Large Bitcoin Collider (Collision Finders Pool) - page 36.

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Quote from: rico666 on February 18, 2017, 04:11:49 AM

Quote from: becoin on February 18, 2017, 04:07:35 AM

... all the usual stuff that people spit when they lack arguments!

Yes, I admit: I'm lacking the arguments here.
Maybe someone else would like to try, because I have some coding and testing and releases to do this weekend.
So you managed again to suck 10 minutes of that precious time, but no more.

Rico

Don't worry about him and ignore him. I guess that's the best you can do. You can't argue with people who do not have your mindset. You are interested to see if there is a possibility to create a collision - for the fun and interest. I would call it engineering work

Some people are not that way and he is one of them. He beliefs that this won't work and if you find something, well, then he considers you as a thief (my assumption).

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Quote from: becoin on February 18, 2017, 04:07:35 AM

... all the usual stuff that people spit when they lack arguments!

Yes, I admit: I'm lacking the arguments here.
Maybe someone else would like to try, because I have some coding and testing and releases to do this weekend.
So you managed again to suck 10 minutes of that precious time, but no more.

Rico

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Seriously? For the 3rd time?

And for the 3rd time what I get is...

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basic education
text understanding
keeping the thread alive
you a troll
one account to many people
suffering from amnesia
seek professional help

... all the usual stuff that people spit when they lack arguments!

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Quote from: becoin on February 18, 2017, 03:23:25 AM

Quote from: rico666 on February 18, 2017, 01:28:25 AM

Actually we found two of them.

Actually you didn't.
I'm afraid you have to re-chew what's the difference between finding a private key and finding a collision?

Actually we did. The original question I answered was:

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Have you ever find any address with even a few satoshi in it?

So yes, we found two of these. I'm afraid you have to re-chew basic education, including text understanding.
Thanks for keeping the thread alive, though.

And:

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Lets assume you've found a private key. How will you prove it isn't one of your own private keys?

Seriously? For the 3rd time? Are you a troll, one account to many people, suffering from amnesia?
Really becoin, please seek professional help.

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Quote from: rico666 on February 18, 2017, 01:28:25 AM

Actually we found two of them.

Actually you didn't.
I'm afraid you have to re-chew what's the difference between finding a private key and finding a collision?

Finding a private key doesn't prove anything as it can be result of:
- using a crappy RNG
- using a brain wallet with password like "Joe123"
- presenting your own private key as the one you've found

Lets assume you've found a private key. How will you prove it isn't one of your own private keys?

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Quote from: rico666 on February 18, 2017, 01:25:36 AM

Quote from: Jude Austin on February 18, 2017, 01:19:41 AM

Still no AMD generator?

I believe what we have now will also run on AMD, but it's untested. Why don't you send me your diagnostics-OpenCL.txt file?

I found another prformance optimization I'm working on right now. The performance problems experienced on AWS GPU instances may be related to that.
It has to do with startup times and was hidden from me, because of my 2.5 GB/s SSD...

Rico

Struggling to install AMD OpenCL on Ubuntu 14.04.4

Typically I just install FGLRX and it works fine.

Duh, helps if I actually installed Ubuntu instead of running it from the USB stick.

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Quote from: digaran on February 17, 2017, 05:56:48 PM

Have you ever find any address with even a few satoshi in it? but lets assume that someday some one lucky enough finds one collision then what? next thing is going to take a few months or even years? this is like gathering thousands of keys and going on the street and test them one by one on every car and house to see if one of them could open a door to steal the car or steal from the house.

Actually we found two of them. One had 789900 and one 10000 satoshi "in it". https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/trophies
Maybe you would like to cover the basics by reading the thread before re-chewing what has been discussed before.

Rico

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Quote from: Jude Austin on February 18, 2017, 01:19:41 AM

Still no AMD generator?

I believe what we have now will also run on AMD, but it's untested. Why don't you send me your diagnostics-OpenCL.txt file?

I found another prformance optimization I'm working on right now. The performance problems experienced on AWS GPU instances may be related to that.
It has to do with startup times and was hidden from me, because of my 2.5 GB/s SSD...

Rico

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Still no AMD generator?

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Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 05:47:45 PM

Soon the pool will have generated 500 tn keys and thus searched 1 quadrillion addresses. A complete and exhaustive search. I find that amusing too because I believe it hasn't been done before.

So, what? You haven't found a single collision! Oh, wait... you don't do it for the sake of finding collisions, right?

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Have you ever find any address with even a few satoshi in it? but lets assume that someday some one lucky enough finds one collision then what? next thing is going to take a few months or even years? this is like gathering thousands of keys and going on the street and test them one by one on every car and house to see if one of them could open a door to steal the car or steal from the house.

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Quote from: becoin on February 17, 2017, 04:12:14 PM

Sure. I just find your logic quite amusing.
Use my bitcoins => buy AWS => find some of the early Satoshi keys => cause bitcoin price drop
Any idea why should I use some of my bitcoins to ruin the rest of my bitcoins?!
How is that valuable?

My logic may be amusing, but what you have is called cognitive bias.

No one really expects the bitcoin price to drop when (intentionally not using "if") this pool finds other funds and when these prove to be collisions.

This story about the purpose of this pool "to make the bitcoin price crash" is something you made up long time ago and now you believe it, you even make it an axiom of your thinking/deductions.

I find that amusing.

Soon the pool will have generated 500 tn keys and thus searched 1 quadrillion addresses. A complete and exhaustive search. I find that amusing too because I believe it hasn't been done before.
I am having fun doing this and I believe people who participate in the pool are also having fun. Be it the thrill to find something, be it to show off ones computational power ... whatever.

You can vomit here as long as you want becoin, I don't mind. Actually you're a local color to this project meanwhile. Wink

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Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 11:39:09 AM

I'd say everything is more valuable than bitcoins if you never buy anything for bitcoins.

Sure. I just find your logic quite amusing.

Use my bitcoins => buy AWS => find some of the early Satoshi keys => cause bitcoin price drop

Any idea why should I use some of my bitcoins to ruin the rest of my bitcoins?!

How is that valuable?

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Quote from: shorena on February 17, 2017, 12:53:14 PM

Should probably just abort when a new version is found and not start working.

New version seems to work, Ill complain later in case it doesnt Wink

I have checked it in the logs. Something is triggering this behavior in a regular update.
Currently it seems to keep the checksum of the older version, but sending the newer version
to the server

Code:

178cbfaa074273b584fd4f8ed220aaf6 <-> d9f2697140fbf1e5c919a01630bce63b

(178cbfaa074273b584fd4f8ed220aaf6 is 1.010 and d9f2697140fbf1e5c919a01630bce63b is 1.015)

Not sure yet what's going on, so for now it's safe to say if you encounter this, have a laugh and
ignore it - you're most probably not doing anything wrong. Just downloading 1.015 should fix things.
I will of course look into it and fix this.

Rico

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Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 03:14:55 AM

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edit: it ran for a while then said " so you want to play hard, sucker? yes, ok .. bye" and died. man i love this server hahaha.
error must be on my end i think ;p maybe an update

What you observed is the 2nd line of defense the client has in place to cope with code tampering. Normally it computes a checksum of its source code and sends that to the server which has a database entry which version has which checksum. If you tamper with the code, it will simply say so and block communication. Now if you dig deeper and change the code providing that checksum, you have tampered with the code and the client sends the "correct" checksum to the server. There is a 2nd mechanism in place to prevent that and that's what you have seen. Please do not change the code of the client - it's really not worth it.

Had a similar experience after waking up my VM today.

Code:

./LBC
New client ´1.015-LBC.bz2´ found.
Best generator chosen. gen-hrdcore-avx2-linux64
Ask for work... DEATH KISS
got block [xx-xx] (xx MKeys)
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooDEATH KISS

So you sucker want to play it hard - yes? Ok... Goodbye
Server doesn´t like us. Answer: gen checksum.

Should probably just abort when a new version is found and not start working.

New version seems to work, Ill complain later in case it doesnt Wink

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Quote from: becoin on February 17, 2017, 10:36:47 AM

I'd better buy bitcoins with those $. Or, are you saying AWS codes are more valuable than bitcoins?

I'd say everything is more valuable than bitcoins if you never buy anything for bitcoins.
If you're a hardcore hodler, it's fine with me.

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Yes, definitely!... If measured in bitcoins!

I see you have a very exciting life ahead. Buy bitcoins -> hodl them for 50 years -> profit!

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Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 10:15:56 AM

AWS codes can be bought for $ too.

I'd better buy bitcoins with those $. Or, are you saying AWS codes are more valuable than bitcoins?

Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 10:15:56 AM

If you're saying the value of a top30 account in LBC will be less and less..

Yes, definitely!... If measured in bitcoins!

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Quote from: becoin on February 17, 2017, 09:53:28 AM

What you're actually offering isn't to buy but to sell his BTC. So, it is more like not having sold BTC @ $10... That is why he is right in his preference to wait!

If you say so...

AWS codes can be bought for $ too. If you're saying the value of a top30 account in LBC will be less and less.. Yeah sure - why not? Cheesy

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Quote from: rico666 on February 17, 2017, 09:33:34 AM

What you are saying right now is: "I know you offer early adopters great benefits, but I prefer to wait."
It's ok. Like not having bought BTC @ $2. Wink

Rico

What you're actually offering isn't to buy but to sell his BTC. So, it is more like not having sold BTC @ $10... That is why he is right in his preference to wait!

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Quote from: shifty252 on February 17, 2017, 09:22:05 AM

Thanks for answering, but i'll stick to CPU-only for now. Not willing to spend any $ or BTC for less than 10x speed gain.

CPU-only performance is quite awesome, one core on i7-4770 does 720000 keys/second.

I understand that, but you may want to reconsider (strategically). I will certainly not stop at 3x, but by the time I have a 10x client, the value of getting the perks of a top30 member may not be achievable below 0.1 BTC and 0.1 BTC may have a higher value than it has today...

What you are saying right now is: "I know you offer early adopters great benefits, but I prefer to wait."
It's ok. Like not having bought BTC @ $2. Wink

Rico

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