La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4433.

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Quote from: slaman29 on December 04, 2019, 04:51:21 AM

I love Messi, because he is Barca and Barca is Messi. But even I think VVD should have won the award this time, because those types of seasons come once in a lifetime for most footballers. But does Messi deserve it? Anyone in top 5 probably deserves it. Anyone nominated probably does.

But we all know it is a silly popularity contest in the end. Ronaldo has a fading star and Messi admitted himself at the awards he knows his time is coming. So let us all enjoy these guys while we still can. And forget that they also get these awards that mean something and also mean nothing.

I couldn't agree any less with you, Of course VVD was phenomenal last season, but in all its entirety Messi performance was equally has incredible to say the least, but the truth is that Messi and Ronaldo have both raised the bar so high that performance like that of Messi during the last season is seen as the norm for both players, but If an average players does that, the praises for them will be next to none.
Both Messi and Ronaldo are becoming victims of their own performance.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2019, 05:15:00 AM

I think Messi deserved it this year and now he has 6 Golden Ball titles in his career.This year he has scored 32 goals so far with Barcelona which is a very good number of goals and not only this but he has also given many assists to his friends this year,a performance which is a great one.I think even Christiano agrees to this.

Considering the fact that the only opponent of Messi was Ronaldo then yes it was very well deserved.
I want to see new players competing for the Golden Ball. There are 11 years that only Messi and Ronaldo gets rewarded. Young talents should be rewarded as well in order to keep them motivated to continue playing with top performance.

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Quote from: narcopop on December 05, 2019, 07:32:32 AM

Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2019, 05:15:00 AM

I think Messi deserved it this year and now he has 6 Golden Ball titles in his career.This year he has scored 32 goals so far with Barcelona which is a very good number of goals and not only this but he has also given many assists to his friends this year,a performance which is a great one.I think even Christiano agrees to this.

I don't want to repeat myself but Leo did everything to win it. Just watch highlights from the games that were his biggest flops this year. Semifinals against Liverpool in UCL and Brazil in Copa America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6uuun5tdyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7TcAqpZSs

He really played in his own, beautiful, amazing manner. Made his teammates better, made his teams better, made the matches themselves better. He didn't win? He's not the only player on the pitch, not to mention coaches (Barcelona) or referees (Brazil).

Maybe if Cristiano led Portugal to at least semis in last year's World Cup, historical justice would had been done. They both deserve as much praise and awards as possible. They led football itself at the unbelievable level for more than a decade. Mark my words that it's practically impossible that the world of football would see something similar and similarly amazing. At least in our lifetimes.

Messi was phenomenal this year and with no Ronaldo to challenge him in La Liga it was but obvious that Messi would be winning it this year. Also it’s pertinent to note that had Ronaldo had a more productive season with Juventus and Portugal things would have been very different but then again for one reason or anotherother he was unable to play to his full potential. However next season I’m sure an wounded Ronaldo will try to do his best to win it back from Messi don’t you’ll think.

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Quote from: narcopop on December 05, 2019, 07:32:32 AM

Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2019, 05:15:00 AM

I think Messi deserved it this year and now he has 6 Golden Ball titles in his career.This year he has scored 32 goals so far with Barcelona which is a very good number of goals and not only this but he has also given many assists to his friends this year,a performance which is a great one.I think even Christiano agrees to this.

I don't want to repeat myself but Leo did everything to win it. Just watch highlights from the games that were his biggest flops this year. Semifinals against Liverpool in UCL and Brazil in Copa America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6uuun5tdyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7TcAqpZSs

He really played in his own, beautiful, amazing manner. Made his teammates better, made his teams better, made the matches themselves better. He didn't win? He's not the only player on the pitch, not to mention coaches (Barcelona) or referees (Brazil).

Maybe if Cristiano led Portugal to at least semis in last year's World Cup, historical justice would had been done. They both deserve as much praise and awards as possible. They led football itself at the unbelievable level for more than a decade. Mark my words that it's practically impossible that the world of football would see something similar and similarly amazing. At least in our lifetimes.

Thank you for reminding me of that game. It was an outrage that the game with this stake, with these two teams, at this level were forced to play at the parody of the pitch on that day. Sad and scandalous.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 04, 2019, 05:15:00 AM

I think Messi deserved it this year and now he has 6 Golden Ball titles in his career.This year he has scored 32 goals so far with Barcelona which is a very good number of goals and not only this but he has also given many assists to his friends this year,a performance which is a great one.I think even Christiano agrees to this.

I don't want to repeat myself but Leo did everything to win it. Just watch highlights from the games that were his biggest flops this year. Semifinals against Liverpool in UCL and Brazil in Copa America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6uuun5tdyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n7TcAqpZSs

He really played in his own, beautiful, amazing manner. Made his teammates better, made his teams better, made the matches themselves better. He didn't win? He's not the only player on the pitch, not to mention coaches (Barcelona) or referees (Brazil).

Maybe if Cristiano led Portugal to at least semis in last year's World Cup, historical justice would had been done. They both deserve as much praise and awards as possible. They led football itself at the unbelievable level for more than a decade. Mark my words that it's practically impossible that the world of football would see something similar and similarly amazing. At least in our lifetimes.

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I think Messi deserved it this year and now he has 6 Golden Ball titles in his career.This year he has scored 32 goals so far with Barcelona which is a very good number of goals and not only this but he has also given many assists to his friends this year,a performance which is a great one.I think even Christiano agrees to this.

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I love Messi, because he is Barca and Barca is Messi. But even I think VVD should have won the award this time, because those types of seasons come once in a lifetime for most footballers. But does Messi deserve it? Anyone in top 5 probably deserves it. Anyone nominated probably does.

But we all know it is a silly popularity contest in the end. Ronaldo has a fading star and Messi admitted himself at the awards he knows his time is coming. So let us all enjoy these guys while we still can. And forget that they also get these awards that mean something and also mean nothing.

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Like always, Golden Ball award provoke lot of discussions.
It's obvious that Messi had another amazing season with so many goals and assists. But his teams (Barca and Argentina failed again in major competition. But this trophy is more about individual performance.
Van Dijk had amazing season and it might be his only chance in life to win this trophy. He is in similar situation like Iniesta or Robben - other players becames underrated in comparison with Messi and Ronaldo.
@Naida_BR, discussion who is better, Ronaldo or Messi can be endless. Ok, Messi don't have trophy with national team, it's strong argument. But c'mon, this guy break almost every possible record, scores +30 goals every season. Do he have to do this on rainy cold night in Stoke to become best?
But this year it's not worth to talk about Ronaldo much, it's enough to look at his stats in Serie A

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Quote from: el kaka22 on December 03, 2019, 09:58:02 AM

People always think Messi is just a system player and he is only good in Barcelona and have been saying that for years now. Messi is a great player wherever he plays but if you do not put players at the same level around him then he can't do anything, it is a 11 player game and if you do not have 10 decent players on the field then Messi alone is not enough. This all comes from how Argentina has been unsuccessful with Messi so far and people only saw Messi with Argentina except Barcelona, so they say Messi is only good with one system.

Nobody realizes that Messi has managed to break almost every important record for a La Liga player with so many different teammates and different coaches as well. Thankfully he plays good enough even at his old age to prove haters how much they are wrong.

It is not what people say - it is what he shows all those years when he plays with Argentina.
Ronaldo is more complete player and better than Messi. See what he can do with Portugal - a team with medium quality players (compared to those that Barcelona and Real have).

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People always think Messi is just a system player and he is only good in Barcelona and have been saying that for years now. Messi is a great player wherever he plays but if you do not put players at the same level around him then he can't do anything, it is a 11 player game and if you do not have 10 decent players on the field then Messi alone is not enough. This all comes from how Argentina has been unsuccessful with Messi so far and people only saw Messi with Argentina except Barcelona, so they say Messi is only good with one system.

Nobody realizes that Messi has managed to break almost every important record for a La Liga player with so many different teammates and different coaches as well. Thankfully he plays good enough even at his old age to prove haters how much they are wrong.

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Quote from: joniboini on December 03, 2019, 06:54:59 AM

Quote from: yoseph on December 03, 2019, 06:42:12 AM

Messi needed just a single moment to change the game completely, he really deserves to be crowned the 2019 Ballon D'or winner because of magical moments like this.

It is not magical. Lots of players are doing the same thing for their team. Scoring in the 90th minute every now and then. By this standard, then they should win Ballon D'or too then.

Not saying Messi didn't deserve it, but lots of players can achieve the same thing. No need to glorify him too much.

Messi had cowardly Valverde as his coach. That's what gives gives him one more rival than in the case of other top players. And it practically end the case.

Barca would have won a triple with other coach but wouldn't have won anything without Messi as well. That's for sure.

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Quote from: yoseph on December 03, 2019, 06:42:12 AM

Messi needed just a single moment to change the game completely, he really deserves to be crowned the 2019 Ballon D'or winner because of magical moments like this.

It is not magical. Lots of players are doing the same thing for their team. Scoring in the 90th minute every now and then. By this standard, then they should win Ballon D'or too then.

Not saying Messi didn't deserve it, but lots of players can achieve the same thing. No need to glorify him too much.

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Quote from: uray on December 02, 2019, 11:03:02 AM

Quote from: skiorf on November 30, 2019, 10:03:11 AM

I say that for a reason, I am a supporter of Real Madrid.
Messi can only play well in Barcelona right? not in another Club.

Messi is a prized possession and no team will let him go unless he wants to leave the club and Messi is really comfortable with the club and even yesterday we saw a magic from the legend to win the match against Atletico Madrid in the 86th minute and a player of his caliber will always perform in any continent.

Messi needed just a single moment to change the game completely, he really deserves to be crowned the 2019 Ballon D'or winner because of magical moments like this. Atletico Madrid had their chances into the game but their inability to convert it mainly due to Ter Stegen brilliance made them loss the game.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on December 02, 2019, 08:01:53 AM

Quote from: EdenHazard on December 02, 2019, 02:30:04 AM

I was eyeing a goalless game under 0.5 goals @9.5 which you know... 4 minutes till the normal 90 minutes time messi broke my hope.

There's only been one goaless draw out of the last 20 games between both teams in the league. Odds were totally against you, specially with boths teams hungry for a win last night. But I know the feeling of losing a bet with such odds just minutes before the final whistle...Devastating, but you'll get it next time (:

That's why I'm chasing the goalless bet Grin

, it's simply because that statistics .

The same way I'm chasing liverpool to lose in their current unbeaten campaign Wink

. Must be worth it in the end.
I think I get used to lose bets in last minutes , la liga never fails to make me in profit with its huge odds provided Grin

Real madrid away against valencia next would be my highest profit target before the end of the year , got some formulas to go allin once in a year Grin

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Quote from: skiorf on November 30, 2019, 10:03:11 AM

I say that for a reason, I am a supporter of Real Madrid.
Messi can only play well in Barcelona right? not in another Club.

Messi is a prized possession and no team will let him go unless he wants to leave the club and Messi is really comfortable with the club and even yesterday we saw a magic from the legend to win the match against Atletico Madrid in the 86th minute and a player of his caliber will always perform in any continent.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 01, 2019, 05:08:40 PM

What a game it was. Maybe we haven't saw many great attempts to score, but it was very interesting match. Maybe 0:0 would fit better for this game, but thanks god we have Messi - he earned another very important win for us. Ter Stegen amazing saves is also worth to mention.
Speaking about other games, I'm surprised that Getafe humiliated Levante 4:0. I thought it's more or less equal level teams.
And Espanyol is pathetic this season. They had no chance against Osasuna today.

Good for Barcelona that they didn't lose any points from this away game and they keep following Real on the league table.
They are very strong and I believe that Messi is on an amazing form.

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Quote from: Harkorede on December 01, 2019, 02:48:46 PM

I'll go with a 1 - 0 victory for Barcelona.

At least I won a bet for today, and It made up for up to 80% my initial losses for today.

Was it ML or correct score? Either way, nice win, you should thank Ter Stegen and Messi, both have been carrying Valverde and the rest of the squad for pretty much the whole season so far.

Quote from: EdenHazard on December 02, 2019, 02:30:04 AM

I was eyeing a goalless game under 0.5 goals @9.5 which you know... 4 minutes till the normal 90 minutes time messi broke my hope.

There's only been one goaless draw out of the last 20 games between both teams in the league. Odds were totally against you, specially with boths teams hungry for a win last night. But I know the feeling of losing a bet with such odds just minutes before the final whistle...Devastating, but you'll get it next time (:

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Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 03:35:20 AM

I am sorry for you but that is gambling some people win some other lose.I also think that Real Madrid has not the quality players to go away even with one point from Camp Nou.Barcelona has a better quality team in general over Real Madrid this year and most probably they will be Champions of La Liga not only in the end of 2019 but I think also in end of May 2020.

I wondering if Barcelona could humiliate real madrid again at camp nou by 4 goals winning margin Grin

, I'll try to go for handicap -2.5 for Barcelona later in the el classico day if only bookies provide a really good odds , should be worth it.
With eden hazard will be still missed at least till the next 9 days .. it's doubtful for him to get in the field few days only before the el classico held at 19.

Tough fixtures for real madrid:

12/7 against espanyol
12/12 against club brugge
12/16 against Valencia
12/19 against Barcelona

12 days 4 important games. 2 big games. Madrid might will sacrifice the champions league match as they qualified already , nothing to chase there as they can't avoid to finish at the second.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on December 02, 2019, 02:30:04 AM

Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 01:48:34 AM

Yesterday after losing a lot of tickets with Premier League teams I decided to go big and bet on Barcelona to win so I am very happy with their victory last night.I was expecting them to win if they want to continue to fight for the title and yesterday was a really difficult game.I paired them with Roma from Serie A and won the ticket with odd just over 5.

Not everyone are happy , unfortunately for me who love to bet against the bookies, this is not a good result.

I was eyeing a goalless game under 0.5 goals @9.5 which you know... 4 minutes till the normal 90 minutes time messi broke my hope.
I placed bet for over 5.5 goals too @18 to anticipate something crazy happened but yeah looks like it's just wasn't my day.
Barcelona at the top now as they win the goal difference over madrid, it's +1 exactly.
With 3 laliga matches left to play in 2019 and el classico in 19 dec , anything can still happened to decide who will end at the top by the end this year.
I guess Madrid won't make it as the el classico played at the camp nou.

I am sorry for you but that is gambling some people win some other lose.I also think that Real Madrid has not the quality players to go away even with one point from Camp Nou.Barcelona has a better quality team in general over Real Madrid this year and most probably they will be Champions of La Liga not only in the end of 2019 but I think also in end of May 2020.

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Quote from: swogerino on December 02, 2019, 01:48:34 AM

Yesterday after losing a lot of tickets with Premier League teams I decided to go big and bet on Barcelona to win so I am very happy with their victory last night.I was expecting them to win if they want to continue to fight for the title and yesterday was a really difficult game.I paired them with Roma from Serie A and won the ticket with odd just over 5.

Not everyone are happy , unfortunately for me who love to bet against the bookies, this is not a good result.

I was eyeing a goalless game under 0.5 goals @9.5 which you know... 4 minutes till the normal 90 minutes time messi broke my hope.
I placed bet for over 5.5 goals too @18 to anticipate something crazy happened but yeah looks like it's just wasn't my day.
Barcelona at the top now as they win the goal difference over madrid, it's +1 exactly.
With 3 laliga matches left to play in 2019 and el classico in 19 dec , anything can still happened to decide who will end at the top by the end this year.
I guess Madrid won't make it as the el classico played at the camp nou.

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