Topic: Lautauro Martinez for Ballon D’or Vs Vini and others - page 2. (Read 491 times)
The Ballon D'or awards always have disputed results. The fans are never happy with the results. I think it's one of the most prestigious awards in the world. And it's normal to have disputes. Lautauro Martinez is having two great seasons at Inter. Not only in his last season but also in the season before that, he had great stats there. But I don't think he has impressed everybody. I don't know if he could have achieved the same stats in another team other than Inter. He achieved good stats as a special part of a special team. But I don't know if he could have achieved the same stats in another challenge. I think for these reasons he will not be a strong candidate for the Ballon D'or.
To tell the truth, I'm favouring Rodri for Ballon d'Or now. Because I believe he deserves the most this time. 
People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.
There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
To tell the truth, I'm favouring Rodri for Ballon d'Or now. Because I believe he deserves the most this time. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.
There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
Yep the main criteria for Ballon d'Or are not only based on goals and assists only, fair play and Club/national team success are also among the criteria for winning Ballon d'Or. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
Even though Messi no longer plays in Europe now, he could win this title again if his performance was very good in the last season because since 2007 every player in the world is eligible to be selected as the candidate to win Ballon d'Or.
To tell the truth, I'm favouring Rodri for Ballon d'Or now. Because I believe he deserves the most this time. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.
There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
The Ballon d'Or definitely between Vinicius Jr, Jude Bellingham and Rodri. These are my favorites to win the Ballon d'Or based on their spectacular performance. Rodri have played major role in the midfield of Manchester City. Pep Guardiola spots the Spaniard to be a very important player for the team and with his presence, Manchester City can dominate and win matches without stress but in his absence, it's really a long day for them I think. The Citizens have best players that are experienced and capable of enacting the smooth running improvement. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
To tell the truth, I'm favouring Rodri for Ballon d'Or now. Because I believe he deserves the most this time. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.
There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
If Rodri deserves it more, what about Dani Carvajal? He scored in the Champions League finals against Borrussia Dortmund. He won the UEFA European Champions League Competition, he won the La Liga Competition. He was also amongst the squad that won the European Championship with the Spanish National Football Federation. Are you saying you want to exclude him. I once thought he merited it though, but when you pay to a close stats of other players, I feel like he should come fourth finally.
He won the English Premier League Competition. He won the best player in the European Championship and Europe Championship, I don't think he has a place in the amongst those that won the Ballon d'or.
This shiit should either be given to Vinicius Junior or Lautaro Martinez. They're both hardworking and they're players that have merited it last season.
It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.
The problem of selecting the golden player is there’s no set rule’s and guidelines to the selection and the criteria varies . FIFA need to give us the criterias openly we’re past Ronaldo and Messi era let’s start anew.Vinicius jnr might be the most exciting player right now accompanied with his goals and assists but achievements of Lautauro Martinez supersedes his .
2021 wasn’t for Lewy Messi had more achievements and individual awards
We'll have to agree ro disagree on that 2021 Lewy defeat to Messi because Lewy has more G/A assist including trophies for that year amongst other stats. But that's just btw. I'm sure Martinez won't stand a chance against the likes of Vini and Bellingham. If there's anybody that can rival them since G/A doesn't seem to be the main criteria for emerging a winner, then Rodri can win it. I'd be glad it either Rodri and Martinez will get to win it. It's going to be a close call though.
It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.
The problem of selecting the golden player is there’s no set rule’s and guidelines to the selection and the criteria varies . FIFA need to give us the criterias openly we’re past Ronaldo and Messi era let’s start anew.Vinicius jnr might be the most exciting player right now accompanied with his goals and assists but achievements of Lautauro Martinez supersedes his .
2021 wasn’t for Lewy Messi had more achievements and individual awards
To tell the truth, I'm favouring Rodri for Ballon d'Or now. Because I believe he deserves the most this time. People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.
There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
People shouldn't look at this prize like the player with most goals or assists wins it. It is a bad way to assess it.There are already prizes for that like European Golden Shoe and so on. Ballon d'Or has much more different criteria. Especially after winning Euro 2024, I think Rodri is even closer to getting that prize. As for Messi, I don't think he should be given it. It wouldn't be fair. He won the last Copa America, I know but I still don't think he deserves more than Rodri. Messi doesn't even play in Europe anymore.
I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.
It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.
It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.
Id love Rodri but how about Dani Carvajal then? Didn't he win the Champions League Competition, ( Scored a goal during the finals ), Won the La Liga. Won the Euros Competition and also played a huge role in the defense likewise.
This nominations for this Ballon d'or are crazy and funny for real. I don't want to pick a side but if I'm to do I'd say Vinicius Junior, during the Champions League Competition, he had a great time, assisting and also scoring mandatory goals for Real Madrid. It's fingers crossed right now, let the best man be voted in between.
Lautaro Martinez stats are damn impressive, I didn't take a look at him until two days ago when having a chat with my pal about the Ballon d'or.
Indeed, Lautaro Martinez is player who has scored lot of goals for his team and has several individual awards, but basically the assessment to get the Ballon d'Or is not only that but there are several other factors that are determining factors.
It just that for the real assessment, no one knows, even that is secret in my opinion, if there are players who have been truly selected, it will only be published and announced when the event is officially held because everything is secret.
For now, only Bellingham and Vinicius Jr are the most potential players to get it, but there are other names like Mbappe who are also favorites of some people, they are young players who have created new era in European football.
Lately, Bellingham performance has also been highlighted quite impressively in helping England reach the Euro 2024 final, but that will not guarantee whether he will be selected.
In my opinion, only those two players are worthy, whether it Bellingham or Vinicius, they are still two great young Real Madrid players who has won various titles during his career in European football.
It just that for the real assessment, no one knows, even that is secret in my opinion, if there are players who have been truly selected, it will only be published and announced when the event is officially held because everything is secret.
For now, only Bellingham and Vinicius Jr are the most potential players to get it, but there are other names like Mbappe who are also favorites of some people, they are young players who have created new era in European football.
Lately, Bellingham performance has also been highlighted quite impressively in helping England reach the Euro 2024 final, but that will not guarantee whether he will be selected.
In my opinion, only those two players are worthy, whether it Bellingham or Vinicius, they are still two great young Real Madrid players who has won various titles during his career in European football.
Lautauro Martinez was serie A best player and highest goal scorer last season.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
These players have balancing achievements with their clubs by winning domestic titles (domestic league, domestic super cup) but Lautaro did not win Champions League, while Vinicius and Jude Bellingham won Champions League with Real Madrid. To cover this disadvantage at club level, Lautaro won Coppa America title with his national team while Vinicius and Jude Bellingham failed with their national teams in Coppa America and Euro 2024.He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
At international level, Lautaro looks better but Judge went to a final match in Euro 2024 with England and only failed against Spain. Between Vinicius Junior and Jude Bellingham, I see Jude is a better competitor against Lautaro for Ballon d'Or this year.
I so much like it as it's hard to even predict who's going to be the winner for the Ballon D'or, players have proven to be the best and non can easily say is going to be from the EPL, la Liga, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Serie A etc. But definitely we are sure to have a winner, according to this past event (Euros) player like Rodri said this is the time for a Spanish player to win the Ballon D'or and I buy the idea too because they have been one of the best and going out to play 7 games without any defeat is something they need to look out for and their performance was out of this World, non expected it from them because the way and manner they went about business in that competition has been great with them giving the fans every single moment to believe and have a 100% confidence in them.
With that been said I think if they're handing the award it should be from the Spanish side or maybe give it to Rodri because he has been a better player both club and country, he's also the main reason City have their first champions league title and some other trophies including the Euros, I'd say Rodri deserve the award and I think you guys would agree with me on that.
With that been said I think if they're handing the award it should be from the Spanish side or maybe give it to Rodri because he has been a better player both club and country, he's also the main reason City have their first champions league title and some other trophies including the Euros, I'd say Rodri deserve the award and I think you guys would agree with me on that.
It's hard to say who deserves Ballon D'or this year because when it was Messi's and Cristiano's era, it was easy to predict, both of them were phenomenal players with phenomenal statistics. I think we don't have footballer as magical and competitive as Messi for example and because of that, these days people mostly support their favorite players. There is not a clear best football player in the world right now, individual performances sucks today.
I personally like Lautaro Martinez very much, he also scored an important goal in the Copa America finale but I think that Rodri will get the Ballon D'or. I think Vinicius doesn't deserve it.
I personally like Lautaro Martinez very much, he also scored an important goal in the Copa America finale but I think that Rodri will get the Ballon D'or. I think Vinicius doesn't deserve it.
Sometimes it is the popularity that matters among its fans. It is not about the number of goals or trophies that a player is holding under his belt. It is the charisma so to speak. Also, we don't know the criteria of the judges these days. It can be the combination of -
> their individual performance (career success)
> impressive on-field performances that people are talking about
> their role in the team, any significant contribution of the athlete
> fair play
Which translates that it is not about the number of goals or trophies but the overall performance of this individual as an athlete of the sports. It is like they are looking for the best role model of this sports.
Lautauro Martinez was serie A best player and highest goal scorer last season.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
He has more individual award than Vinicius jnr or any other player on the list and also has some good trophies.
Based on the criteria for ballon D’or as the overall golden ball he’s the best candidate but sadly he’s not been talked about enough.
He Won the Italian Super Cup
Won the Serie A
Won Copa America and was the highest goal scorer.
He has more individual award than Vinicius jnr or any other player on the list and also has some good trophies.
Based on the criteria for ballon D’or as the overall golden ball he’s the best candidate but sadly he’s not been talked about enough.
Well he is the most consistent scorer in Serie A and in the last 60 or 65 years there were only 5 players to have scored 20 or more goals in three consecutive seasons in Serie A and one of them is Lautauro with different strike partner every year which proves he can play with anybody, also to mentioned he finished Capocannoniere. But the most sensational about him being the top league's scorer, is he also the forward with the most interceptions also his teamplay is also off the charts he hounds the defenders off the counter-press and takes the pressure off and assure the other nine field players.
I won't be surprised if he is not even nominated for the Ballon D Or awards. Because this is not the first time someone who deserves this award was denied it. There were many players who would have won it but were denied of it in the past because of the fan's dominance of Messi and Ronaldo hype. It's just feeling this day it is based on hype because certainly when it comes to qualification Lautaro Matinez is the qualified candidate for this award. But the hypes and fame of Jude Bellingham and Vinicius have overshadowed his light. At the end of the day, i see no offense if Vinicius was given the awards but Jude I think he is not worth it at least not yet.
For me Lautauro is a complete package of a player but these awards also have Recency Bias, Popularity and such. I would say they count World Cup over Copa America.
Please what has Vinicius jnr or Jude Bellingham got over him[...]
The hype! Bellingham is being overrated and, that's not just gonna sit well for him at the end... I don't know why please think FIFA has been corruptible for years now with just one player.... Messi gave football an essence, and over his first 7 years of his Career, having him at 25, he won 4 ballon d'ors and that has been the highest so far for an average player at that age.Quote
Vinicius and Jude Bellingham both have
1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
We've had players that were complete - even more than what any complete player in football should be... Pedro! Was he able to win the best player? No! Why's that? FIFA doesn't really focus on a player's achievement alone; your ability to create Chances and score unimaginable goals is part of their analysis as well. 1.La Liga
2.UEFA Champions League
3.Super cup
On 2021 there was a debatable about who is Ballon D’or winner because at that time Messi with PSG can being an the winner and some of people has give their opinion about this because on that year Messi performance is not really good with PSG so he didn't deserved to gets Ballon D’or because if the benchmark is individual achievement or club achievement people said Lewandowski is more deserved to gets that award rather than Messi which at that time Lewandowski can being an Bundesliga top scorer and can gets Bundesliga trophy with Bayern Munich
And this year too probably the winner of Ballon D’or could be very controversial because if we see from the achievement Lautaro Martinez is more deserved to gets this award rather than Vinicius but recently i have seen the lists of the winner candidates of this year and Rodri can replace Vinicius position on first place and if this position not change until October means Rodri will being an the winner of this year
And this year too probably the winner of Ballon D’or could be very controversial because if we see from the achievement Lautaro Martinez is more deserved to gets this award rather than Vinicius but recently i have seen the lists of the winner candidates of this year and Rodri can replace Vinicius position on first place and if this position not change until October means Rodri will being an the winner of this year
I think it might be Vinicius Jr but a name not mentioned in the OP is Rodri of Man City. He won the PL title and was player of the tournament with Spain winning Euro 2024.
It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.
The Ballon D'or winner is usually a striker who scores a lot of goals and assists, Rodri is a midfielder and his total goals and assists are still far less than Vini, Bellingham and Martinez.It’s much tougher now since the step down from peak CR7 and Messi is huge.
Actually, Rodri really deserves to win the Ballon D'or, but it looks like the journalists and the coaches + captains of the national teams will choose Bellingham even though England failed to win the Euro - If Bellingham doesn't win it, Martinez will definitely win the Ballon D'or this year.
It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.
There's no doubt to the fact that the winner of this year's ballon d'Or will be decided by the performance of the players that has been shortlisted in their various clubs last season but the truth is that we currently do not know who is going to win as the votes are yet to be casted. Again the ballon D'or winner this year isn't yet decided because some of the performance of players in the new in the first few months of the new season will also determine if they can win the ballon D'or or not. That being said I think the players still have much more more work to do another to be winner. Vinicius Jr had a very impressive season with Real where he helped the club to win the Spanish La Liga as well as the UEFA Champions League title which he finished as the best player of the tournament while Lautaro Martinez was able to win the Italian Serie A as well as the Copa America with his national team. Lautaro Martinez I think is a good candidate for the Balon D'or but not on the same level with Vinicius Jr who I think was clearly better
It doesn't matter what we think or discuss here. I want to believe the winner is already known to inner circles. Players like Vini and Bellingham are just for the PR. Looking at the stats, Vini abd Bellingham don't come close at all. If Bellingham won the Euro 2024, he would've been placed ahead of Vini. If people won by merits, Lewandowski would have won it in 2021 ahead of Messi despite having more goal/assist tally. That's why I want to believe that Martinez won't win it this year.
I won't be surprised if he is not even nominated for the Ballon D Or awards. Because this is not the first time someone who deserves this award was denied it. There were many players who would have won it but were denied of it in the past because of the fan's dominance of Messi and Ronaldo hype. It's just feeling this day it is based on hype because certainly when it comes to qualification Lautaro Matinez is the qualified candidate for this award. But the hypes and fame of Jude Bellingham and Vinicius have overshadowed his light. At the end of the day, i see no offense if Vinicius was given the awards but Jude I think he is not worth it at least not yet.
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