Topic: Lautauro Martinez for Ballon D’or Vs Vini and others (Read 476 times)

Clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United are in crisis and they need time to resolve their own crises but meanwhile, it affects competitiveness of Premier League representatives in Champions League too. Chelsea shown some good performances in late of past season and if they can continue it in this season, they will return to top four of Premier League and can help the league competitiveness in Champions League in 2025 - 2026 season.

Manchester United did not show any good signal to end their crisis and they have more things to do than Chelsea in a new season.

Manchester City and Arsenal are best representatives of Premier League but Champions League is very competitive and unpredictable. We already saw that Manchester City had to spend a lot of money, many seasons to win their first title. Arsenal are improving themselves but winning Champions League is not easy and to enhance score of the league in European ranking, it needs more clubs from Premier League to do their jobs well in Europa League and Conference League too.

Is that true, am I just dreaming of seeing Lionel Messi enter as the best candidate for the Ballon d'Or, if this year Lionel Messi gets the Ballon d'Or, there will definitely be many questions that come out of my mind, Messi's era is over and there should be no need to include him in the list of the best Ballon d'Or winners this year, and give the opportunity to young players who are currently in their golden age, it makes sense if Vini wins the Ballon d'Or this year, seeing the performance shown during the two seasons with Real Madrid, with the achievements he has achieved, and for Jude Belingham maybe this year is not the time to win the award, next year it might come true,

Oh but look, who cares about individual prizes, we only care about who is the most talked about on social media and on stakeouts.  And anyway, who is Jude Bellingham, a relative of the bell ringer?  Vinicius jnr on the other hand is the latest cry, maybe he takes selfies with the Champions League trophy while eating pizza.  But Martinez, how many things he has won, but you know, in Rome those who win the Golden Balls are always the politicians.

It is very surprising to see Messi in the list of very best candidates for Ballon d'Or this year. It's not surprising to see Jude Bellingham, Vinicius Junior, Lautaro Martinez, Rodri in the list, but Messi is not deserved to appear in the list.

If Messi wins Ballon d'Or this time, it is a big scandal in football because honestly he does not deserve to win it this year. Transition time of Messi - Ronaldo era is coming to ending and now it is beginning of new era with new young star players, Jude, Vini, Yamal and more to compete for Ballon d'Or award.

Messi is a great player but this year, it's better for football if the winner of Ballon d'Or is someone else.

I dunno why I feel really weird towards the selections of players for the ballon D'ors awards.. The era of two rivals has only done more harm than good; creating a huge gap between what was perceived a "complete players", thereby making it impossible to find a record fit for a distinction.

It's like forcefully fitting a square peg in a round hole -- it can never be in shape anymore. Lautauro Martinez - judging from his performances in the copa america, and club/individual awards isn't qualified for the award.

Been the most mentioned or talked about isn't a guarantee you are going to win the title, to think meeting up with all of the requirements is what determines for sure who eventually gets crownes with the ballin di'or, vinicius has got a whole lot ranging from his performance and awards and he's a very young player aswell which I see as an edge, almost same applies to Bellingham.

In your argument that Martinez has got more personal award than any of the nominated players, you have a very valid point but I don't think that's all that is to meeting up to be chosen as the possible winner of the award so away from personal awards he should be sure to meet up other requirements and that will be his edge over others to get the award.

If you look at Premier League clubs currently, it is different from when years back that it use to be the best and strongest league to watch and you can see that in their performance but currently, most of those big clubs like Liverpool, Manchester united and Chelsea have lost their strengths because of some reasons best known to the clubs.

Only Manchester city is keeping to their quality and improving their strength which makes me see that it is only them that can make things happen in European competitions from England, the rest clubs have declined in quality and that is why England clubs are finding it difficult to dominate European competitions currently. Look at the two semifinals in UCL and Europa League non of England clubs was present.

EPL is not competitive anymore and only Arsenal is still keeping to their name as a big club.

I agree with Serie A and La Liga primes but disagree on Premier League prime. The Champions League title of Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City recent seasons are not enough to cover bad performances of other clubs from Premier League. Recent seasons, there are surprising rises from Italian clubs and during same time, clubs from Premier League shown their problems.

Premier League have good clubs, rich and strong but they are still have many things to do for dominating Europe.
La Liga had golden era with domination of Barcelona and Real Madrid, it's impressive but it's hard to repeat by Premier League clubs.

Serie A's prime happened in 2002-2006
La Liga's prime happened in 2008-2017
Premier League's prime happened in 2018-2022

Only both La Liga and Premier League teams can survive, Serie A is always like a second tier league if judge based on international match.

Ngl, seeing Messi really not deserved to be in this picture, the medias include him because we know there are many Messi's fans out there, same like Ronaldo. If they both are included in Ballon d'Or candidates, even the chance is almost zero, they will include Messi and Ronaldo on the thumbnail.

This year Ballon d'Or has a majority of young players as candidates, so in my opinion this might make it difficult for correspondents to make their choice because each candidate has quite good achievements and accomplishments in the last 2 seasons, several criteria will be the focus of the player assessment such players as individual and collective performances (winners) throughout the year, player class (talent and fair play) and overall assessment of the player career.
Vinicius may be in the first rank of players who deserve to win the ballon'or after his success in helping Madrid win Champions League and also La Liga, but I personally see that Rodri and Martinez are two players who really deserve to win the Ballon d'or this year, Pedri has succeeded in helping Spain and Manchester City become champions, apart from that his performance has been very consistent with Manchester City and also Spain so far should be an added value for him in the correspondents assessment, as well as Martinez who has had a big role in helping Argentina and also Intermilan this season, we cannot differentiate the quality between one player and another but in terms of assessment of course every aspect and Also, contribution to the team and country will be an important factor in making the player worthy of winning the Ballon d'Or.

BTW, what about Messi current chances, do you think he still has a chance to win the Ballon d'Or the ninth?

I am not sure what date the voting will be closed but if i am not mistaken the nominees will be announce on September 4th and after that the winner of Ballon D’or 2024 will be announce at October 28 and if we see based on the nominees player i think we all know Vinicius is in the first place of the list which very possible he will being an the winner of this award and indeed it might be controversial because Lautaro Martinez or Rodri probably is more deserved than him

If we talking about Ballon D’or winner lists i have to says Laliga players were dominate this award and since 2009 until 2022 the winner of this award is came from the players from Laliga teams which usually from Barcelona or Real Madrid even on 2023 this award goes to Lionel Messi which he is the former player of Barcelona and about Serie A players indeed last time who win Ballon D’or is AC Milan player Ricardo Kaka on 2007 and since that Serie A players were never able to gets the trophy from this award

do you really think that lautaro martinez can win the ballon d'or he will certainly be in the running to win it but now to say that he was incisive in everything seems a bit risky to me, certainly among the top 10 but really there are many who can win the ball I'll leave you with Carlo Ancelotti's statements: Asked about the next Ballon d'Or, then added: "Vinicius Junior of Real Madrid will win the Ballon d'Or, in my opinion. Carvajal also did very well, he won the La Liga, the Champions League and scored in the final, he won the European Championship... but Vinicius is young, he has an excellent reputation, he won the La Liga, he scored in the Champions League in the Final and in the Semi-finals... He scored two goals in Munich, let's not forget that."
surely if Messi was there he would win it ahaha

I really don't know who is going to win the Baloon D'or, but I think that Lautauro Martinez won't win this award.
Serie A isn't what it used to be and the top goal scorer of Serie A isn't respected as the best striker in Europe.
I expect the next Baloon D'or winner to play in La Liga(Real Madrid). Bellingham didn't impress me at all during the Euro 2024, but England reached the final. Vinicius Jr. disappointed in the Brazilian national team and he didn't won Copa America. It's kinda weird for me to finally realize that the "Messi vs. Ronaldo" era is over and the Baloon D'or doesn't have a clear favorite for winning this award.

it would have been a straight win for vini had it been he has good attitude and also played well in the Copa America. While the champions league was on, his overall performance and personality in the game displayed what a top balon d'or contender should possess but his poor performance for his country speaks otherwise. Jude Bellingham on the other hand is just a an over hyped player that gets lucky to score at big stages and even though he's closer to the top on the list of the most likely to win the balon d'or, I feel that rodri deserves it more. Rodri has won Euro 2024, Premier League, Club World Cup & UEFA Super Cup and played a crucial role in all of those trophies. But here is the reality that will me most likely happen, Jude Bellingham will win the balon d'or, it will bring a lot of controversy but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people have tried to push him up above his level and are rooting for him to get hold of the balon d'or.

Odds shock me. How do Yamal and Willams can be given better odds than Martinez?

They had past good season with their clubs and won Euro 2024 with their national team Spain with good personal contributions for the team and that trophy too. Even their performances and contributions are good, it's not enough to compare with Martinez's performances and it's not fair and correct to say Yamal or Williams played better than Lautaro Martinez in the past season and in this summer at national team level.

If compare and assess the three, I would say that Rodri will never be able to surpass Vinicius or Bellingham as long as these two players are still with Real Madrid, and last season the success of the two Real Madrid players was far above Rodri success.
He will not be strong competitor in the fight for the championship title, in fact I not sure that Rodri assessment in the event to compete for the Ballon d'Or title will be good enough later.
What Rodri got was only limited to success with the club with domestic competitions, he was unable to show good performance in all the competitions he participated in last season.
But one thing that gave Rodri higher assessment was his success in becoming part of the Spanish national team to win Euro 2024, it just that even though he got the title, his performance and contribution were not so satisfying.
I doubt this will be reference for him to be able to compete later.

It doesn't seem so, Martinez is currently at 8th rank, the chance is completely low. I think it's either rank 1-5, Yamal quite deserved because he bring Spain to win EURO, but overall performance Rodri should become the winner.

In that year FIFA can choose correctly the player that deserved to win Ballon d'Or because there have been many years they reward to undeserved players. If FIFA always reward Cristiano Ronaldo to win Ballon d'Or, I believe people will say FIFA is fair.

I agree with you, we believe Rodri, Carvajal, and Toni Kroos performances were outstanding last season, but I do not believe their names belong on the list of players who deserve the world's best award. I was surprised to see Rodri on the list, he was even ranked as the first player who deserves the award, and I was like, for what?! What has he achieved for the previous season that led his name to the list and even ranked the first players? Many supporters believe that Rodri deserves the award because of his contribution to Manchester City last season, they didn't lose any of the games that Rodri played with them, and to me that isn't good enough for him to achieve it. If Manchester City won the Champions League last season, I would not talk, and I would agree that he deserved it.

Vinicuis, on the other hand, many people believe he deserves it due to his impressive performance in the Champions League, no player performed as well as Vinicuis in the Champions League, but according to international records, Vinicuis did not deserve the award because he only scored two goals and they were eliminated in the quarterfinals.

After Argentina won Copa America, and Martinez was the one who scored the winning goal his chances of winning Ballon d'or increased and that was when some persons started checking his achievements last season. He was a great player and contributed towards Inter success, his performance during Copa America was also brilliant.

Jude Bellingham and Vini failed to win their nations cup and that is why you see that they are having a competitor currently. I think Martinez deserves it more than the other two because his performance was consistent in all competitions.

So true! I think the last Ballon D'or where fans where happy was with Luka Modric right ? That was a fair decision in that year but since then , I can't remember fans being happy with who was the winner of Ballon D'or. Lautaro is a true contender but so is Vinicius and so is Rodri and in my opinion, Rodri should win because he was player of Euro 2024 , he had massive influence in his national team + he provided assists. I also won't be surprised if we see Vini Jr to win just because he scored the winning goal of UCL final and he also had one blast season in LaLiga where he scored important goals in important games.