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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 26, 2022, 10:41:57 AM

If Messi comes back to Barcelona next season I'm pretty sure that he would do his best for the team. I don't think that Xavi would change his strategies to build a game based on him. But he would surely find the right place for him in the starting eleven.

His current performance level at PSG is definitely enough for the team. As long as he keeps this up regularly they will stay strong against every team they face in the Champions League. After having a very productive season I wonder if Barcelona will try their luck by making an offer. Actually they have the biggest credit for Messi already as long as they agree terms with him about a contract.

with great consideration, Barcelona should be able to bring Messi home. but that would go against Barca's current finances. although quite good with the signing of players in the summer transfer market. but Barca also had to release some of their players to cover their finances.
brought Messi from a rich club and was concerned with business. I don't think it will be easy for Barcelona to get Messi again. except with Barcelona's ability to reach an agreement with PSG.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 26, 2022, 04:35:24 AM

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There are two teams that can still keep them from losing, and these two teams are teams that are used to competing for the title, Real Madrid and Barcelona. This is something we have seen in the La Liga table for a long time. But now it's back with new colors from Barcelona especially. This is good news for Barcelona fans, but not for Real Madrid. Because now they will not be as comfortable as last season when they managed to become champions.

These two teams do have good strategic analysis and very supportive strength so it is very difficult to beat, unfortunately these two big teams will soon meet in the match in October next month, so this will be a very interesting match and of course when watching live on the field live will create a thrilling atmosphere.

The strategy battle between Carlo Ancelotti and Xavi Hernandez will be presented in this big match. Xavi with his trademark is to dominate the game, while Ancelotti will be more waiting and looking for opportunities to take advantage of mistakes made by Barcelona. In terms of experience, it is clear Ancelotti is more experienced than Xavi. But Xavi will not allow Ancelotti to break the strategy he will apply in this match.

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If Messi comes back to Barcelona next season I'm pretty sure that he would do his best for the team. I don't think that Xavi would change his strategies to build a game based on him. But he would surely find the right place for him in the starting eleven.

His current performance level at PSG is definitely enough for the team. As long as he keeps this up regularly they will stay strong against every team they face in the Champions League. After having a very productive season I wonder if Barcelona will try their luck by making an offer. Actually they have the biggest credit for Messi already as long as they agree terms with him about a contract.

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It looks like matchday 7 will be the end for Osasuna to be in the top five in the standings, because Osasuna will play away against Real Madrid which of course Real Madrid will win. Therefore, teams under Osasuna like Villarreal who will certainly win against Cadiz will make Villarreal replace Osasuna. In fact, if the three teams below Villarreal get a win as well, then of course Osasuna will soon be in ninth place. But if the scenario is that the four teams win all but clearly anyway, Osasuna is still not strong enough to maintain its position in fifth place.

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The return, if happens, will be similar to the return of Ronaldo to Manchester United. They are both very old players and one season can change their body and performance a lot. You can verify it with Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo. Their performance suddenly falls a lot in two consecutive seasons. It's ageing effect that is unavoidable.

Xavi move to Barcelona as a player it may not be, but there may be others who support the development of Barcelona. It's time for them to run out, and they themselves have to realize. There is a desire for Ronaldo who still wants to play until the Euros, meaning that he still wants to play in 2024. Currently, Messi is still quite effective at PSG because their league tempo does not require too much physical strength. But for Ronaldo, he already looks very slow, perhaps this is due to the hard and fast tempo of the EPL. Perhaps if he were in Serie A or to france his fate would have been different.

Any chance Messi is getting at PSG is not enough in my opinion. Messi has to play in a different position from his preferred position. Maybe he will be able to give PSG something better if given more opportunities. It is never right to compare Ronaldo with Messi. I doubt if Ronaldo's form will return. Maybe he failed to select the club

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2022, 09:40:27 AM

Quote from: Marvell1 on September 26, 2022, 09:28:05 AM

The return of Messi is not going to be that beneficial for both parties in my opinion. It's something like people say to never meet your heroes, and we can also say that the Messi era has ended and it's time for Barcelona to build their squad without having him in mind.

The return, if happens, will be similar to the return of Ronaldo to Manchester United. They are both very old players and one season can change their body and performance a lot. You can verify it with Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo. Their performance suddenly falls a lot in two consecutive seasons. It's ageing effect that is unavoidable.

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When it comes to looking at Barcelona right now compared to a year ago, we can see that they have improved their football under Xavi and are doing a pretty good job right now. It may not be a good idea right now to bring Messi in and put him under pressure, as well as adjust the club's wage budget in order to accommodate him.

Messi is old and getting older. His career is at very ending and Barcelona is building their team with young players. So why do they need Messi to come back? Are they ready to pay Messi high salary again? Do they think the appearance (return) of Messi won't cause any trouble in dress room?

Despite the fact that Messi is old, I don't see his form as bad, as Ronaldo is in bad form. When Messi plays for his country we see his form, he plays great. Messi is a player who can break 5-7 defenses with one pass. Messi will return if he thinks he is perfect for Barca or not. The way Messi likes to play, only his country and Barcelona can create opportunities.

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Quote from: hd49728 on September 26, 2022, 09:40:27 AM

The return, if happens, will be similar to the return of Ronaldo to Manchester United. They are both very old players and one season can change their body and performance a lot. You can verify it with Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo. Their performance suddenly falls a lot in two consecutive seasons. It's ageing effect that is unavoidable.

Xavi move to Barcelona as a player it may not be, but there may be others who support the development of Barcelona. It's time for them to run out, and they themselves have to realize. There is a desire for Ronaldo who still wants to play until the Euros, meaning that he still wants to play in 2024. Currently, Messi is still quite effective at PSG because their league tempo does not require too much physical strength. But for Ronaldo, he already looks very slow, perhaps this is due to the hard and fast tempo of the EPL. Perhaps if he were in Serie A or to france his fate would have been different.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on September 26, 2022, 09:28:05 AM

The return of Messi is not going to be that beneficial for both parties in my opinion. It's something like people say to never meet your heroes, and we can also say that the Messi era has ended and it's time for Barcelona to build their squad without having him in mind.

The return, if happens, will be similar to the return of Ronaldo to Manchester United. They are both very old players and one season can change their body and performance a lot. You can verify it with Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo. Their performance suddenly falls a lot in two consecutive seasons. It's ageing effect that is unavoidable.

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When it comes to looking at Barcelona right now compared to a year ago, we can see that they have improved their football under Xavi and are doing a pretty good job right now. It may not be a good idea right now to bring Messi in and put him under pressure, as well as adjust the club's wage budget in order to accommodate him.

Messi is old and getting older. His career is at very ending and Barcelona is building their team with young players. So why do they need Messi to come back? Are they ready to pay Messi high salary again? Do they think the appearance (return) of Messi won't cause any trouble in dress room?

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Quote from: Awaklara on September 25, 2022, 10:13:25 AM

Quote from: Fakhrulenclix on September 25, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

yes that's right, now messi is old and his performance is getting worse of course if Messi returns to Barcelona it will not guarantee that he will be able to make a big contribution.
now Barcelona under Xavi's care slowly has improved. I think they should forget the past and also don't expect Messi to come back better the Barcelona team continues to focus on improving and bringing in or giving birth to other new stars.

it would be better for Barcelona. and I think Messi will realize that too. even if he returns he will not give anything to Barcelona in his current state. it will be a burden on Barcelona's finances, which are currently not improving.
Messi is currently playing for a club that can afford him. he is already a big history for Barcelona. no betrayal I guess. conditions that make Messi have to leave Barcelona. but he will still respect the fans and the club of his past.

The return of Messi is not going to be that beneficial for both parties in my opinion. It's something like people say to never meet your heroes, and we can also say that the Messi era has ended and it's time for Barcelona to build their squad without having him in mind.

When it comes to looking at Barcelona right now compared to a year ago, we can see that they have improved their football under Xavi and are doing a pretty good job right now. It may not be a good idea right now to bring Messi in and put him under pressure, as well as adjust the club's wage budget in order to accommodate him.

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Quote from: sayaya17 on September 25, 2022, 06:36:42 PM

Quote from: bekti3 on September 25, 2022, 03:25:53 PM

Inevitably they have to force this because even though their target is for the long term but with the amount of spending they spent in the transfer market some time ago and their current financial condition if they want to make a profit they obviously have to bring at least one Trophy to Camp Nou because otherwise this will make things worse and it is not impossible that news of their financial condition is getting worse again next season.

Barcelona's spending is indeed very large in this year's transfer market to bring in several new players. As you said it means that Barcelona must be
able to win at least one trophy this season, so that Barcelona's enormous expenditure is not in vain. It would be better if in the Champions
League Barcelona could step up to the semifinals or finals, it could provide them with quite a large income. Of course for Xavi to be a very big
pressure, because Xavi must be able to make Barcelona not only show a good performance, but surely Xavi should be able to bring Barcelona
to a trophy. Especially with the current Barcelona squad which can be said to be perfect, it's a bad thing if Barcelona doesn't get a single trophy
this season. If Barcelona fail to win a trophy this season, what you fear will indeed happen, it could worsen Barcelona's financial condition. I hope
Xavi can do his best for Barcelona, because everything really depends on how Xavi uses the star players that Barcelona currently has.

From the start of this season it has become a gamble for Barcelona because indeed they are in the middle of a crisis but still dare to change players and bring in lots of players to fill the void as Xavi wants.
They have to work really hard now to bring their financial returns and this is obviously a risky bet and a lot of pressure actually, but once they get past this it's definitely going to be great for them.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 26, 2022, 04:35:24 AM

These two teams do have good strategic analysis and very supportive strength so it is very difficult to beat, unfortunately these two big teams will soon meet in the match in October next month, so this will be a very interesting match and of course when watching live on the field live will create a thrilling atmosphere.

Instead I am looking forward to this big game, because I will see who is the best among them at the moment. Actually I am more focused on Barcelona, because the components are different now than before. Whereas Real Madrid as we know they have hardly made any changes to the squad. Both are in a positive trend now that will add to the surprise in this match.

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Quote from: Razmirraz on September 26, 2022, 06:17:50 AM

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If Messi eventually comes to Barcelona back that means Barcelona has finally gotten a complete squad. If xavi succeds in bringing Messi that means it so certain for Barcelona to win the Laliga title and also to win the Champions League. Messi's was so used to Barcelona, Messi and lewandowski will be a good combination.

Not necessarily, the return of Messi in the Barcelona squad does not guarantee Barcelona can win the La Liga title and the Champions League at the same time. Messi can help improve the quality of Barcelona game, his quality as a reliable goalscorer cannot be doubted, he can also spoil Barcelona attackers with perfect passes.
Speaking of titles, Messi has won so many titles with Barcelona, but there is no guarantee that Barcelona can immediately get a title if Messi is back in the Barcelona squad.

I agree with you. There is no doubt that Messi is a great player. But it cannot be guaranteed that Barcelona will actually win the title at Barcelona. Continuity of performance is definitely needed to win the title and I would say a bit of luck too.
However, Barcelona's current squad is very strong. If they can maintain consistency they can win the title. Defenders, midfielders and forwards are all performing well now. Now they need a strong match strategy. I see Barcelona as the favourites for the Champions League and La Liga titles this season.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 26, 2022, 04:35:24 AM

Quote from: Fesatmas on September 26, 2022, 03:30:18 AM

There are two teams that can still keep them from losing, and these two teams are teams that are used to competing for the title, Real Madrid and Barcelona. This is something we have seen in the La Liga table for a long time. But now it's back with new colors from Barcelona especially. This is good news for Barcelona fans, but not for Real Madrid. Because now they will not be as comfortable as last season when they managed to become champions.

These two teams do have good strategic analysis and very supportive strength so it is very difficult to beat, unfortunately these two big teams will soon meet in the match in October next month, so this will be a very interesting match and of course when watching live on the field live will create a thrilling atmosphere.

The both teams are very strong, it is very difficult to tell of the particular team that will be the winner. This match will tell which team is the strongest team in laliga this season. It won't be easy for Real Madrid for sometime Real Madrid has never faced a team that has the same strength.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on September 26, 2022, 01:40:19 AM

If Messi eventually comes to Barcelona back that means Barcelona has finally gotten a complete squad. If xavi succeds in bringing Messi that means it so certain for Barcelona to win the Laliga title and also to win the Champions League. Messi's was so used to Barcelona, Messi and lewandowski will be a good combination.

Not necessarily, the return of Messi in the Barcelona squad does not guarantee Barcelona can win the La Liga title and the Champions League at the same time. Messi can help improve the quality of Barcelona game, his quality as a reliable goalscorer cannot be doubted, he can also spoil Barcelona attackers with perfect passes.
Speaking of titles, Messi has won so many titles with Barcelona, but there is no guarantee that Barcelona can immediately get a title if Messi is back in the Barcelona squad.

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Quote from: mamesso on September 24, 2022, 11:27:13 PM

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Quote from: Sirait on September 23, 2022, 06:17:44 PM

I don't carelessly post here, I read news about injured Barca players here;
https://www.malaymail.com/news/sports/2022/09/23/barca-duo-kounde-and-depay-suffer-injuries-in-nations-league/29780
in this article what is called the "FIFA virus". and we know that kounde has become one of barca's mainstays in the back line, he is a defender that xavi really needs in the el Clasico match later.

But losing Kounde isn't a very big problem for Barcelona, they still have Piqué, Eric García, and Christensen. I think Piqué-Christensen will be a good duo for the center-defenders in the upcoming El Classico. About Depay's injury, it won't impact anything for Barcelona attacking line since the main CF is Lewandowski. Depay is only a substitution player on Barcelona squad now, the absence of Depay shouldn't be a serious problem. You don't need to be so worried because most of Barcelona key players are still availbale.

In addition to Kounde who suffered an injury while defending his country, Barcelona also confirmed that Ronald Araujo also suffered a thigh injury, this condition is increasingly difficult for Barcelona because these two players have always been Xavi's choice to strengthen the Barcelona back line. Although Barcelona still have Pique, Eric Garcia and Christensen who can replace Kounde and Araujo, this condition remains a disaster for Barcelona because El Clasico is only three weeks away.
Depay's injury did not bother Xavi too much, because he was not the first choice in the Barcelona squad. De Jong also has problems with his legs, Xavi still has a strong midfielder in his squad. Franck Kessie, Sergio Busquets, Pedri, Sergi Roberto and Gavi who can be relied on in every match.

There is already a lot of uncertainty surrounding the defense of Barcelona. In addition, all these injuries are not going to help at all in any way. Barca is going to face a lot of problems in the defense with Koundé and Ara'jo out with injuries.

In my opinion, Pique can no longer be trusted with the defense anymore, he is very old and he does not have the pace required to play at a high level. From the beginning of this season, the defense of the team was already weak. In the area of attacking and midfield, I believe Barcelona have an excellent backup plan. It seems to me that they are going to have some real problems in the defensive lineup as a result of all these injuries.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on September 26, 2022, 03:30:18 AM

There are two teams that can still keep them from losing, and these two teams are teams that are used to competing for the title, Real Madrid and Barcelona. This is something we have seen in the La Liga table for a long time. But now it's back with new colors from Barcelona especially. This is good news for Barcelona fans, but not for Real Madrid. Because now they will not be as comfortable as last season when they managed to become champions.

These two teams do have good strategic analysis and very supportive strength so it is very difficult to beat, unfortunately these two big teams will soon meet in the match in October next month, so this will be a very interesting match and of course when watching live on the field live will create a thrilling atmosphere.

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Quote from: visionE2 on September 26, 2022, 02:55:45 AM

why Xavi and Laporta want Messi to return to Barca Because Barca currently have a deadly target like Lewandowski and now Barca are just waiting for Messi to fill the position of playmaker who organizes attacks and provides assists. How terrible it would be if Messi was at Barca this season as a playmaker and assist provider for Lewandowski. Of course this will be a threat to opponents in the league and in the UCL.

It would be a perfect duo at Barcelona if Messi was brought back to Barcelona by Xavi and Laporta. Because it is clearly a threat to all teams in La Liga and also in the UCL, because when two great players are in one team then they are able to work together to win games to make the team stronger. Of course it won't be difficult and Barcelona will be seen as a dangerous opponent by all the other teams.

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Xavi has already told Barcelona officials about his desire to bring Messi back to Barcelona, of course Xavi wish can be fulfilled because Messi and Barcelona have a good history of relationship and the closeness of Xavi and Messi is much more than just friends. I think there is no reason for Messi to refuse an offer from Xavi because the closeness of the two Barcelona legends is very close, can't imagine if Messi and Lewandowski are a duo in Barcelona front line. Obviously this will be the initial turning point of Barcelona success with Xavi.

It should have been a big wish from Xavi, but the problem is that Messi cannot return to Barcelona easily because Barcelona's financial condition is not good. Perhaps Messi can consider several scenarios if he wants to return to Barcelona and that is on a free transfer from PSG and accept a lower pay cut.

Yes, thinking about that scenario is possible for Messi to do if he wants to return to Barcelona, but he has to wait until his contract with PSG expires at the end of the season. I think Messi is safe to return to Barcelona next season, but that's just an uncertain hope.

even if it happens I don't think Messi can contribute as much to Barcelona as he has done before.
Messi is now 35 years old, of course, stamina and performance are very influential because of his old age.
the desire to return to bring Messi is inseparable from what he has done before for Barcelona.

but if you see Messi's performance which continues to decline with PSG, it is not impossible that Messi will return to the club that has raised his name Barcelona to give several seasons before deciding to retire.

Yeah, Messi is way too old for any meaningful contribution to Barcelona. He parts away with Barcelona under a good term, now if he comes back and things get worst, that image would break all the goodwill between him and Barcelona. Let him end his career as a hero, don't talk about bringing him back when he isn't in his top form anymore.
For Messi, after he can't keep up with PSG anymore, I say he either retires or back to Argentina and play for the local League there.

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There are two teams that can still keep them from losing, and these two teams are teams that are used to competing for the title, Real Madrid and Barcelona. This is something we have seen in the La Liga table for a long time. But now it's back with new colors from Barcelona especially. This is good news for Barcelona fans, but not for Real Madrid. Because now they will not be as comfortable as last season when they managed to become champions.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on September 26, 2022, 01:00:04 AM

I think the reason that made De Jong want to stay at Barcelona isn't that Barcelona still owes him, but because he really just wanted to play for Barcelona and he has high loyalty to Barcelona. So most likely he would be willing if his salary was cut. We all know that De Jong turned down offers from Man United and Chelsea which both teams are even willing to pay off Barcelona's arrears to him but De Jong still insists on not leaving Barcelona. I think if Barcelona had a solution to their financial crisis then they wouldn't have let De Jong go.

True, as we have known before, and to this day de jong is still wearing a barcelona costume rather than accepting an offer from manchester united or chelsea.
Regarding the salary-related issue, some news reports from both sides have agreed. negotiations between the Barcelona management and De Jong have already been held. now, both parties only need to formalize the agreement with various conditions set out in the new clause.

IMO, if referring to what you said.
I believe that De Jong's loyalty cannot be separated from Xavi's role, when the transfer saga of De Jong surfaced, Xavi was very intense in talking to De Jong. he often discusses with de jong regarding current conditions.
because xavi still needed the services of de jong, in the end de jong agreed to cut his salary and until now de jong is still wearing the barcelona costume.

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