La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 626.

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Quote from: FanEagle on July 31, 2024, 02:10:22 PM

While some of the players in City vs Barça game were starter level, most of them weren't and we can't make a guess based on this game at all, for neither teams. We need to consider how we could make sure that we can make predictions based on the games that actually matter not these.

Barcelona is a far worse team than Manchester City and everyone knows this, like if they face each other in UCL quarter finals or something, do you have a doubt about City winning that? I have zero doubt that City would be able to win easily without a trouble. This is just a friendly and I can see at least 7 players that may not play during the season, from both sides combined.

So this was just fitness check and nothing more, plus this also makes them money too, friendlies are not free tickets, people still pay tickets for this and I think it is quite nice to see something like this, allows people to have a better chance and a greater result, also means merch deals as well, like getting jerseys or whatever for people who go to these games. So this was just for the money and fitness, nothing more was intended for this game and do not make any predictions based on the 2-2 tie result and predict anything about the season.

In essence, Barcelona and Man City in yesterday's match were not serious matches for both teams who wanted to try to play some second-tier players or even young players who would be considered if their performance was very competitive. Like some teams that appeared in this friendly match always used the young players they had and when there was one young player who had good talent, later it would be seen and developed by the coach to be made a second-tier player.

Barcelona, who currently still needs a lot of quality players, will certainly always try the young players they have to get players like Lamine Yamal who can be a wonderkid.

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While some of the players in City vs Barça game were starter level, most of them weren't and we can't make a guess based on this game at all, for neither teams. We need to consider how we could make sure that we can make predictions based on the games that actually matter not these.

Barcelona is a far worse team than Manchester City and everyone knows this, like if they face each other in UCL quarter finals or something, do you have a doubt about City winning that? I have zero doubt that City would be able to win easily without a trouble. This is just a friendly and I can see at least 7 players that may not play during the season, from both sides combined.

So this was just fitness check and nothing more, plus this also makes them money too, friendlies are not free tickets, people still pay tickets for this and I think it is quite nice to see something like this, allows people to have a better chance and a greater result, also means merch deals as well, like getting jerseys or whatever for people who go to these games. So this was just for the money and fitness, nothing more was intended for this game and do not make any predictions based on the 2-2 tie result and predict anything about the season.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on July 31, 2024, 06:19:35 AM

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I think Nico Williams has officially become a Barcelona player. Because there are many rumored images circulating on the internet. It turns out that I was wrong, Nico Williams still seems to be in doubt. There is news that Nico Williams still wants to be with the Atlhetic Club for one more year. Reportedly, Barcelona has also given a warning for him, if he is not willing, Barcelona will not proceed with his purchase again. I don't understand if this is Barcelona's business strategy or indeed he will still stay at the Athletic club.

Nico Williams is acting in a great class whereas he stays at Athletic Club. Though he could be playing anywhere, this child has skill and is choosing to stay where he is comfortable, where he is growing. In this sport, we really need more of that kind of loyalty and concentration. Barcelona says they wont be interested next year; thats simply tough talk. They're trying to pressure the kid, but Nico's not playing that game. A winner makes decisions; he is doing so now.

This tells all the young players out there not to hurry things, to take their time, to grow their abilities. And to the major teams: you cannot harass athletes today. The game is evolving, and its about time players began dictating the moves.

I had doubts that Nicole Williams will just jump to Barcelona without thinking twice of the club Bilbao that notured and brought him to the lime light, that would have been too harsh. Barcelona cannot threaten Nicole Williams of not signing him next season if he refuses to come to Barca because he still has a club that cares for him and he is loyal to them.

However, Nicole has his elder brother in Bilbao Nyaki Williams who will always advice him to the right thing to do, and I believe that his elder brother will be the reason why he still wants to play in Bilbao for one more season before leaving. Blood is thicker than water.

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Quote from: Inwestour on July 31, 2024, 08:14:22 AM

It is too early to judge how much Barcelona have improved under Flick, or not, a few friendly matches are not enough to judge a team, especially when Flick makes a complete change of lineup during the match, as he did in the match against City. When I saw the starting lineups, I did not expect the match to end in a draw, but judging by the results of the friendly matches, it is clear that they do not matter to Guardiola, the most important thing is to check all the players and understand who is better prepared for the new season.

On Barcelona's side, Flick tried to field their young players. Clearly this match is very important for Barcelona, not a matter of how they can win the match. However, looking for players who are worthy as alternative options in his squad ahead of the campaign begins. In addition, Flick implemented a system that he always applies. Different from Barcelona's usual style, as well as the system that Xavi developed. Under Hansi Flick's tutelage, Barcelona can appear different with Flick's chirikas. Although this match does not have a big impact on which team wins the match, it has added value for Barcelona in the midst of its current condition. For example, they try young talents to show their abilities. Plus, Flick is also experimenting with his system. Because, Barcelona is a team that he has just managed. So, there is something important for Hansi Flick in the friendly match played by his team.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on July 31, 2024, 07:02:02 AM

Both of Real Madrid's teams in the example are playing for the championship. It is necessary for Barcelona to make player additions this year. They have not yet transferred a player that will take them to the next level. Maybe Nico Williams could be one of them, but his transfer is still uncertain. Barcelona is a quality team, but they are very weak next to Real Madrid. In fact, they are a bit unlucky because Real Madrid has become very strong.

The way they played against Manchester City in the friendly match doesn't looks like a weak team. Flick might has its own style of playing and the same players can still be optimized for high yield performance and everything will still be fine. Who knows if Flick accept the job to used the already established players Xavi used last season, the club doesn't looks like they are going to get new boys.

However, I think no matter how they play this season, I don't know the magic Barcelona are going to use to play with Real Madrid. Their squad looks to over saturated to compete with, Anceloti is unbothered and they are officially closed for signing new players, that already has show their confidence for this season.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on July 31, 2024, 06:33:16 AM

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Barcelona has many problems especially related to the financial crisis they are facing. But on the other hand Barcelona has many talented young players who will be the foundation of the club in the next few years. I also hope Hansi Flick can make Barcelona better. If Barcelona can't get back to their best performance I don't think there will be another team that can stop Real Madrid's dominance this season. Real Madrid really has a squad that can be said to be the best team in the world. It seems like they want a treble winner this season.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on July 31, 2024, 01:09:01 AM

Barcelona biggest problem is bad management with many wrong decisions taken by President Laporte which hurt this clubs finances --cut--

Unfortunately it is not the first team to suffer from this problem, the decisions made by an owner who acts as a master father ultimately ruin the team, in one way or another. When I don't understand something I ask a competent technician and pay him for it, I will never be able to manage a team alone, which I don't know how to do.

Unfortunately, some presidents fail to understand, and the list of these cases is truly long.

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Quote from: Inwestour on July 31, 2024, 08:14:22 AM

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It is too early to judge how much Barcelona have improved under Flick, or not, a few friendly matches are not enough to judge a team, especially when Flick makes a complete change of lineup during the match, as he did in the match against City. When I saw the starting lineups, I did not expect the match to end in a draw, but judging by the results of the friendly matches, it is clear that they do not matter to Guardiola, the most important thing is to check all the players and understand who is better prepared for the new season.

Pre-season matches are just training or warm-up before the start of an important match, the real assessment can only be determined in an official match. Barcelona young players played very well in this match, but Guardiola troops were not defeated either as the match ended with a score of 2-2. The penalty shootout is only for the deciding factor, if this game is an official match, then both teams will share the points.

Guardiola just smiled after the match ended, there was no expression showing any disappointment, meaning he was not too serious and playing with whatever the result was because he did not consider this match important. The readiness of the players in official matches is much more important for Guardiola, Manchester City remains strong even though they lost in the penalty shootout because most of the players who played were still young. Hansi Flick can immediately assess several young players who have great potential in the future, Pau Victor has managed to impress Hansi Flick with his performance, maybe he will be the player that Flick will launch from La Masia.

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Quote from: Antotena on July 30, 2024, 04:14:29 PM

I'm looking forward to how they are going to utilize Yamal, Xavi didn't used him like he performed in international games but a mixed up of him and Lewandowski will help the forward maintain a good record in many of their matches this season. Flick should also strengthen his hands to the midfield and not just the defenders and lastly a new goal keeper wouldn't be bad. Sometimes, you don't just go far by scoring goals alone, you need a good goalkeeper to help you maintain a clean sheet.

Lamine Yamal reached his 17th birthday on 13 July mean still young enough for having enough responsibility but still we can say Xavi done good job about his future and give him good opportunities for having experience and improved quality in last season when we have Xavi as coach at the Barcelona he was having 37 appearances, so this is enough for player at this age, but now he is turning into good player which can help his team for having better things in the future.

Flick is surely going to improve few departments of his squad because they needed to done things before start of the season otherwise they can face consequences which could be not ideal for them having strong midfield and defense surely going to help them for having better results against the top clubs as they have some problematic end in last season but still uncertainty around this club for having things not as they required is surely going to hurt them again and fans will also feel not good.

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Quote from: asriloni on July 31, 2024, 08:24:41 AM

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3 times in a row Man City underwent a pre-season that was beyond expectations. And Barcelona in that match managed to make Pep Guardiola stressed, how could he not be stressed because Hansi Flick tactics were really effective in overwhelming Man City players. Filled with La Masia players did not make Barcelona perform badly, in fact this shows that Barcelona does not lack quality players, only the financial issue is the biggest obstacle. I know this is a friendly match but if you pay attention to Pep Guardiola's unusual response, it makes us unsure about Man City next season because it could be that EPL clubs have also developed and are ready to give a surprise to Man City next season.

That was a really attractive match, and I watched it full time. Barcelona put lots of its young players in the squad against City, and also, City did the same as Barcelona. I'm not feeling Pep was stressed in that game; instead, Pep tried to guide his youth to play better in that game. The game against Barcelona would teach many of City's young players. Barcelona and Manchester City played well in that friendly match. I know City dominated the game even more than Barcelona.

The stats you mentioned said City was better at ball control and attack. But it hasn't fixed its weak defense. Although City was unable to win the game, they played better than Barcelona. But I must admit, either Barcelona or Manchester City must fix their defensive line.
And last, I strongly disagree with you called pep's response make people unsure of them. Pep's odd response in that game does not relate to Manchester City's EPL performance. City is still the most favored club to win the EPL next season.

Hansi Flick got a sweet result after in their debut match they managed to hold Manchester City to a draw in normal minutes and beat them in the penalty shootout, in that match I saw that both teams actually performed less than optimally, in fact I hope that the coaches of both teams will field a their main squad in that the big match, but in fact after the match started they actually fielded a lot of young players, so it is very difficult for us to assess the performance and strength of the two teams in the official match next season, but if we look at the game of the two teams of course we can judge whether Manchester City game much better than what was shown by Barcelona, so I think Hansi Flick needs to improve their system and game scheme to be even better in next season, even though Manchester City lost their current friendly match, we cannot use this defeat as a reference for their performance next season.

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Quote from: hyudien on July 31, 2024, 08:00:50 AM

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Are you talking about Real's first official match against Atalanta for the UEFA Super Cup? Before that, Real will have some good friendlies against Milan, Barcelona and Chelsea, I think Ancelotti will see what condition the players are in and decide who will get a place in the starting lineup. I think Mbappe should show himself well in these friendlies and preferably score, and the Super Cup will be an opportunity for Mbappe to win a trophy in his first official match, and the UEFA Super Cup will be a very significant trophy, so the motivation for Mbappe will be high.

However, until now there has been no official confirmation from Real Madrid regarding Mbappe debut in the friendly match against Milan, Chelsea or Barcelona. So it is likely that Ancelotti is providing special training with Mbappe or closed training so that the media cannot cover Mbappe training process with Madrid players. Meanwhile, Endrick, who has just arrived, has been seen undergoing training together. This shows that Mbappe is not included in the friendly match plan. It is Ancelotti format in the Super Cup final against Atalanta. In fact, the approach process in this friendly match is important where we want to know how far Mbappe adaptation in Madrid is really suitable.

In my speculation, Ancelotti seems to be keeping Mbappe in all of Real Madrid's friendly matches, most likely to maintain stamina or avoid things that Real Madrid doesn't want such as injuries or from surveillance (Media/Reporters) but it is possible that in the Super Cup later Mbappe can be played if Ancelotti wants Mbappe to be played in the match against Atalanta, at least if they win at least Mbappe will get his first trophy in the Super Cup match later.

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Quote from: bitLeap on July 31, 2024, 07:48:42 AM

3 times in a row Man City underwent a pre-season that was beyond expectations. And Barcelona in that match managed to make Pep Guardiola stressed, how could he not be stressed because Hansi Flick tactics were really effective in overwhelming Man City players. Filled with La Masia players did not make Barcelona perform badly, in fact this shows that Barcelona does not lack quality players, only the financial issue is the biggest obstacle. I know this is a friendly match but if you pay attention to Pep Guardiola's unusual response, it makes us unsure about Man City next season because it could be that EPL clubs have also developed and are ready to give a surprise to Man City next season.

That was a really attractive match, and I watched it full time. Barcelona put lots of its young players in the squad against City, and also, City did the same as Barcelona. I'm not feeling Pep was stressed in that game; instead, Pep tried to guide his youth to play better in that game. The game against Barcelona would teach many of City's young players. Barcelona and Manchester City played well in that friendly match. I know City dominated the game even more than Barcelona.

The stats you mentioned said City was better at ball control and attack. But it hasn't fixed its weak defense. Although City was unable to win the game, they played better than Barcelona. But I must admit, either Barcelona or Manchester City must fix their defensive line.
And last, I strongly disagree with you called pep's response make people unsure of them. Pep's odd response in that game does not relate to Manchester City's EPL performance. City is still the most favored club to win the EPL next season.

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This is the estimated starting line up for Real Madrid when facing Milan later and it seems right if Don Carlo wants to try a new attacking trio as a solution if later his main players experience underperformance. Something new we will see with Endrick, Brahim, and Arda Guler in the same line and this allows Real Madrid to have more attack variations with these players. In addition, it seems that so many main players did not participate in the first pre-season match and maybe they will follow in the next meeting during the El Clasico pre-season against Barcelona later.

On the other hand, Don Carlo also brought several academy players to participate in this pre-season match and one of the players who caught my attention was Joan Martinez. He is a center back and considering Real Madrid did not shop for a new defender this summer so he could be the right solution for an emergency later. Joan Martinez with his style reminds us of Sergio Ramos when he was young and I hope he can give a good performance with the senior squad so that later he can add to his experience.

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Congratulations to Barcelona who managed to win today's match against Manchester City through a penalty shootout and the score became 6:3, it was extraordinary when Pep Guardiola played his best squad, it turned out they still lost badly in this trial match, with this result I think Barcelona's condition has improved, they seem ready to start the new season with a big challenge against elite clubs, even facing Real Madrid.

Talking about tomorrow Real Madrid will play against AC Milan, I will support Real Madrid in this match, I think Ancelotti did not play his best squad because without the main squad Real Madrid is also strong, I don't thinking Milan is weak, it's just that their performance is difficult to predict.

I also believe that Barcelona performance has improved under Flick after their penalty shootout victory over Manchester City. Barcelona performance against Manchester City was quite impressive, as they led in ball possession throughout the game. I don't think it's right to assume that since Barcelona was able to compete with Manchester City in the pre-season game they'll be able to compete with Real Madrid and other top clubs next season. Let's wait until the season starts and see how Barcelona continues to win.

Real Madrid, on the other hand, is the favorite to win tomorrow's game against Milan because they are a team that we cannot underestimate, as shown by their performance last season when they defeated several teams in La Liga with second-tier players. Despite the fact that Real Madrid's odds are quite high, I will bet on them to win tomorrow's match against Milan.

It is too early to judge how much Barcelona have improved under Flick, or not, a few friendly matches are not enough to judge a team, especially when Flick makes a complete change of lineup during the match, as he did in the match against City. When I saw the starting lineups, I did not expect the match to end in a draw, but judging by the results of the friendly matches, it is clear that they do not matter to Guardiola, the most important thing is to check all the players and understand who is better prepared for the new season.

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Quote from: klidex on July 26, 2024, 10:26:13 PM

Girona is a La Liga club that performed impressively last season and managed to finish in 3rd place after Real Madrid and Barcelona and that was an extraordinary achievement for Girona, will he continue his impressive performance next season? and for the first time he got a ticket to play in the Champions League where he will face other top clubs but I'm not sure this club can go further because they don't have experience playing in this big league.

Btw Girona will play a pre-season match today with Espanyol, a club that has just returned to La Liga.
Espanyol is a club that was relegated in the 2022/23 season, they played 1 season in the Segunda Division and next season they will play in the La Liga again.

The match between RCD Espanyol de Barcelona and Girona FC football teams was ended without any result. Both teams gave their hundred percent to do the goal but no team could goal in this match and both teams got 1 -1 points. But that match should be decisionable but we didn't watch excellent performance in the match by any player. Players were performing according to their capacity but their capacity was low due to which no team was dominant in this match. Both team players exchange the ball for many times but we found no result. I think in next matches both teams will prepare well because that is disrespect of both team became they played two halves but no goal.

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Quote from: Inwestour on July 29, 2024, 03:01:31 AM

Quote from: hyudien on July 29, 2024, 02:29:15 AM

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Are you talking about Real's first official match against Atalanta for the UEFA Super Cup? Before that, Real will have some good friendlies against Milan, Barcelona and Chelsea, I think Ancelotti will see what condition the players are in and decide who will get a place in the starting lineup. I think Mbappe should show himself well in these friendlies and preferably score, and the Super Cup will be an opportunity for Mbappe to win a trophy in his first official match, and the UEFA Super Cup will be a very significant trophy, so the motivation for Mbappe will be high.

However, until now there has been no official confirmation from Real Madrid regarding Mbappe debut in the friendly match against Milan, Chelsea or Barcelona. So it is likely that Ancelotti is providing special training with Mbappe or closed training so that the media cannot cover Mbappe training process with Madrid players. Meanwhile, Endrick, who has just arrived, has been seen undergoing training together. This shows that Mbappe is not included in the friendly match plan. It is Ancelotti format in the Super Cup final against Atalanta. In fact, the approach process in this friendly match is important where we want to know how far Mbappe adaptation in Madrid is really suitable.

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3 times in a row Man City underwent a pre-season that was beyond expectations. And Barcelona in that match managed to make Pep Guardiola stressed, how could he not be stressed because Hansi Flick tactics were really effective in overwhelming Man City players. Filled with La Masia players did not make Barcelona perform badly, in fact this shows that Barcelona does not lack quality players, only the financial issue is the biggest obstacle. I know this is a friendly match but if you pay attention to Pep Guardiola's unusual response, it makes us unsure about Man City next season because it could be that EPL clubs have also developed and are ready to give a surprise to Man City next season.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on July 31, 2024, 06:19:35 AM

Nico Williams is acting in a great class whereas he stays at Athletic Club. Though he could be playing anywhere, this child has skill and is choosing to stay where he is comfortable, where he is growing. In this sport, we really need more of that kind of loyalty and concentration. Barcelona says they wont be interested next year; thats simply tough talk. They're trying to pressure the kid, but Nico's not playing that game. A winner makes decisions; he is doing so now.

This tells all the young players out there not to hurry things, to take their time, to grow their abilities. And to the major teams: you cannot harass athletes today. The game is evolving, and its about time players began dictating the moves.

You are right about the recruitment of young players who are in the development stage must remain stable and must not be disturbed. Nico Williams playing with Barcelona sounds ideal but it is not a 100% guarantee because Williams is currently in Bilbao's hands and is being monitored in terms of quality. It is better not to rush and must reflect on Roque who was forced to come to Barcelona but now his fate is unclear and even has the potential to be a victim of a sale. Nico Williams is aware that the competition to the main squad will not be easy, while in Bilbao he has earned that position so for now keep it because quality will not lie to you in the future.

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What has always been Barcelona's main challenge is indeed the club's arch-rival in La Liga, Real Madrid. It is undeniable that this season, Real Madrid has a very convincing squad. If judged on paper, even their back-up lineup is quite extraordinary.

Check out their possible lineup so far before there is another signing for a while.

I'm cool with the image on the right. I'd rather see Kylian Mbappe on the right but since he'll be wanting to score goals, he'll be playing more in the middle as the central forward.
The likes of Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo also would definitely thrive from the both wings, hopefully they don't be selfish amongst themselves, this could be the fastest clubbin history especially when attacking.

As for Jude Bellingham behind the strikers? He is not an attacking midfieder, I'd rather see Luka Modric or Àrda Guler behind them. These are just predictions anyways.
The defense has always been solid, Carlo Ancellotti recently came out to say they won't be expecting any further signatures until next season.

I think we'll be seeing both Alexander Arnold and Alphonso Davies signing up for Real Madrid for a free transfer same strategy with Kylian Mbappe.
Barcelona will thrive this season but they need quality players honestly, otherwise, It'll be another season like the one Xavi Hernandez had last Session/Campaign.

Both of Real Madrid's teams in the example are playing for the championship. It is necessary for Barcelona to make player additions this year. They have not yet transferred a player that will take them to the next level. Maybe Nico Williams could be one of them, but his transfer is still uncertain. Barcelona is a quality team, but they are very weak next to Real Madrid. In fact, they are a bit unlucky because Real Madrid has become very strong.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on July 30, 2024, 05:56:37 PM

What has always been Barcelona's main challenge is indeed the club's arch-rival in La Liga, Real Madrid. It is undeniable that this season, Real Madrid has a very convincing squad. If judged on paper, even their back-up lineup is quite extraordinary.

Check out their possible lineup so far before there is another signing for a while.

I'm cool with the image on the right. I'd rather see Kylian Mbappe on the right but since he'll be wanting to score goals, he'll be playing more in the middle as the central forward.
The likes of Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo also would definitely thrive from the both wings, hopefully they don't be selfish amongst themselves, this could be the fastest clubbin history especially when attacking.

As for Jude Bellingham behind the strikers? He is not an attacking midfieder, I'd rather see Luka Modric or Àrda Guler behind them. These are just predictions anyways.
The defense has always been solid, Carlo Ancellotti recently came out to say they won't be expecting any further signatures until next season.

I think we'll be seeing both Alexander Arnold and Alphonso Davies signing up for Real Madrid for a free transfer same strategy with Kylian Mbappe.
Barcelona will thrive this season but they need quality players honestly, otherwise, It'll be another season like the one Xavi Hernandez had last Session/Campaign.

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