Topic: LEGAL COURSE of ACTION Discussion --- bASIC / BitcoinASIC - page 7. (Read 21287 times)

You know for a small fee, you can hire someone to pay a visit right?

I dont give a shiet about scammer. But this fcktard will get his family involved with this attitude.

ROFL!!!! OMG I just about joked to death while laughing.

Pirate was a pioneer too by his definition.


My previous post in this thread may be ignored, but worth repeating. This "pioneer" doesn't know how to back up his hot wallet? Doesn't even cross his mind before upgrading to a new client? Come on...

I think we have Tom's latest bullshit posting trends down to a 6 step science:

Step 1:  Claim you are not a scammer, reference online dictionaries for bonus points

Step 2:  State previous BTCFPGA history in hopes of supporting Step 1

Step 3:  Make some vague, borderline retarded excuses as to why you are proving your incompetence regarding project management and/or refunding

Step 4:  Mention BFL and point out already well known delays and flaws..

Step 5:  Reassert / promise that everyone will receive refunds, but give zero details or plans/COAs.. be as vague as possible.

Step 6:  Mention once again how you were some kind of BTC pioneer and are important/vital to this community.

Optional: Chug beers between each step or shots of whiskey..

Rinse/repeat

There's a reason why no one has any idea what's going on.

You stated previously that you weren't using preorder funds to pay for development; that obviously is no longer the case. Given that our money was used to fund the development of the project, many of us had quite a vested interest in it. Handwaving about the blockchain and how you're working pay people back will not get you any respect at this point. If you want to try and regain a measure of respect on here, it really wouldn't be that though.

1. How much money was brought in?
2. How much have you paid back to date?
3. How much is left outstanding?
4. What the hell happened to the project? What milestones were reached, how many chips were ever produced, what were the roadblocks and showstoppers encountered? Basically, what happened to all the money?
5. What assets are left, in any form (IP, test product, etc) that could be liquidated to pay the debt?
6. What is your debt repayment plan? Are you mining for the coin, do you still have fiat left to repay, etc?

Answer those thoroughly and honestly and my opinion of this whole situation would improve drastically, even if the answer is that you still owe a million, there are no more assets and you're mining at 60GH/s to pay everything back. It would at least give people a chance to judge their own likelihood of seeing a refund instead of being strung along.

because you post only "everything is fine, don't worry bullshit"
no answer to mails...



+1


and without the chargebacks? How much % of BTC orders you paid back?
in Number/value



by the way, no refund here

It sounded like you were trying to come up with a way not to pay everyone else back. And it was just lies. You have a history going back long before ASICs where wallet corruption caused problems with you repaying people. You would have figured a long long time ago that you could have figured out how to make a wallet backup. Especially before changing any versions. You can be better than that if you choose to. You're just not making that choice.


Let's see some proof when you make such bold claims. Let's see a list of what you owe. Order numbers and amounts. No personal information. People can make sure their refund is on your to do list. And see if your time lines for paying back are real. But that would make things transparent. It might just be easier to pay back the maddest people and hope that some people have already given up on you refunding them.

That again, would be your choice.

Do the right thing this time.

Tom, your a fucking liar. You lie consistently. You misrepresented bASIC from day one. Why would your refund process be any different? Why the fuck are you not processing refunds in an order? (either date of purchase, or date refund was requested), for you to just arbitrarily choose who gets refunded is pissing alot of people off.

btw all email correspondence i've shared with Tom, just bleeds of arrogance/fuckyou attitude.



...think its fair to assume the 'majority' of his refunds were credit card. 1 million refunded, fuck you Tom. Even you knew you had little choice to refund these type of payments.


where is my btc cablepair?

sorry cablepair, as defined  in "Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged"

scammer [ˈskæmə], scamster
n
Slang a person who perpetrates a scam; swindler

It states nothing about money or 'running'.
For example you could "scam" a beautiful girl into marring you, it has nothing to running or money.

The scam was that you willfully dragged on  the 'proposed' delivery of a non existent product, going so far as to state "you have my ABSOLUTE word that goods will be delivered in March"
Plus there was a complete lack of details once the project took a turn for the worst.

There are more than enough people on these forums that have access to advanced equipment and engineers that could have helped IF you reached out.(I myself have access to advanced chip bonding equipment from Taiwan & Korea...... basically for free)

That is why so many people are pissed, not that the project failed...

I am also still waiting for my refund, albeit not patiently anymore.  With order #280 I was one of your first believers, now I agree with the scammer tag until you work off your debt.

I expect $2169.98 in USD or BTC equivalent as soon as possible.  If you need more details check the order.

People do not understand the costs that were involved while developing the project, and most people who are commenting on things have no idea what the hell is really going on.

I am sorry for my angry post last night and I apologize to anyone I offended, I was upset that I was being portrayed as a scammer when that was never ever my intention.

I have been paying back little by little every Friday because I was making a decent amount of bitcoins a week mining and I was also buying Bitcoins anywhere I could.

After this 0.8 debacle I had to re-download the block chain - right now it says 42073 blocks remaining so hopefully it will not be much longer.

By definition a scammer takes your money and runs. I have not gone anywhere and I am not "sittting" on anyone's money,when we were accepting orders  I was cashing those coins out quite regularly due to the violent nature of Bitcoin (I can't imagine any Bitcoin business that doesn't do this) and this was pre-bubble as well. Now I am in a situation where I have a bunch of angry people who justifiably want their money back. You will get your money back. As soon as this block chain finishes downloading today I will see what I have left and I will make as many payments as I can. I have also been contacted by someone who is willing to sell me a large amount of Bitcoins and I am going to work on a deal with him.

alternatives to payback:

Sure I could file for bankruptcy but I rent the house I live in and drive a 2005 chevy equinox worth maybe 5000.00
(on a good day) so its a much better situation for everyone for me to just pay everyone back,  and although we are prepared to go in that direction it would make much more sense for all parties involved

The percentage of people who have not been refunded versus those who have been refunded is minuscule.

please work with me. I have all the amounts and addresses on a spread sheet, and please when you receive your refund please post to the forum about it so people know that refunds are continuing to be made.

theres really nothing left to say if you want to continue to bash me go ahead, but I will continue to make payments until everyone is paid, that's  really all I can do.

Nah - he should still be classified as a scammer regardless.. I can see the tag being removed or not even placed on him if he would have refunded people within 3 business days of their original request at the current BTC rate at that time (early-mid Jan).. he failed in this aspect along with every other..

what about: scammer tag can get removed when he refunded everyone

, i dont know what is true/false, just that many people including me haven't received their refund

How should you work with someone that does not answer mails? Communication with you is a one way road and your mailbox seems to be a black whole. I did not receive a refund and I have the feeling I will never get a refund from you - but maybe at some point in time you will get what you deserve. I never forget people that are scamming and fucking me.

yes tom use mtgox or send everyone a check and dont send bad check as it would be check fraud.

But could you answer me one ? why didnt you start repayment of btc when you yourself said yuou would why did you wait over a month and a half?

I use 0.8 with my hot wallet and I use 0.8 for my 500++ connection nodes. I have no problem with 0.8 corrupting the wallet and the block storage format is the same on 0.7 and 0.8. No need to download the blockchain again - and no need lie here.

Don't spend your time lying at us. Use the time to pay back our pre-order money.

BTW, with Bitpay you can choose wheter you want the payment converted into Fiat or you diretly get the bitcoins. Getting the bitcoins is cheaper with Bitpay than the conversion into a Fiat currency. Using a blockchain browser you can follow the way of your bitcoins.

Well Tom fucked us customers over and over and he is still fucking us. First he was lying about the ASIC status, then he did not refund the pre-orer money as he always told us and now he sits on our money and let us watch the bitcoin price climbing higher every day. If someone has to be pissed about this it's not Tom, it's the pre-order customers still waiting for their refund!

would love to see my refund cablepair. you stated in an email to me that it would be a friday or the friday after from the date of that email, and 2 fridays have passed since then. the ones who are pissed are people like me who paid you in bitcoin because we had faith in you. i even went so far as to support you and dave on your own btcfpga forums, telling people that bitching you out was a bad idea and isn't helpful to anyone; now i can see i was the idiot for believing in you. the btc i paid you for 3 of your bASIC's would now be worth over $10,000, and you can't even refund me the $2,759.97 i'm owed.

to the people who believe tom had kept the btc from the beginning of preorders, this is highly unlikely, the payment method used at the btcfpga website was bitpay which, if i'm not mistaken, immediately pays off the merchant in USD, not BTC, so tom received USD.  what is extremely likely however, is that tom bought a bunch of coins and continues to mine them as refunds start to go out, and now he's decided to sit on them as value has more than doubled since the start of refunds, so that he doesn't have to pay out as much. my 250ish BTC will probably be more like 50 BTC when and if the refund actually happens, and i'm more inclined to believe that tom is doing this on purpose. tom, you have used up your 'benefit of the doubt' pass. send my refund for orders #894 and #1638 to 1CYZtxqNFNJ4x7RGDCohro3PQuFhV5e9fi

it would cost me less than what you owe me to hire a private investigator and find out where you live. don't make me resort to measures that we'll both regret.

Tom, you owe me $4,309.96.  That is what is says on my receipt.  You do don't need any bitcoins to pay me back.  Mail me a check.  You have my name and address.

Your own words here on this forum are sufficient evidence of scamming.  You took money for a product you could not provide.

+1

Still waiting for that BTC refund too Tom. May I suggest you stop talking trash, refund everyone's BTC as you should already have done, and then work on getting the tag removed?

I'm one of your first bASIC customers (low order number) and did not receive a refund. Pay that damn refund instead of posting bullshit.

This oughta go over well................................