La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 3169.

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Quote from: snipie on October 17, 2022, 03:58:16 PM

Villarreal 2-0 Osasuna, I don't know if the number of people that watched that match is lesser or even lesser than the ones that followed the Ballon d'Or ceremony Tongue

I didn't watch the Ballon d'Or ceremony and I didn't watch the Villareal game either. Benzema won the Ballon d'Or for this year, he was so excited to celebrate.

Win over Ossasuna was Villarreal's 4th win in the last 9 matches. Villareal have collected 15 points from 9 matches, but they will soon realize that this celebration of victory is unlikely to last long considering they will away match to Barcelona in the coming days. Villarreal have been inconsistent in the last 5 matches, they won only 1 match but will probably try their best when they away to Barcelona.

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I actually kind of knew that there was no way Barcelona was able to win this match against Real Madrid. Barcelona is just not good enough. Obviously, the 2-0 score was not looking encouraging at halftime. But Barcelona did score a goal toward the end of the match. Right when it looks like they might have a chance of coming back they conceded a penalty. Not an ideal match for Barcelona at all. Now Real Madrid has taken the advantage of points and become the team in the first position on the table. Barcelona has already done very badly in the Champions League. They will have to somehow find a way to climb back up to the first position in La Liga.

Real Madrid and Carlo Ancelotti are more experienced than Barcelona and Xavi Hernandez. They know how to punish opponent and how to finalize the match. With Barcelona, this defeat does not mean they already awarded the trophy to Real Madrid. They still have lot of matches in future to beat Real Madrid in a long competition. Especially what club is affected by the World Cup will probably have worse performance in later half of season.

As I said in previous posts, it was slightly more likely than Madrid winning, although in football you can never know. But I also said that I think Madrid are more likely to win this league because of the less pressure they have had since the start, which is increasing pressure on Barcelona. The Real Madrid fans mocked the coach yesterday by chanting 'Xavi quedate', in an ironic way, as they wanted to say that Xavi is a bad coach for Barcelona, that is good for Madrid, and that it is preferable for him to stay than to be sacked.
After the poor results in Europe and yesterday's result, not only the pressure is mounting not only on Barcelona, but on Xavi himself. I think he has his job for the moment, but if Barcelona are finally eliminated from the Champions League and have any more slip-ups in La Liga, Laporta will start to question whether to keep him.

@hd49728, Obviously, experience played an important part in El Clasico. That is a big reason for Real Madrid to get the penalty at the final moment of the match. This was a very important match for both teams. Right now I think it will be hard for Barcelona to get past Real Madrid on the table.

@Don Pedro Dinero, I don't think they are going to think about replacing Xavi, for a long time Barcelona was not doing good at all even though they had really good players. But Xavi is doing very well even though he does not have the type of player that Barcelona had before. So, I don't think right now they are going to think about replacing the coach at all.

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Lewandowski is still not a winner despite scoring in some important games but you are right it has to rotate the striker with some other young players, maybe it will be Lewandowski's impressive again like that's what Xavi has to do.
Midfielder Sergio Busquets also said he would no longer be a mainstay and would be replaced by Frankie De Jong

I agree with the rotation of players, it needs to be done by a coach who in previous matches has seen how bad the performance of his players is. But of course the fatigue factor might make Barcelona not perform optimally in this El Clasico match. We know a lot of energy was drained when they played against Inter a few days ago, and it wasn't long before they had to face the ferocity of Real Madrid players who had prepared themselves for such a great and historic match.

Basically Barcelona are having problems with their defense at the moment, but Xavi's strategy doesn't seem too good to be expected to produce much magic. The total number of shots produced is not proportional to the number of goals they have scored, meaning maybe the finishing of the players is not good.

Fatigue may be possible because indeed they have always faced tough matches in the last few games but of course this is not an acceptable excuse especially for the fans.
The defeat in El Clasico actually made this a painful defeat because this was a prestige battle and they lost now.
Right now Xavi has to forget this and come up with a good plan to get out of his current situation which is a mission impossible but still doable in the Champions League.

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An interesting game is about to start - Villarreal will be playing against Osasuna. This is a good opportunity for both clubs to pull away from each other in the standings. If there is no draw, one of the teams could overtake Valencia and get closer to fifth place. The last few games have not been very good for Osasuna, but the opponents have not been weak either. It's hard for me to predict who will win today, but I think it will be Villarreal, because they haven't had such serious games.

Villarreal 2-0 Osasuna, I don't know if the number of people that watched that match is lesser or even lesser than the ones that followed the Ballon d'Or ceremony Tongue

Villarreal is a good team and Osasuna could make surprises. Instable teams are the worst ones to be able to predict and this is exactly what Villarreal done today.

I'm sure the majority of people watched the Ballon d'Or award and place a bet there instead of watching Villareal vs osasuna. Villarreal scored 2 goals through Danjuma, and with this victory, Villarreal is ranked 7th in the standings.

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Quote from: snipie on October 17, 2022, 03:58:16 PM

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An interesting game is about to start - Villarreal will be playing against Osasuna. This is a good opportunity for both clubs to pull away from each other in the standings. If there is no draw, one of the teams could overtake Valencia and get closer to fifth place. The last few games have not been very good for Osasuna, but the opponents have not been weak either. It's hard for me to predict who will win today, but I think it will be Villarreal, because they haven't had such serious games.

Villarreal 2-0 Osasuna, I don't know if the number of people that watched that match is lesser or even lesser than the ones that followed the Ballon d'Or ceremony Tongue

Villarreal is a good team and Osasuna could make surprises. Instable teams are the worst ones to be able to predict and this is exactly what Villarreal done today.

I didn't watch but made a bet there and the result turned out to be quite good for them after the 4 matches they ran all failed because they didn't get full points.
This should be used as momentum for Villarreal because indeed they haven't been very good the last few weeks and are knocked out quite far now from an ideal position in the Champions League/Europa League.

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Quote from: fzkto on October 17, 2022, 01:31:19 PM

An interesting game is about to start - Villarreal will be playing against Osasuna. This is a good opportunity for both clubs to pull away from each other in the standings. If there is no draw, one of the teams could overtake Valencia and get closer to fifth place. The last few games have not been very good for Osasuna, but the opponents have not been weak either. It's hard for me to predict who will win today, but I think it will be Villarreal, because they haven't had such serious games.

Villarreal 2-0 Osasuna, I don't know if the number of people that watched that match is lesser or even lesser than the ones that followed the Ballon d'Or ceremony Tongue

Villarreal is a good team and Osasuna could make surprises. Instable teams are the worst ones to be able to predict and this is exactly what Villarreal done today.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on October 17, 2022, 01:19:26 PM

Xavi still have a long way to go when it comes to coaching, despite a club (Barcelona) having all the players it takes for a team to win a match, The Coach and it's experience matters a lot in some kind competition like this El Classico for instance. I do think that Barcelona lose to Real Madrid in yesterday's game was as a result of Xavi's lack of experience in coaching, Therefore Real Madrid Anceloti won the game with experience and not because they got quality players more than Barcelona.

It's not that easy, this is a team that was assembled just a few months ago, and most of the Real Madrid players have been there for a long time, some of them even 10+ years, and some of them for 3-4 years, that means they are more of a team, whereas Barcelona is just a club right now. If you keep the players in Barcelona for a few more years, they would be better too.

Plus, last year Barcelona won 4-0, did that mean they were a better team automatically? Of course not, they were still worse, and Real won both the league and UCL same year they lost 4-0, one game doesn't really tell the whole story neither, we should wait until the end of the season.

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Lewandowski is still not a winner despite scoring in some important games but you are right it has to rotate the striker with some other young players, maybe it will be Lewandowski's impressive again like that's what Xavi has to do.
Midfielder Sergio Busquets also said he would no longer be a mainstay and would be replaced by Frankie De Jong

I agree with the rotation of players, it needs to be done by a coach who in previous matches has seen how bad the performance of his players is. But of course the fatigue factor might make Barcelona not perform optimally in this El Clasico match. We know a lot of energy was drained when they played against Inter a few days ago, and it wasn't long before they had to face the ferocity of Real Madrid players who had prepared themselves for such a great and historic match.

Basically Barcelona are having problems with their defense at the moment, but Xavi's strategy doesn't seem too good to be expected to produce much magic. The total number of shots produced is not proportional to the number of goals they have scored, meaning maybe the finishing of the players is not good.

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It seems that villareal team managed to seal the game efter danjuma second goal, they are facing osasuna in a what was a tough and important game for both teams it seems that they both needed the three points to break their none winning streak but villareal team was more surgical and managed to grab two goals and they might score more goals considering how well they are playing in this second half.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on October 17, 2022, 02:57:40 PM

Villarreal 1 - 0 Osasuna
Finally has scored 1 goal before the first half (FH) ended. This is a good result.

60 minutes of time went and the score was good enough for Villarreal because with Arnaut Danjuma's Penalty and Brace it actually saved them.
But there's still plenty of time they can't let their guard down because even though Osasuna are currently defending but seeing their quick counter-attack it's a bit of a hassle so they only need to secure 30 minutes from now then that's good for Villarreal.

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Quote from: skarais on October 17, 2022, 02:00:09 PM

You're right, that's what I mean. Even if I like Barcelona's tiki-taka style, then I tend to stay neutral more often than not to see something from them. Barcelona is a good team among dozens of other Laliga teams, but their rivalry with Real Madrid seems likely to make fans of both of them hate each other. Apart from Real Madrid, Barcelona is the team most likely to win the title and it is recognized by many observers for each season.

For me Barcelona's tiki-taka game is no longer there, it's back to normal play with Xavi's general strategy, so Barcelona only dominates short passes and has control of the ball more than the opponent but unfortunately all that has been dominated it is still quite difficult for Xavi to penetrate the goal with his strategy.
The two teams will definitely be rivals forever and the fans are always heating up in each of these matches, so the LaLiga title chaser for Barcelona is still a reliable competitor, but for other competitions, it is still difficult to predict.

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Lewandowski missed out on El Clasico match mainly because he couldn't score, but he did provide an assist for Ferran. He's still sharp, but can't always score every match. Xavi has a lot of confidence in him, but may have to rotate Raphinha in his next match with Ansu Fati or Ferran.

Lewandowski is still not a winner despite scoring in some important games but you are right it has to rotate the striker with some other young players, maybe it will be Lewandowski's impressive again like that's what Xavi has to do.
Midfielder Sergio Busquets also said he would no longer be a mainstay and would be replaced by Frankie De Jong

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 17, 2022, 11:50:25 AM

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Why do you only consider games in La Liga where Barcelona had one strong opponent? Maybe it's worth considering Barcelona's games only against strong opponents if you think that Barcelona is close to them? And in this case we see 0-2 with Bayern, 0-1 with Inter, 3-3 with Inter (where a draw is tantamount to defeat) and 1-3 with Real. Now the picture looks a little different, doesn't it?

Nothing great from those 4 games for Barcelona, I mean they dropped points in the end although some people said they had a good game. Barcelona's failure to win the match means they have to accept failure that this is not a very perfect season in the Champions League, they must immediately realize their failure even though there is little hope on the edge.

I don't have more than 20% confidence to see Barcelona qualify from the group stage of the Champions League. But there is a lot of hope that remains for them to keep up with Real Madrid in Laliga who are currently 3 points clear.

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Quote from: fzkto on October 17, 2022, 01:31:19 PM

An interesting game is about to start - Villarreal will be playing against Osasuna. This is a good opportunity for both clubs to pull away from each other in the standings. If there is no draw, one of the teams could overtake Valencia and get closer to fifth place. The last few games have not been very good for Osasuna, but the opponents have not been weak either. It's hard for me to predict who will win today, but I think it will be Villarreal, because they haven't had such serious games.

Villarreal 0 - 0 Osasuna
As it is now they are playing draw, the both sides are playing well but Villarreal posses ball compare to Osasuna. The both defends are good for the defending work. Villarreal is oppressing its opponent (Osasuna). Everyone was thinking that Osasuna will be defeated by Villarrea but football game is not like that. Osasuna has not playing well in its previous matches but they can still rise up to take over the position. I also predicted for Villarrea to win the match because pressure against Osasuna is recommendable. But let us still wait till the end of the match. Even shots Villarrea pass them almost all the stats Villarrea is leading.

Villarreal 1 - 0 Osasuna
Finally has scored 1 goal before the first half (FH) ended. This is a good result.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on October 17, 2022, 01:19:26 PM

Xavi still have a long way to go when it comes to coaching, despite a club (Barcelona) having all the players it takes for a team to win a match, The Coach and it's experience matters a lot in some kind competition like this El Classico for instance. I do think that Barcelona lose to Real Madrid in yesterday's game was as a result of Xavi's lack of experience in coaching, Therefore Real Madrid Anceloti won the game with experience and not because they got quality players more than Barcelona.

Actually Barcelona also have very qualified players but most of them are youngsters of course. Xavi has been doing quite well anyway in fact but recently something has happened to them. Xavi is still unable to find the root of this problem to fix it as it seems. Real Madrid just applied their usual game plan against them and it worked superbly. Barcelona had a hard time defending their fast attacks. Benzema also disturbed their defense a lot with his goal attempts.

I agree that Ancelotti's experience is really important for Real Madrid side. However he was managing the team last season when they lost to Barcelona by 4-0 in Santiago Bernabeu also. Therefore this result is more related to Barcelona rather than Ancelotti's strategies I believe.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on October 17, 2022, 01:19:26 PM

Xavi still have a long way to go when it comes to coaching, despite a club (Barcelona) having all the players it takes for a team to win a match, The Coach and it's experience matters a lot in some kind competition like this El Classico for instance. I do think that Barcelona lose to Real Madrid in yesterday's game was as a result of Xavi's lack of experience in coaching, Therefore Real Madrid Anceloti won the game with experience and not because they got quality players more than Barcelona.

It would be wrong to say this is Xavi's lack of experience in playing because if we flashback to last season, precisely in their second meeting in the Liga, Barcelona won by a striking score with a margin of 4 goals there and that was when Xavi was in Barcelona.
So indeed this is not a matter of experience but Xavi's tactics and strategies did not work well on the other hand Madrid have also learned from experience because they have played and lost narrowly in a friendly match some time ago.

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Quote from: $crypto$ on October 17, 2022, 01:39:54 PM

When there are players who are injured, especially when they are in the position of defender, the defense will automatically become weak, so even though Xavi has tried to improve from the existing players, in reality it has to lose to other teams who are still not strong enough to face the team. Bayern Munich, Inter and Real Madrid that's what I saw recently.

You're right, that's what I mean. Even if I like Barcelona's tiki-taka style, then I tend to stay neutral more often than not to see something from them. Barcelona is a good team among dozens of other Laliga teams, but their rivalry with Real Madrid seems likely to make fans of both of them hate each other. Apart from Real Madrid, Barcelona is the team most likely to win the title and it is recognized by many observers for each season.

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Lewandowski is also not as sharp as he was at Bayern Munich before and some players are still not quite satisfied with that, but what I know is Xavi will still try his best to deal with this problem.

Lewandowski missed out on El Clasico match mainly because he couldn't score, but he did provide an assist for Ferran. He's still sharp, but can't always score every match. Xavi has a lot of confidence in him, but may have to rotate Raphinha in his next match with Ansu Fati or Ferran.

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The Barcelona team is not strong yet. We must accept this. Barcelona have played well in La Liga because they don't face strong opponents. Barcelona's squad has already proven how effective it is against strong teams. Barcelona dropped points against all three teams, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan and Madrid. And their defense was very weak. While Xavi has focused on strengthening his attack, he has not strengthened his defence. As a result, Barcelona cannot play well against strong teams.

Among the 7 new Barcelona players this season, then you should probably know that there are 4 defenders they have listed. Marcos Alonso, Christensen, Kounde and Bellerin are Barcelona's new signings this season and I think Xavi has also had a focus on his defense which has made your assumptions wrong. But the problem is, Barcelona must accept the fact that many defenders have to miss out due to injury. Honestly, this injury has put Barcelona's defense in trouble especially in the Champions League and more recently against Real Madrid.

When there are players who are injured, especially when they are in the position of defender, the defense will automatically become weak, so even though Xavi has tried to improve from the existing players, in reality it has to lose to other teams who are still not strong enough to face the team. Bayern Munich, Inter and Real Madrid that's what I saw recently.
Lewandowski is also not as sharp as he was at Bayern Munich before and some players are still not quite satisfied with that, but what I know is Xavi will still try his best to deal with this problem.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 17, 2022, 12:16:58 PM

The Barcelona team is not strong yet. We must accept this. Barcelona have played well in La Liga because they don't face strong opponents. Barcelona's squad has already proven how effective it is against strong teams. Barcelona dropped points against all three teams, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan and Madrid. And their defense was very weak. While Xavi has focused on strengthening his attack, he has not strengthened his defence. As a result, Barcelona cannot play well against strong teams.

Among the 7 new Barcelona players this season, then you should probably know that there are 4 defenders they have listed. Marcos Alonso, Christensen, Kounde and Bellerin are Barcelona's new signings this season and I think Xavi has also had a focus on his defense which has made your assumptions wrong. But the problem is, Barcelona must accept the fact that many defenders have to miss out due to injury. Honestly, this injury has put Barcelona's defense in trouble especially in the Champions League and more recently against Real Madrid.

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An interesting game is about to start - Villarreal will be playing against Osasuna. This is a good opportunity for both clubs to pull away from each other in the standings. If there is no draw, one of the teams could overtake Valencia and get closer to fifth place. The last few games have not been very good for Osasuna, but the opponents have not been weak either. It's hard for me to predict who will win today, but I think it will be Villarreal, because they haven't had such serious games.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on October 17, 2022, 12:47:38 PM

Barca's journey in La Liga is still very long because in the future Barca will face opponents who are not so strong and have to hope that Madrid make mistakes in order to shift their position at the top of the standings

but for the champions league, barca's hopes are really small, it's impossible for inter to lose that easily, currently barca's position in group C is in 3rd place and the chance of going down to the european league is very big

Failing to get 3 points in the El Classico match was quite painful especially since Barcelona has now been strengthened by many star players, but the defeat should have been a lesson for Xavi if his experience is still very far below ancelotti, what you say I fully agree because I think it is Barcelona should wake up and forget about the defeat to face the next match which is no less difficult, namely against Villareal, losing 3 points of course does not eliminate Barcelona hopes of becoming champions this season and I think the difference of 3 points from Madrid is not a very difficult thing to pursue if Barcelona can be more consistent in the next matchs.

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