La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 3233.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on September 28, 2022, 01:08:33 AM

Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 28, 2022, 12:56:25 AM

you can see that kind of performance on Messi. even some of the other players look like that too. Just look at Ronaldo who is also not as fast and agile as he used to be when he first started his fame at United. he is very fast and very hard to take down.
but I think Messi still has good marks for his other skills. such as calmness when holding the ball, and accuracy of passing. even a free kick service. Usually, the older a great player is, the more mature he will be in processing the ball. in the past, maybe we saw Ronaldinho as the person I was talking about.

Of course, Messi is a different type of player than Ronaldo. Messi is not very good at speed but he has ball skills that allow him to pass and provide great assists for other players. But lately his goal productivity has increased which he admits.

I think this season Messi will contribute a lot to PSG and his national team in the world cup, but I don't know if he can maintain his form like this next season if he returns to Barcelona. Really, I still hope he wears the Barcelona jersey not PSG or any other team next season and he might end his career there.

I often hear people say Messi and Ronaldo. Ronaldo is often said to be a football machine because indeed he is like a robot but for Messi he is often said to be a prodigy who has a special talent that sets them apart.
He is now quite comfortable with PSG and in fact he can be said to have adapted well.
His current form is arguably better than last season but that doesn't mean in this case he has to return to La Liga because I prefer him at PSG now.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 28, 2022, 12:56:25 AM

you can see that kind of performance on Messi. even some of the other players look like that too. Just look at Ronaldo who is also not as fast and agile as he used to be when he first started his fame at United. he is very fast and very hard to take down.
but I think Messi still has good marks for his other skills. such as calmness when holding the ball, and accuracy of passing. even a free kick service. Usually, the older a great player is, the more mature he will be in processing the ball. in the past, maybe we saw Ronaldinho as the person I was talking about.

Of course, Messi is a different type of player than Ronaldo. Messi is not very good at speed but he has ball skills that allow him to pass and provide great assists for other players. But lately his goal productivity has increased which he admits.

I think this season Messi will contribute a lot to PSG and his national team in the world cup, but I don't know if he can maintain his form like this next season if he returns to Barcelona. Really, I still hope he wears the Barcelona jersey not PSG or any other team next season and he might end his career there.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on September 27, 2022, 12:39:01 PM

Messi is not the main striker in PSG now. So it is foolish to think that he will score a lot of goals. Galtier changed Messi's position. Now I think Messi's main responsibility is to strengthen the bonding between the midfield and forward players. Messi can now be considered a playmaker. And Messi has been able to adapt to the new position quite well. And I think we will see better performances from Messi in the future.

For now, Messi has adapted very well to his new position, but for the future I think there will be a decline in his performance because considering he is 35 years old and next season he will be 36 years old. This is something that cannot be avoided by anyone including Messi himself, so the decrease in speed in dribbling and others I think will experience a slow decline in a Messi.

you can see that kind of performance on Messi. even some of the other players look like that too. Just look at Ronaldo who is also not as fast and agile as he used to be when he first started his fame at United. he is very fast and very hard to take down.
but I think Messi still has good marks for his other skills. such as calmness when holding the ball, and accuracy of passing. even a free kick service. Usually, the older a great player is, the more mature he will be in processing the ball. in the past, maybe we saw Ronaldinho as the person I was talking about.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on September 27, 2022, 12:39:01 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 27, 2022, 12:06:20 PM

I wonder what indicators you used to determine the extent of Messi's influence on PSG's game? In fact he doesn't show anything above average - PSG dominate Ligue 1 and any attacking player in midfield will have a good goal/assist statistic. Even if you compare him directly with Lewandowski, I would say that Lewandowski shows a much better productivity in Barcelona (although again you have to wait for games against strong teams).

Messi is not the main striker in PSG now. So it is foolish to think that he will score a lot of goals. Galtier changed Messi's position. Now I think Messi's main responsibility is to strengthen the bonding between the midfield and forward players. Messi can now be considered a playmaker. And Messi has been able to adapt to the new position quite well. And I think we will see better performances from Messi in the future.

This season Messi has only scored four goals in Ligue 1, the tally Messi has scored far behind team-mates Neymar and Mbappe. Neymar has scored 8 goals, while Mbappe has contributed 7 goals for PSG. Messi declining number of goals is not because he is not able to perform well with PSG, Messi contribution to PSG is very good, he has contributed 7 assists this season. Messi really enjoys his new role as a playmaker, this role is very suitable for Messi because he can't run like he used to due to his age factor.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on September 27, 2022, 12:39:01 PM

Messi is not the main striker in PSG now. So it is foolish to think that he will score a lot of goals. Galtier changed Messi's position. Now I think Messi's main responsibility is to strengthen the bonding between the midfield and forward players. Messi can now be considered a playmaker. And Messi has been able to adapt to the new position quite well. And I think we will see better performances from Messi in the future.

For now, Messi has adapted very well to his new position, but for the future I think there will be a decline in his performance because considering he is 35 years old and next season he will be 36 years old. This is something that cannot be avoided by anyone including Messi himself, so the decrease in speed in dribbling and others I think will experience a slow decline in a Messi.

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Quote from: masulum on September 27, 2022, 12:31:19 PM

Quote from: arimamib on September 27, 2022, 10:27:47 AM

Of course PSG will not let Messi go just like that, PSG will do whatever it takes to make Messi stay in Paris. But the final decision lies with Messi, he could return to Barcelona when his contract with PSG has expired.
Messi, who is one of Barcelona living legends, still loves the club that has made his name, especially now that Barcelona is being controlled by one of his closest friends. Xavi has asked Messi to help him rebuild Barcelona's strength, this request is very difficult to refuse because Messi and Xavi relationship is like family.

I think Barcelona can do well without Messi so far, why Xavi not keeping his trust for current squad? bringing back Messi might make Barcelona players lazy and depend on Messi and give him hope of victory. Xavi must be able to convince himself as a coach as well as his players, because even without Messi they can win the title. In my opinion, let Messi choose a team other than Barcelona, however, i think he is already prone to injury and is getting older of course sometime age is not a indicator he will become bad players, but Barcelona already found their playing rhythm without Messi.

I do agree with this. This time barcelona can do something without him. that proves that if era for the club actually rely with him already over. IF he was coming back to the barcelona as a new player and that would be fine but the problem is once he was coming back to the club while the club is still struggling with its financial. The come of mess will become a disaster for the club. He will be very suitable to be a new coach for barcelona in the future.
Im seeing it as a potential future career for messi

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Quote from: Pokapoka124 on September 27, 2022, 04:24:17 PM

Too bad Barcelona have found their self in a very tough group and they will be competing against big teams like Bayern and Inter Milan. The previous game they lost to Bayern Munich was a disappointing one and to boost the team's moral they will be looking to win against Inter in the next group game. I'm not quite sure if Barcelona will be able to achieve this because it will be a tough one for them.

The challenge at the start is better than the challenge at the end, meaning Barcelona will have to prove that they can come out of this challenge early and enjoy the result at the end. The 2 teams they have to beat are Bayern Munich and Inter, but of course it won't be easy. Previously, Barcelona lost to Bayern Munich on the road but they should try to win their second match at Camp Nou against Bayern Munich.

Xavi really have to make every effort to qualify from the group stage although I really believe they can handle this well. So far they are playing well despite losing to Bayern Munich, they are just unlucky.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 27, 2022, 05:24:16 PM

Messi has managed to make an impact at the PSG this season, his contribution has been great, although it took him too long to get back to this form but it’s good I know his fans will be fuming in excitement now to see their star back in full action. Messi's contributions seems to be finally rewarded for with a new deal, it is good news for the club and the fabs at large because Messi will continue to strengthen the team and boost the squad.

Expecting Messi to perform more than what he has done so far for PSG might be unfair considering his age. He has played 45 games and scored 17 goals with 22 assists, which is not a bad statistic because he is not the club's main striker. PSG would have no regret signing that exceptional player. Apart from his current outstanding performance on the pitch, his signing attracted many lucrative sponsorship deals to PSG. His replica jersey had almost one million sales and the fan base of the club had a 50% increase. His arrival also benefitted the french league because it improved its football's global appeal. The club is very lucky to benefit from the signing of the player both on the pitch and off the pitch.

Another great impact of signing Messi is that he has been a positive influence and a mentor to younger players. Unlike Mbappe and Neymar that keeps portraying immature behavior, Messi has been able to show that selflessness and team-playing is a great virtue. And I am sure many young players would imbibe this uncommon virtue.

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Quote from: Luzin on September 27, 2022, 05:20:31 PM

After the players play with the Country in the official FIFA calendar. This weekend enters its seventh week, there is no big game. Barca and Madrid will face teams that I don't think are difficult. They just shouldn't underestimate the opponent.

Mallorca vs Barcelona
Real Madrid vs Osasuna

They should have gained three points. For six weeks they have never lost in the League, and only they other teams have tasted defeat.

But there is a downside because some players get injured while playing for their country. Barcelona for example, they had to lose 4 players and that player is a key player for the Barcelona squad. Kounde, De Jong, Depay, Araujo had to rest a few weeks to recover from their injuries.
Actually I don't mind when they play a game against a team whose quality is below them. But the problem is when they have to miss important games like El Clasico.

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I don't think it will work, looks like messi will still have one more season to go before he actually retires. if barcelona are planning to facilitate messi's return to camp nou, just to become a club ambassador, or as you say as the new coach of barcelona.

I assume that won't happen. if the scenario is as you say, in other words Xavi will be replaced. Isn't it Xavi who wants Messi to return to Camp Nou, there are a lot of rumors going around. but for sure, messi still has a chance if he still wants to play one more season with PSG. PSG have the option to extend Messi's contract for another year.

With Messi contribution at PSG clearly having a big impact, it is possible that his contract will be extended. It is not difficult for a PSG manager who has a lot of money on the condition that Messi can strengthen PSG's front position again. I know PSG still has Neymar and Mbappe will continue. Messi's help up front shows that PSG needs him in the long term. It will still happen if the other options i.e. Messi are not extended, the advantage is at Barcelona and what Xavi hopes to happen is Messi's return to the atmosphere of El Barca.

Messi has managed to make an impact at the PSG this season, his contribution has been great, although it took him too long to get back to this form but it’s good I know his fans will be fuming in excitement now to see their star back in full action. Messi's contributions seems to be finally rewarded for with a new deal, it is good news for the club and the fabs at large because Messi will continue to strengthen the team and boost the squad.

Messi did a great job in PSG although he has made only a few goals but his contribution was a lot to the club just like when he was giving a very good passing to the neymar and neymar convert it as a goal for the club. PSG has taken the best decision by bought him from barcelona.
Barcelona is still struggling with its debt while messi has no problem with its financial in PSG. Messi has been taking the right choice for his career in the club.
He was already managed to be one of legendary player that is still alive and actively playing the game.

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After the players play with the Country in the official FIFA calendar. This weekend enters its seventh week, there is no big game. Barca and Madrid will face teams that I don't think are difficult. They just shouldn't underestimate the opponent.

Mallorca vs Barcelona
Real Madrid vs Osasuna

They should have gained three points. For six weeks they have never lost in the League, and only they other teams have tasted defeat.

Yes, Real Madrid has demonstrated well through out their six weeks they didn't experienced any defeat from any teams in this La Liga league competition, showed that Real Madrid are in a good position to lead in this season. If Real Madrid can maintain this position till the end of this tournament, I think, they will definitely embrace the title from the season because their players are very ready to improve more in their tactics. Barcelona also demonstrated well through out the six weeks to alert their fans that they have what it takes to finish this season well.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on September 27, 2022, 08:34:15 PM

Fan demands have been very high on Xavi this season, especially after they spent a lot of money to bring in 7 new players. I wouldn't think they would guarantee the title, but at least barcelona at the moment have had a good improvement in terms of form.

Last season, Auba had helped them with a goal productivity problem which initially stalled because Barcelona did not have a reliable striker. But this season things haven't been the same, Auba is gone and Lewandowski is starting to present a lot of possibilities for his goalscoring productivity. Barcelona's probability of winning every match has increased, thanks to the efforts and sacrifices made by the players and the club.

Actually, this demand is still reasonable because the players who have brought in are clearly players with a fairly good caliber and at an expensive price even though this threatens their finances.
But on the other hand, this is actually still something that is difficult for Xavi because it is clear that the pressure is very large, apart from him being required to change his current condition, he is also required to win instantly and that is something difficult for sure.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on September 27, 2022, 06:24:04 PM

So true.
Xavi's challenge at that time was really tough. Moreover, he also received a very heavy burden and very high demands, both from the club side and especially Barcelona fans. Because Xavi was one of Barcelona's maestro players with various experiences and achievements he has gone through. So at that time, it was really like he was being tested on how he could rebuild Barcelona and make the club rise again from its downturn. In fact, there were a lot of insults and trifles from people at that time, especially when Barcelona was still experiencing several defeats in the previous few matches.
But now Xavi can really prove it. Even though it's still in progress, at least, the team's progress is extraordinary. But of course, this is also contributions from many sides of the club also.

Fan demands have been very high on Xavi this season, especially after they spent a lot of money to bring in 7 new players. I wouldn't think they would guarantee the title, but at least barcelona at the moment have had a good improvement in terms of form.

Last season, Auba had helped them with a goal productivity problem which initially stalled because Barcelona did not have a reliable striker. But this season things haven't been the same, Auba is gone and Lewandowski is starting to present a lot of possibilities for his goalscoring productivity. Barcelona's probability of winning every match has increased, thanks to the efforts and sacrifices made by the players and the club.

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Xavi returned to Barcelona when Barcelona's conditions were very bad. They were poor financially and the Barcelona squad at that time was in a crisis of motivation. Messi's departure to PSG and Suarez's departure to Atletico Madrid made it difficult for Barcelona to find a way to score goals and win match. So Xavi has been really tested since his arrival because there are a lot of problems he has to solve for that team.

But Barcelona managed to bounce back even though in the end they had to give up all the titles that might be won at the end of the season, for example the Europa League when Xavi had to submit to Frankfurt. Everything changed because of Xavi, even this season Barcelona is willing to do everything to increase his chances in various competitions. I don't expect a disappointing end to the season even though at the moment Barcelona's performances have been very good.

So true.
Xavi's challenge at that time was really tough. Moreover, he also received a very heavy burden and very high demands, both from the club side and especially Barcelona fans. Because Xavi was one of Barcelona's maestro players with various experiences and achievements he has gone through. So at that time, it was really like he was being tested on how he could rebuild Barcelona and make the club rise again from its downturn. In fact, there were a lot of insults and trifles from people at that time, especially when Barcelona was still experiencing several defeats in the previous few matches.
But now Xavi can really prove it. Even though it's still in progress, at least, the team's progress is extraordinary. But of course, this is also contributions from many sides of the club also.

Indeed I admit Xavi is a great person as a coach, after Xavi replaced Koeman could make Barcelona experience a very significant improvement.
Even Xavi managed to make Barcelona in second place the previous season, it was a very good achievement. Although many are disappointed
that Barcelona failed to win the Europa League trophy, but the failure is still understandable because Xavi has just become Barcelona coach.
But this season Xavi's burden is much heavier than the previous season in my opinion. Because this season Xavi has been given a lot of new players,
meaning that Barcelona's management really gave Xavi what he needed to win trophies this season.

So Xavi must be able to give a trophy this season, if it fails of course this will be a bad record for Xavi. Though not necessarily a guarantee with
the arrival of new players, will make Barcelona appear better, it all depends on the playing strategy that Xavi will use. But so far Barcelona's
performance is quite satisfactory, maybe only the defeat to Bayern is an important note for Xavi, in order to improve Barcelona's performance for
the better. But I believe with Xavi's ability, Barcelona will win at least one trophy this season.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on September 27, 2022, 12:39:01 PM

Messi is not the main striker in PSG now. So it is foolish to think that he will score a lot of goals. Galtier changed Messi's position. Now I think Messi's main responsibility is to strengthen the bonding between the midfield and forward players. Messi can now be considered a playmaker. And Messi has been able to adapt to the new position quite well. And I think we will see better performances from Messi in the future.

Messi is one of the main attackers in PSG, and Galtier doesn't change his position. Everyone knows Messi's main position is a right-winger, not as a CF (center-forward). By the way, a player doesn't need to be a CF to be the top scorer but he must be a priority to deliver assists and be a penalty kicker, to optimize the chance of scoring goals. It is actually Messi got in Barcelona, but he didn't get as long as he played in PSG. Regarding the position as a playmaker, it is not something new for Messi since he ever did it in Barcelona. So, it isn't surprising if Messi can do it very well in PSG, too.

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Quote from: naira on September 27, 2022, 09:14:36 AM

With Messi contribution at PSG clearly having a big impact, it is possible that his contract will be extended. It is not difficult for a PSG manager who has a lot of money on the condition that Messi can strengthen PSG's front position again. I know PSG still has Neymar and Mbappe will continue. Messi's help up front shows that PSG needs him in the long term. It will still happen if the other options i.e. Messi are not extended, the advantage is at Barcelona and what Xavi hopes to happen is Messi's return to the atmosphere of El Barca.

I wonder what indicators you used to determine the extent of Messi's influence on PSG's game? In fact he doesn't show anything above average - PSG dominate Ligue 1 and any attacking player in midfield will have a good goal/assist statistic. Even if you compare him directly with Lewandowski, I would say that Lewandowski shows a much better productivity in Barcelona (although again you have to wait for games against strong teams).

Messi is not the main striker in PSG now. So it is foolish to think that he will score a lot of goals. Galtier changed Messi's position. Now I think Messi's main responsibility is to strengthen the bonding between the midfield and forward players. Messi can now be considered a playmaker. And Messi has been able to adapt to the new position quite well. And I think we will see better performances from Messi in the future.

He was able to play in the multiple positions. Messi is not having very big ambition like when he was on barcelona. He was changing his mission with the goes of time. He wants to bring the club to the so many trophies and making lots of goal will not always become the best choice. Sometime it needs a good team with good chemistry to create a very good team work. That's why sometime messi has been giving best assist for his friend that played as attacker like neymar or mbappe

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Quote from: ShowOff on September 24, 2022, 04:35:12 PM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on September 24, 2022, 04:26:10 PM

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Xavi returned to Barcelona when Barcelona's conditions were very bad. They were poor financially and the Barcelona squad at that time was in a crisis of motivation. Messi's departure to PSG and Suarez's departure to Atletico Madrid made it difficult for Barcelona to find a way to score goals and win match. So Xavi has been really tested since his arrival because there are a lot of problems he has to solve for that team.

But Barcelona managed to bounce back even though in the end they had to give up all the titles that might be won at the end of the season, for example the Europa League when Xavi had to submit to Frankfurt. Everything changed because of Xavi, even this season Barcelona is willing to do everything to increase his chances in various competitions. I don't expect a disappointing end to the season even though at the moment Barcelona's performances have been very good.

So true.
Xavi's challenge at that time was really tough. Moreover, he also received a very heavy burden and very high demands, both from the club side and especially Barcelona fans. Because Xavi was one of Barcelona's maestro players with various experiences and achievements he has gone through. So at that time, it was really like he was being tested on how he could rebuild Barcelona and make the club rise again from its downturn. In fact, there were a lot of insults and trifles from people at that time, especially when Barcelona was still experiencing several defeats in the previous few matches.
But now Xavi can really prove it. Even though it's still in progress, at least, the team's progress is extraordinary. But of course, this is also contributions from many sides of the club also.

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Quote from: naira on September 27, 2022, 09:14:36 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 27, 2022, 01:51:53 AM

I don't think it will work, looks like messi will still have one more season to go before he actually retires. if barcelona are planning to facilitate messi's return to camp nou, just to become a club ambassador, or as you say as the new coach of barcelona.

I assume that won't happen. if the scenario is as you say, in other words Xavi will be replaced. Isn't it Xavi who wants Messi to return to Camp Nou, there are a lot of rumors going around. but for sure, messi still has a chance if he still wants to play one more season with PSG. PSG have the option to extend Messi's contract for another year.

With Messi contribution at PSG clearly having a big impact, it is possible that his contract will be extended. It is not difficult for a PSG manager who has a lot of money on the condition that Messi can strengthen PSG's front position again. I know PSG still has Neymar and Mbappe will continue. Messi's help up front shows that PSG needs him in the long term. It will still happen if the other options i.e. Messi are not extended, the advantage is at Barcelona and what Xavi hopes to happen is Messi's return to the atmosphere of El Barca.

Messi has managed to make an impact at the PSG this season, his contribution has been great, although it took him too long to get back to this form but it’s good I know his fans will be fuming in excitement now to see their star back in full action. Messi's contributions seems to be finally rewarded for with a new deal, it is good news for the club and the fabs at large because Messi will continue to strengthen the team and boost the squad.

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After the players play with the Country in the official FIFA calendar. This weekend enters its seventh week, there is no big game. Barca and Madrid will face teams that I don't think are difficult. They just shouldn't underestimate the opponent.

Mallorca vs Barcelona
Real Madrid vs Osasuna

They should have gained three points. For six weeks they have never lost in the League, and only they other teams have tasted defeat.

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Quote from: sayaya17 on September 26, 2022, 06:52:45 PM

It is true that Barcelona's concentration for now is preparing to face Inter in the Champions League. Because after being defeated by Bayern,
Barcelona must be able to bounce back and must win against Inter if Barcelona are to ensure qualification for the next round. If we look at Inter's
poor performance this season, Barcelona should be able to beat Inter. But Inter are a strong team and are not easy to beat, so Barcelona must be
careful when facing Inter. After Barcelona managed to beat Inter, then Barcelona can start preparing for the El Clasico match. Moreover, Barcelona
got bad news with 4 of its players who suffered injuries due to defending their respective national teams. Memphis Depay, Frenkie de Jong,
Ronald Araujo and Jules Kounde are the names of injured Barcelona players. Fortunately, only Araujo is the player who will be out for a maximum of
about 7 weeks, 3 more players hopefully can recover quickly.

Too bad Barcelona have found their self in a very tough group and they will be competing against big teams like Bayern and Inter Milan. The previous game they lost to Bayern Munich was a disappointing one and to boost the team's moral they will be looking to win against Inter in the next group game. I'm not quite sure if Barcelona will be able to achieve this because it will be a tough one for them.

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