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Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Okay so with a nano ledger s, you always need a laptop with you to send the btc right?

The Nano S can also use on smartphones with at least Android 7 Nougat using an OTG cable ^[1], currently not possible for iOS users ^[2].

^[1] https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021488913-Connect-Ledger-Nano-S-or-Ledger-Blue
^[2] https://www.ledger.com/ledger-goes-mobile-ledger-live-app-now-available-for-ios-and-android-smartphones

On the Nano X (other than using Bluetooth), I have tried connecting using a cable (OTG) to a smartphone. Of course, this could come in handy when the Nano X's battery life is already out of date (about five years).

Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Now with the nano ledger x... you can always use it connected to a computer like with the nano ledger s right?

Currently, the Bluetooth connection feature on Nano X cannot be used on a computer.
I once tried to use it on a MacBook using Bluetooth, the name of the Ledger Nano X device was not detected.
However, I have tried to connect the Nano X to a MacBook using a cable while also connecting it to a smartphone using Bluetooth, both of which function without disconnecting one of them.

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Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

May i ask how much you paid for the nano ledger s when they had the black friday discount?

Although the question was asked a long time ago, it may now be relevant if the purchase of a new device is planned. I got a total discount of 35% then, and the postage was free - so I paid a total of about $90 which seemed like a very decent discount to me.

A lot has already been written about what X has compared to S, but as we can see with the latest firmware update what X has is quite a large storage, while S has to face user criticism for losing 4kb.

In the long run, the new model has its advantages - but from the perspective of "I don't need Bluetooth, a bigger screen and more storage", the old Nano S is quite a good buy.

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Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

I saw some codes discount on reddit. But its hundred percent safe to use it right?

Yes.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Okay so with a nano ledger s, you always need a laptop with you to send the btc right?

No, you just need a device to connect your nano s to via USB.
This can be your laptop, desktop system or an android mobile via USB OTG.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Now with the nano ledger x... you can always use it connected to a computer like with the nano ledger s right?

Yes.
The nano x does not only have a bluetooth interface, but a USB interface too.

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Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Okay so with a nano ledger s, you always need a laptop with you to send the btc right? But with the ledger x... its basically on the go... if you want to send it to someone in public without having a computer, well you can?

iOS users are out of luck but Android users can connect Ledger Nano S via USB and use it just like Ledger Nano X. Please note that both your phone and cable need to support OTG, which shouldn't be a problem these days.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 30, 2020, 04:40:06 AM

Now with the nano ledger x... you can always use it connected to a computer like with the nano ledger s right?

Yes, there is no other way since Bluetooth connectivity is currently supported only on the mobile version of Ledger Live.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 30, 2020, 03:49:20 AM

Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

It cost 130 for the nano x and 85 for the nano s.

The Nano S is currently listed for $59. You can always find a code to get a discount though, usually around 20%. Ask on here or on https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

I see you could do up to 20 coins on the nano s and up to 100 on the x?

The limit is far less than 20 now, and it was only ever that high if you picked specific coins (for example, all the forks of BTC, since they use many of the same dependencies). If you want to install totally different coins like BTC, ETH, and XMR, then you are probably limited to 3 or 4 coins at once on the Nano S. It is trivial to uninstall and reinstall different coins, though.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

But could you use the nano ledger x without a computer? The one issue i see with the nano ledger s is if you want to transfer btc while outside and not having your computer, you can't do that.

The Nano X has bluetooth and can therefore be used with any smartphone which also has bluetooth. The Nano S does not have bluetooth, but can be used with a cable with Android phones (but not Apple phones).

Thanks for response. I saw some codes discount on reddit. But its hundred percent safe to use it right? So the ppl that offer these codes, they basically get a percentage each time someone buys a nano ledger product like a referal?

Okay so with a nano ledger s, you always need a laptop with you to send the btc right? But with the ledger x... its basically on the go... if you want to send it to someone in public without having a computer, well you can? Now with the nano ledger x... you can always use it connected to a computer like with the nano ledger s right?

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Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

It cost 130 for the nano x and 85 for the nano s.

The Nano S is currently listed for $59. You can always find a code to get a discount though, usually around 20%. Ask on here or on https://www.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

I see you could do up to 20 coins on the nano s and up to 100 on the x?

The limit is far less than 20 now, and it was only ever that high if you picked specific coins (for example, all the forks of BTC, since they use many of the same dependencies). If you want to install totally different coins like BTC, ETH, and XMR, then you are probably limited to 3 or 4 coins at once on the Nano S. It is trivial to uninstall and reinstall different coins, though.

Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:41:58 PM

But could you use the nano ledger x without a computer? The one issue i see with the nano ledger s is if you want to transfer btc while outside and not having your computer, you can't do that.

The Nano X has bluetooth and can therefore be used with any smartphone which also has bluetooth. The Nano S does not have bluetooth, but can be used with a cable with Android phones (but not Apple phones).

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What are the additional pros of the nano x vs the s? It cost 130 for the nano x and 85 for the nano s. For me, the nano s was fine when it worked. I see you could do up to 20 coins on the nano s and up to 100 on the x? I dont have more than 5 different coins max so i would not need 100 different coins etc.

But could you use the nano ledger x without a computer? The one issue i see with the nano ledger s is if you want to transfer btc while outside and not having your computer, you can't do that. But i recall there was a device where you could do it on the go without any thing... is that the nano ledger x or is that something else? I think that is the nano ledger blue or something like that? I recalled it had a big screen like an ipad.

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Quote from: jerry0 on August 29, 2020, 04:13:27 PM

Is getting the nano s still the preferred option here as oppose to the nano x?

I posted in this thread earlier in the year, and since then I finally bought a Nano X which I said I wouldn't do--but it was an impulse buy and a long story behind it, too.

There are members here with far more knowledge than me when it comes to HW wallets and the pros and cons of the Ledger X vs. S, but from reading your posts I think a Nano S would serve your purposes just fine, and it's a lot cheaper. I haven't really seen any obvious advantages in the X except for being able to display more accounts on the screen, and I like the size and heft of it. But if I didn't have a HW wallet and was in the market to buy a Ledger, I would definitely go with the Nano S. I guess if I owned a ton of altcoins I might find the Nano X preferable, but I don't, and even if I did there still wouldn't be any real problems, just inconveniences.

Best of luck with whatever you buy, and may your device not have any problems that keep you up at night.

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Hey all. So no matter what I will get a new hardware wallet because my nano ledger s doesn't turn on anymore.

Is getting the nano s still the preferred option here as oppose to the nano x?

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Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 04:02:40 PM

Wait, but was the nano ledger S price 59.99 before the 30% discount?

Yes, it was, so $42 after discount.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 04:02:40 PM

You say there was a 50% discount in 2018 but this was when the ledger was selling for over 129 dollars right?

The price at the time was $100, so $50 after discount.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 04:02:40 PM

Btw do you have 1 nano ledger s and one X?

No. I have several S models but no X models. I don't care for most altcoins so have no need for the larger storage, and have a phone which is compatible with the Nano S, so no need for Bluetooth either. As nice as it would be to have the latest model, it's not worth the price for me for features I don't need and wouldn't use.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 04:02:40 PM

If you only own just one nano ledger s, would you say its good idea to buy a backup nano ledger s now since the price is already low?

I like having backup wallets in addition to having my seed backed up on paper, and store them in different locations. Having said that, the more wallets you have, the more chance of one of them being discovered or stolen.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 04:02:40 PM

Also are there ppl that buy 2 nano s and keep like half their crypto in each hardwallet wallet... or is that bad idea?

As HCP has said, find out what works for you. Some people duplicate the same wallet across different devices, some split their coins across multiple wallets, some use multiple passphrases, some use multisig, some use a combination of all of these, etc.

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Horses for courses, jerry... ask 10 different people the "best" way to utilise hardware wallets like the Nano S and Nano X and you'll probably get 11 different answers.

Everyone is different, has different requirements and uses their hardware wallets in different ways. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and figure out what exactly you want/need and then investigate the solutions that best fit your requirements. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on February 15, 2020, 03:43:34 PM

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

May i ask how much you paid for the nano ledger s when they had the black friday discount?

The Black Friday discount in 2019 was 30%. In 2018 it was 50%. There is currently a Valetine's deal on for both a Nano X and a Nano S for $119.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

So if you are a frequent traveler, go with the X? But by that, what is meant by it? Like using it in public etc?

The Nano X model has Bluetooth capabilities, so it is easier and more convenient to use on the go with a smartphone.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

Because you can't send btc with your nano ledger s unless you have it connected to a computer only right? Or you could actually connect it to your iphone and that would work as well?

The Nano S is compatible with Android phones via an OTG cable, but iOS won't let the Nano S connect to Apple devices. If you own an iPhone, and would like to pair your hardware wallet with your phone rather than with your laptop, then you will need the Nano X model.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:37:28 PM

Is there a reason its a range of 6 to 10? Do some apps use more which is why?

Yes. Some apps require more space than others. It also depends on which combination of apps you install. Forks of BTC such as LTC and BCH use much of the same code that bitcoin does, and so those sections do not need to be installed twice.

Thanks for the long response.

Wait, but was the nano ledger S price 59.99 before the 30% discount? You say there was a 50% discount in 2018 but this was when the ledger was selling for over 129 dollars right? I got mine in early 2018 at retail price and paid for expedited shipping cost more than 130 at least i believe. Right now the current price for nano ledger s is already so low compared to 2 years ago.

I had no idea you could connect your nano ledger s to a phone but only android phone and not IPHONE. That is insane. But for even traders, do many get the X as oppose to S for this reason?

Thanks for that info on the apps. I mean 6-10 coins is already a good amount. Btw do you have 1 nano ledger s and one X? If you only own just one nano ledger s, would you say its good idea to buy a backup nano ledger s now since the price is already low? I mean 60 dollars before tax/shipping seem so low compared to what i paid years ago. Also are there ppl that buy 2 nano s and keep like half their crypto in each hardwallet wallet... or is that bad idea? Someone in a thread said if a person has like 15 btc which is a ton, they should get 5 wallets and put 3 in each. That seems a bit overboard right?

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Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

May i ask how much you paid for the nano ledger s when they had the black friday discount?

The Black Friday discount in 2019 was 30%. In 2018 it was 50%. There is currently a Valetine's deal on for both a Nano X and a Nano S for $119.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

So if you are a frequent traveler, go with the X? But by that, what is meant by it? Like using it in public etc?

The Nano X model has Bluetooth capabilities, so it is easier and more convenient to use on the go with a smartphone.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:20 PM

Because you can't send btc with your nano ledger s unless you have it connected to a computer only right? Or you could actually connect it to your iphone and that would work as well?

The Nano S is compatible with Android phones via an OTG cable, but iOS won't let the Nano S connect to Apple devices. If you own an iPhone, and would like to pair your hardware wallet with your phone rather than with your laptop, then you will need the Nano X model.

Quote from: jerry0 on February 15, 2020, 03:37:28 PM

Is there a reason its a range of 6 to 10? Do some apps use more which is why?

Yes. Some apps require more space than others. It also depends on which combination of apps you install. Forks of BTC such as LTC and BCH use much of the same code that bitcoin does, and so those sections do not need to be installed twice.

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Okay so right now you can keep 6-10 apps on the nano ledger s. Is there a reason its a range of 6 to 10? Do some apps use more which is why?

So with the black friday/christmas sales, it was possible to get the nano ledger s like 45 dollars? Again the price now is 59.99 and im shocked the price is this low compared to back then.

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Quote from: squatter on January 15, 2020, 02:27:33 AM

Too bad I missed those Black Friday deals.

You definitely missed a good discount for Black Friday (last day they give 35%). Some have already written to you about the benefits of Nano X, and there's not much to add. What I, as the owner of the Nano S and Nano X, can say is that it makes sense to buy a Nano X if you consider that it is a new device with a lot more inertial memory than the S model and that Ledger is likely to base further development on this model.

Don't get me wrong, the Nano S is a pretty good device and serves a purpose, and in the end, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in the safety of your coins.

This is a small review of my Nano X : Ledger Nano X - Review of the package.

May i ask how much you paid for the nano ledger s when they had the black friday discount? On ledger site now, it shows 59.99 for nano ledger s before tax/duty. I got mine about 2 years ago and paid over 130 at least i believe.

Did you get 35% off on the nano ledger x or s? How many do you own? Im shocked nano ledger s is only 59.99 before tax/duty and shipping and seems shipping is free if you don't want it expedited? Also it ships from France right? I recall i ordered it expedited and it came from France 2 years ago.

If you already have a nano ledger s and want a 2nd one, you say always get another nano ledger s as oppose to the x right?

Also people talk about traveling with it. So if you are a frequent traveler, go with the X? But by that, what is meant by it? Like using it in public etc?

Because you can't send btc with your nano ledger s unless you have it connected to a computer only right? Or you could actually connect it to your iphone and that would work as well? I only connect my ledger s nano to my laptop.

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Quote from: squatter on January 14, 2020, 06:39:44 PM

I'm planning to purchase a Ledger to play around with. The only upgrades on the Nano X seem to be capacity (for running more altcoin apps on the same device) and Bluetooth capability. Is that correct?

$59 for the Nano S sounds more reasonable given the lack of new functionality on the Nano X. Are there any other considerations to make?

Based on my research, the Ledger Nano X also has an improved design, since the buttons are now on the front of the device (next to the screen), rather than on the side of it where you fingers can get in the way of the screen.

Also, as far as I'm aware, it uses a USB-C lead rather than MicroUSB, which makes it compatible with most modern phones/tablets without requiring an OTG cable.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on January 17, 2020, 06:52:40 PM

With latest firmware update it looks like that capacity for Ledger Nano S is also larger now...

The latest firmware for Nano S has definitely fixed things regarding the number of coin applications that can be installed at the same time, but Nano X has (according to Ledger) "ten times more available storage" then Nano S. This gives it a great advantage not only in terms of number of applications but also in its further development because it is not limited with storage as S model.

Nano X is the best choice for those who not trust mobile wallets too much or they are scared of some malware, so you can always have coins in a safe environment and make payments on the go without using OTG cable. Although some consider Bluetooth as a potential attack vector, I don't think Ledger makes something that is very easy to hack.

Now when I have both, I have a much greater sense of security on my smartphone than before with Electrum.

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With latest firmware update it looks like that capacity for Ledger Nano S is also larger now,
and Ledger advertises Nano X for traveling and Nano S for home usage.
It would be great to have both, and there where some packages like this as holiday sale.

In any case they sent me 20% discount code valid until Jan 19, 11:59PM CET if anyone wants to use it

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on January 16, 2020, 05:13:42 AM

if anything, using bluetooth could open up new attack vectors---i'm mainly thinking about privacy since the bluetooth stack can transport pubkeys and addresses.

That is what I think as well. There haven't been any issues with the Bluetooth service... yet. That doesn't mean there isn't one that hasn't been discovered yet. So I look at this way. The Bluetooth is one additional security risk, a possible one. I'd rather keep the risks as limited as possible. Sorry if I sound to negative Wink

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Quote from: liberox on January 16, 2020, 04:00:20 PM

Nano S is better for me by security reasons, as I don`t like the wireless feature: it`s too vulnerable point of the X version and will ever be.
Nano X is just more comfortable with the better screen, lights and screen dimentions. However I don`t think they worth the security risk.

to be fair, you can simply disable bluetooth on the nano X and use the USB-C cable instead. you can use it just like a nano S except with the better screen, backlight, IOS device support, etc.

the bluetooth functionality can't compromise private keys, which are still held within the secure element. even if your bluetooth connection were hacked, your consent is still required to sign a malicious transaction.

Quote from: Pmalek on January 16, 2020, 04:36:21 AM

Did they make any significant changes in the secure element and the storage of private keys? Can the new device be considered safer in any way compared to the S model? Does anyone have some more info on that?

still can't find much info about this, but according to this techcrunch article:

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Ledger now uses an ST33 secure element, which is slightly more secure than the previous version ST31. Now, there’s only a single chip, connected directly to the screen and buttons, which reduces the risk of having someone compromise the information on your screen.

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