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Topic: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement - page 208. (Read 452224 times)

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In addition to that math (disclosed hashrate projects and difficulty increases) there are big fundamental changes that make people feel different about the potential:
1) people less than 20 shares no longer receive dividends. that is temporary, but such a decision caused a large loss of confidence in management. The shares are worthless without reliable dividends.
2) everyone else has to pay a new fee of a minimum 0.025 per account, perhaps as much as 0.075 per account. again temporary, but investors think it is outrageous and no longer want to be a part of it.
3) transaction fees now have to paid for by investors, and are projected to be 0.0005 per account per week. Small, but investors are losing faith.

Blowing a lot of this out of proportion. Last week was THE ONLY week you'll see a 0.025 fee, and BTC0.0005 is about $0.07.  If you think 7 cents on a transaction up to ~$1000 (approx what the highest bondholder was paid last week) is high.  Go back to PayPal.

EXACTLY! 7 cents on a transaction of 17 cents is insane (a single share)! Is the official policy of LRM that investors only count if you have >$1000 invested? If so, are there plans to merge shares to reduce dust payments?

Another option, see:

Another thing nastyfans does that could be good to emulate: dividends are paid out once a week in one transaction with minimal transaction fees, essentially shared by everyone. Charging every account .0005 for transaction fees is ridiculous when you can make a single transaction with fees a few times bigger than that.
Example:
https://blockchain.info/tx/7c4d0999406c28ca71f67bd6c6b0d73ba75f43a565513b5d54ffe0ce480c7cb1

total fees for 20,000 "shares" and smaller dividends than LRM: 0.0035 BTC. I don't see how .0005 per account per week is at all reasonable when others are doing 0.00000018 per share per week (for a similar number of shares as LRM).
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LabRat are you still in contact with KNCminer ?
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@LabRat : email sent, please confirm.
confirmed, yours and about 84 others.

It's great that you responded anything in this thread, thanks for that.

Are going to make a public list with the assets/addresses confirmed? So we know that you got our mails, signatures, etc.

Do i need to send the mail with verified message only between 22 Oct and 24 Oct or it's OK to send before (i already send, not interested in selling or buying for the moment...)

And LabRat would confirm the reception of the mail (and message validity ) or not ?

I don't want to see my shares lost...

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If you do not verify ownership of your bonds via this method by Thursday, Nov. 7th, your bonds and accrued dividends will be absorbed by LRM.

I'll make a public list as soon as I go through and verify all of them with ones that were successfully or unsuccessfully verified.  I should be able to do this tonight.
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In addition to that math (disclosed hashrate projects and difficulty increases) there are big fundamental changes that make people feel different about the potential:
1) people less than 20 shares no longer receive dividends. that is temporary, but such a decision caused a large loss of confidence in management. The shares are worthless without reliable dividends.
2) everyone else has to pay a new fee of a minimum 0.025 per account, perhaps as much as 0.075 per account. again temporary, but investors think it is outrageous and no longer want to be a part of it.
3) transaction fees now have to paid for by investors, and are projected to be 0.0005 per account per week. Small, but investors are losing faith.

Blowing a lot of this out of proportion. Last week was THE ONLY week you'll see a 0.025 fee, and BTC0.0005 is about $0.07.  If you think 7 cents on a transaction up to ~$1000 (approx what the highest bondholder was paid last week) is high.  Go back to PayPal.
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@LabRat : email sent, please confirm.
confirmed, yours and about 84 others.

It's great that you responded anything in this thread, thanks for that.

Are going to make a public list with the assets/addresses confirmed? So we know that you got our mails, signatures, etc.


Do i need to send the mail with verified message only between 22 Oct and 24 Oct or it's OK to send before (i already send, not interested in selling or buying for the moment...)

And LabRat would confirm the reception of the mail (and message validity ) or not ?

I don't want to see my shares lost...

No, just before Nov 7th, quoted from here:
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If you do not verify ownership of your bonds via this method by Thursday, Nov. 7th, your bonds and accrued dividends will be absorbed by LRM.
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@LabRat : email sent, please confirm.
confirmed, yours and about 84 others.

Yeeesss ^^

Thank you LabRat
(my ulcer is disappearing lol)
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@LabRat : email sent, please confirm.
confirmed, yours and about 84 others.
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One bit of good news is the price of bitcoin is going up with a bit of strength. This will allow for Labrat to buy more hardware with the LRM bitcoins he's been holding. Also, it will give the coins mined from the two weeks withholding - whenever that happens this month - more buying power. So far, about 15% higher bitcoin value. Time will indicate.

Yes, and it's going to be in the next couple days I make payment to BitFury so this helps a lot.
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Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

Just up and deciding that LR would keep people's div-payouts that "aren't invested enough"?  Bullshit.

Can't be bothered to post information like the need to send a signed message TO THE LRM WEBSITE?  Bullshit.

Take ownership of the issue LR.

I'm working on it.  There's still 3 weeks.  I feel that's plenty of time.

To anyone who is waiting to send a signed message to me, you may send it now as I'll be checking the amount of bonds you hold to verify the amount you sent in the signed message once the final asset list is collected.  I'll accept signed messages now.
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We all have to remember that the bitfunder thing was just sprung  on us without any warning. I would rather LR look at all his options and deciding the best way to go rather than to hurry up and say "we are going to do it this way" and then have to change his mind. I agree, the reason the shares took a dive was because of bitfunder shutting down..

Thank you for recognizing this.  I'm working on the best way to get things set up and I believe I've found it.  I'm meeting with Dave in person tomorrow or Friday to work out a deal.

There was a holiday that affected the assembly of units in Asia for BitFury so Dave expects to get some hardware next week from what I've heard.  I'll be getting some of that.  The rest of the deal is not worked out, but more news will come on this.
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"What else do you expect him to do?"

I expect crytal clear communication, not more, not less.

Situation is complex.
Even complex if no or bad communication. (LabRat have a good communication, is a good point)

I'm just worried about email confirmation, nothing more.



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Where's the offical msg about this? I'm not finding it, it should be linked it in the first page.

Here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3337162


"If you do not verify ownership of your bonds via this method by Thursday, Nov. 7th, your bonds and accrued dividends will be absorbed by LRM."
How cool...

Thanks.
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Where's the offical msg about this? I'm not finding it, it should be linked it in the first page.

Here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3337162


"If you do not verify ownership of your bonds via this method by Thursday, Nov. 7th, your bonds and accrued dividends will be absorbed by LRM."
How cool...

What else do you expect him to do? Your investment is YOUR responsibility to watch and maintain. You don't pay a broker to do that for you (Yet).

It's not like Lab Rat said Hey Ukyo, time to shut this thing down so I can weasle some shares out of people.

There's a lot of whining going on in bitcointalk.org land, less understanding of current situations, and even less brain power to come to logical conclusions.

That last statement is a broad one and not directly stated at you fractal, but it's time people took responsibility. Some complaints are valid (Like the Share Fee) but most are just people clawing and scratching at the uncertainty of their unregulated shares/bonds.
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Where's the offical msg about this? I'm not finding it, it should be linked it in the first page.

Here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3337162


"If you do not verify ownership of your bonds via this method by Thursday, Nov. 7th, your bonds and accrued dividends will be absorbed by LRM."
How cool...
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Do i need to send the mail with verified message only between 22 Oct and 24 Oct or it's OK to send before (i already send, not interested in selling or buying for the moment...)

And LabRat would confirm the reception of the mail (and message validity ) or not ?

I don't want to see my shares lost...

Where's the offical msg about this? I'm not finding it, it should be linked it in the first page.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Do i need to send the mail with verified message only between 22 Oct and 24 Oct or it's OK to send before (i already send, not interested in selling or buying for the moment...)

And LabRat would confirm the reception of the mail (and message validity ) or not ?

I don't want to see my shares lost...
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Unless you have reason to think these one or two people selling a lot of shares has insider information, then don't worry about why they are selling.
These events that have happened lately - like Bitfunder - are not changes in the basic fundamentals of Labrat.

what are the fundamentals of LRM? have you seen a balance sheet or income statement?


Of course I'm not thinking about fundamentals in that sense of detail or transparency.  I would assume most of everyone here knew that Labrat wasn't transparent on financial data. I was making the point that there is no special new information about fundamental information - that could affect revenue - that we already know or have been told.

For example: Labrat hasn't changed any projections in the past couple weeks.  Ordered hardware has had no good or bad updates. Difficulty is going up as always expected. Bitcoin is on the incline, but still in the same ball park as it has been for the past month. So..in THAT SENSE.. fundamentals haven't really changed (much). And seeing a lot of selling doesn't mean any of these (or one's we are not aware of) have necessarily changed - which is why I made that comment.

So, if a person was happy about LRM potential, by what they knew a week ago, then I'd say there is no obvious significant changes to cause one to feel any different now about potential. They'd more likely have to form a new different opinion from the same information.

see my post as to the mathematical projections. That math explains that the drop could have happened without btifunder's problems if investors lost faith in LRM.

In addition to that math (disclosed hashrate projects and difficulty increases) there are big fundamental changes that make people feel different about the potential:
1) people less than 20 shares no longer receive dividends. that is temporary, but such a decision caused a large loss of confidence in management. The shares are worthless without reliable dividends.
2) everyone else has to pay a new fee of a minimum 0.025 per account, perhaps as much as 0.075 per account. again temporary, but investors think it is outrageous and no longer want to be a part of it.
3) transaction fees now have to paid for by investors, and are projected to be 0.0005 per account per week. Small, but investors are losing faith.

Since there are no financial disclosures, board of directors, or real assets, this entire security is based on "trust that zach will buy the right hardware and keep paying dividends." Once the trust is gone, the security isn't based on anything.

EDIT: Although illegal if this was a real security, one could imagine implementing 1-3 above to purposefully drive down the price so you can buy back the proceeds from the hardware yourself. That would be brilliant! Make other people buy you hardware and promise them the proceeds, then drive down the exchangeable price of the hardware, the buy back the rights to dividends below the cost of the hardware!
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Is there a way we can trade shares outside BitFunder?

I created this GDocs to do that just in case.

Anyway, I'm willing to sell 130 LRM shares at market price, around 0.07-0.08 BTC. If anyone interested, just PM me.
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@LabRat : email sent, please confirm.
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The people that are selling at bargain basement prices probably dont want to deal with the unknown. im sure if bitfunder would have given us more time and not locked out us buyers, it would be a lot different.. but it is what it is.. Lets hope we come out stronger than before....

It must be possible to circumvent this problem by going through some proxy server outside of the US.  Someone from the US should figure it out and publish it here. This would at least work for the next two weeks.
Pretty sure a VPN would work for the next couple of weeks - costs about $100. I have used StrongVPN in the past for different reasons ( I am not U.S. based) and they were very good. Although if you have already logged in from the U.S. previously it's possible your account is already tagged U.S. but I highly doubt it.
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