio1
Telegram username: @bitcoiinTT1
TRC Address: TFP7URiAXm4Trr3CYLGdsgJjzjFvjo3pjE
https://ninjastic.space/post/55361376

PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION
Forum Username: FlamingFingers
Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/flamingfingers-919736;sa=summary
Telegram Username: @bitguy2
Participated Campaigns: signature campaign
BSC-20 address :0x05a1a30776f2B07f122a0C4726b7384A6dD54b9D
https://ninjastic.space/post/60148171

PROOF OF REGISTRATION
Forum Username:  Leo
Forum Profile Link https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/leo-50299;sa=summary
Telegram Username: @bitcoiinTT1
Participated Campaigns: Signature
Current post count :601
BSC wallet: 0x05a1a30776f2B07f122a0C4726b7384A6dD54b9D
https://ninjastic.space/post/60817867

Related Addresses:
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Twitter Username: @bitadio1
BSC-20 address :0x05a1a30776f2B07f122a0C4726b7384A6dD54b9D

Reporting:
I have marked these user's trust feedback pages with distrust.

Miscellaneous: Bounty cheater with multiple alts
Trident Protocol | Manager: irfan_pak10 | SPREADSHEET | signature #43 #61|

I've stated so many times that this ain't me cheating, y'all need a prove or KYC to back up my statement? Stop banning people unnecessarily without hearing from them, that's why the forum is not as active as before, lots of undeserved ban from high ranking members
legendary
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4: Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)

1. WARON
2. Klofroxing
3. Atalantee
4. SpyMedia

The owner of the SpyMedia alt has erased all posts, so I'm citing ninjastic as proof that it's the alt of the above accounts, although I've read that ninjastic is not accepted as proof. But having alts isn't a rule violation, so it's okay to link. I'm thinking so.
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5. OrderVLR
6. RevexVLR
7. arbaers

Proof:

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=jesusvlrx

Username: fatihasx11
Followers: 145k
OG EMAIL: YES
Meta Verified: YES
2019 Created!
Payment: Crypto
Price: 55$

dm asap to buy

CONTACT US :

Telegram: @jesusvlr

Discord: jesusvlrx


Instagram premium accounts on sale
Instagram username: fatihasx11

✔️Meta Verified!
✔️Aged account
✔️2019 Created!
✔️Project Account!
✔️Original email is provided. full access!
✔️The account is suitable for any purpose

💰Payment Methods
Bitcoin
Ethereum
Litecoin
Tether USDT...

☎️ MY CONTACT ☎️
Telegram: @jesusvlr

Discord: jesusvlrx


Instagram premium accounts on sale
Instagram username: fatihasx11

✔️Meta Verified!
✔️Aged account
✔️2019 Created!
✔️Project Account!
✔️Original email is provided. full access!
✔️The account is suitable for any purpose

💰Payment Methods
Bitcoin
Ethereum
Litecoin
Tether USDT...

☎️ MY CONTACT ☎️
Telegram: @jesusvlr

Discord: jesusvlrx


Instagram premium accounts on sale
Instagram username: fatihasx11

✔️Meta Verified!
✔️Aged account
✔️2019 Created!
✔️Project Account!
✔️Original email is provided. full access!
✔️The account is suitable for any purpose

💰Payment Methods
Bitcoin
Ethereum
Litecoin
Tether USDT...

☎️ MY CONTACT ☎️
Telegram: @jesusvlr
Discord: jesusvlrx
Whatsapp: wa.me/2623575570

legendary
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Merit: 4265
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3 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue/Active)

1. Mst.Wangdan$
2. Freelancershojib
3. projectdevelopment

Proof:


BTC address (Segwit)- bc1q66lz23wvvtygpt662g0gkfyska3t0lp9s5m0v8
https://ninjastic.space/post/62967737

BTC address : bc1q66lz23wvvtygpt662g0gkfyska3t0lp9s5m0v8
https://ninjastic.space/post/63010882

INSTAGRAM Profile Link: https://www.instagram.com/ramo_s4388
https://ninjastic.space/post/63076477

INSTAGRAM Profile Link: https://www.instagram.com/ramo_s4388
https://ninjastic.space/post/63617702

BSC wallet address: 0x3038A87E544BF64a2776BE233EC42A8f294B3E60
https://ninjastic.space/post/63418178

BSC Wallet Address: 0x3038A87E544BF64a2776BE233EC42A8f294B3E60
https://ninjastic.space/post/63872087

Related Addresses:
Code:
@Ramosbd
BSC wallet address: 0x3038A87E544BF64a2776BE233EC42A8f294B3E60
INSTAGRAM Profile Link: https://www.instagram.com/ramo_s4388
BTC address : bc1q66lz23wvvtygpt662g0gkfyska3t0lp9s5m0v8
@BountyPromotio

Miscellaneous:
Cheating in a bounty compan.

💫[BOUNTY]💫 SLAQQ | 1 MILLION $SLQQ WILL BE SHARED 🔥
6. Using multiple accounts, cheating and spamming are not allowed.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZUWr-plUAW6GxvnL7vU0Ux4RbizwI_U6CgRlNb0mEg/edit#gid=1428340582

🕵🏻‍♂️ [BOUNTY DETECTIVE] 🔵Luxury Coin - 2 Million LYXC REWARD POOL🔵
6. Using multiple accounts, cheating and spamming are not allowed. You will be disqualified from the bounty program
immediately and all your accounts will be banned permanently. Brand new accounts are not allowed to join.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Motqx0PqSUP1vuO2lmgvNPg7qbbrWcJWdSpt-uGYXQM/edit#gid=1254357381
legendary
Activity: 2128
Merit: 1775
5 Accounts Connected: (Note: Banned shown in red / Inactive in Blue / Active

1. live coin
2. Justin Beiiberr
3. 99Percent
4. Gerryy
5. echa123

Proof:

User= live coin
Telegram :livecoin200
Laguage : Korean
Eth : 0x0F870C6F8fC77bc2974C2A847c25f20725A56455
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Forum User : Justin Beiiberr
Telegram : @Denamir
Participated Campaigns: articel and vidio
BSC: 0x556A59f2EaA9ebd579B01985D36b82c5A8D286D7
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Post by: Justin beiiber
Bitcointalk username: 99percent
Rank: Full member
Current Post count: 202
ETH (BEP20 - BSC - Bianance Smart chain) address: 0xD15E78435423309B68Ef7323b1d7B3106679ee79
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Forum Username: Gerryy
Telegram Username: @gerryy555
Participated Campaigns: Articel
BSC Wallet Address: 0x4FB64A56d317e0d8A2C5a5B133Fd0bFaB6Caba13
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Forum User : Echa123
Telegram : @Echadoank
Participated Campaigns: Translation
ETH = 0x9BAe9d5674Ffe61194Db425284d42C181D3ABA6B
[ Archive ]

Related Addresses:
Code:
0x0F870C6F8fC77bc2974C2A847c25f20725A56455
0x556A59f2EaA9ebd579B01985D36b82c5A8D286D7
0xBa1A4Ce8D3D5E868231d59D9Ba636f8ea1f86F5d
0xD15E78435423309B68Ef7323b1d7B3106679ee79
0x380634d15eAc7dbb92D680eB007504332E9D3404
0x4FB64A56d317e0d8A2C5a5B133Fd0bFaB6Caba13
0x9BAe9d5674Ffe61194Db425284d42C181D3ABA6B

Miscellaneous:
I saw that the activity of the five accounts above was suspicious, but after I incorrectly indicated the accounts above, it was true that the five accounts were Alts that were connected and involved in cheating in the campaign: Topic: [Bounty] Sugar | 🚀 30k USD in Tokens 🔥 Potential BIG AIRDROP | #SocialFi #Earn, managed by: @irfan_pak10

The proof can be seen from several transaction activities that they carry out repeatedly. Initially I took the address used by: @live coin connected to the five accounts above.
Proof:
https://bscscan.com/address/0x0F870C6F8fC77bc2974C2A847c25f20725A56455


And other evidence with other addresses used were also proven to be connected.
Proof:
1. https://bscscan.com/address/0xba1a4ce8d3d5e868231d59d9ba636f8ea1f86f5d
2. https://bscscan.com/address/0x556a59f2eaa9ebd579b01985d36b82c5a8d286d7
3. https://bscscan.com/address/0xd15e78435423309b68ef7323b1d7b3106679ee79

Of the five accounts above four are in: SPREADSHEETS, both are recorded.
1. live coin (298)
2. Justin Beiiberr (290)
3. 99Percent (297)
4. Gerryy (288)




Other evidence here will show that @Gerryy & @echa123 have used the same address in different campaigns.
The proof can be seen below, so some of the evidence that exists, it is clear that they are Alts controlled by one person to cheat in various campaigns in the translate and articles sections.

Proof:

BTT User Name: Gerryy
Telegram User name: @geryy0
Joined Campaign : Articel
ETH address : 0x380634d15eAc7dbb92D680eB007504332E9D3404
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1) Your Bitcointalk username: echa123
2) Telegram username: @echa123
3) ETH wallet address:  0x380634d15eAc7dbb92D680eB007504332E9D3404
4)Which campaign(s) you are participating in: written/article
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Other actions they also blame each other (Merit), for example those carried out by: @99Percent and @Gerryy


legendary
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Definitely points to consider. Further discussion should be kept in the scam accusation thread. BC has taken our observations on board and appears to be keeping an open mind.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
Also thank you for summing up the conclusion, I appreciate it!

Your welcome - with your previous connection of SimpleMachin34 that makes five alts in all.


[...]
Stop asking me for nudes in PM btw AHOYBRAUSE. You are muted from now.

[...] I got a GF dude, stop sending me nudes.
[...]


Guess this person is not the smartest guy on this forum. Even kind of using the same insults, but with different accounts. Slowly it gets time for a tag I suppose .

Circumstantial, I know, which was the reason I didn't mention this and only keep them swirling on the back of my mind, I prefer a more smoking gun like a shared address and something more solid. But since we're going to circumstantial-spree... here's what I have in mind, noticed when I was/am overseeing all three acounts' case that they shared the same tiny writing quirk, but dismissed it as a mere [very uncanny] coincidence:

[...] The same for the second account or main account wtv.[...]

[...] They never told that the $500 would be needed to be played or wtv. [...]

[...] Please clarify that to me, because I don't see anything in their contacts or wtv regarding to this forum. [...]

"wtv" itself is not that uncommon to abbreviate "whatever", a quick look at ninjasatic tell me that many users use them, but I noticed that they are not being used in a simple "wtv", like, "yeah, do what you want, wtv, I don't care", the quirk extend to the use of the format "... or wtv".

And I looked at macedounius' post history. Given I never oversee his case, I am not familiar with his lexicon, but here,

[...]
That would be an error from their bots or support wtv. [...]

I didn't find this quirk on twentyon3x's post, so it might be an uncanny coincidence and it was nothing, that they're not connected, or it could simply means twentyon3x is not part of the cluster.

Further, it's been previously established through AHOYBRAUSE's finding as well his own confession [on a deleted post] that ghostingura2 and SimpleMachin34 is the same person. Another situation worth mentioning for those who are not following his accusation thread could probably miss [although it's been mentioned by AHOBRAUSE on his post here], was ghostingura2 has an addiction [as such, SimpleMachin34 also had it], and that he's notorious for weaponizing his condition to practically rob a casino, creating a lose-free situation where he asked for his bets to be voided due to his addiction, thus returning his deposit [and the amount he lost].

An interesting fact that I found upon looking at maceduonius' post was that he shared the same mental situation with ghostingura2, and I am not just talking about the addiction, it's the nuclear weapon he invented from his condition:

I contacted block email multiple times and I got no answers so far. Since 29 July I'm requesting to close my account and no reply was made! Can you at very least close my account now refunding the deposited funds since my closure request?

I'm contacting [email protected] with no answers from it.
https://ibb.co/gW1kF6T


So basically there is no way to request for immediatly account closure for gambling addicteds like me. Great



Note: sorry for not following the thread format. I can understand if you get annoyed and deleted this post, OP, but since this is just a circumstantial evidence and I merely voicing what's on my mind, amusing the theory of multi-acc...
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